Who is "the god of this world"? God or satan?

[David in NJ]

No, I know the difference. I'm making a point that "God of (something" is God. God of the Aion and God of the Earth is God, not satan. Do you think "god of the Earth" is satan since you think he is god of the world?




The word there is Kosmos not Aion. It's IMPORTANT to learn the difference.



No, do you? God is the God of the world/Aion, not of the world/kosmos.

God is not also the God of the kosmos???

For God so loved the kosmos that HE gave His only Son that whosever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

i know what 'aion' means = which is why the "god of this world" keeps mankind blinded from it.

The kosmos desperately needs Him who is the aion, therefore Satan makes sure that he keeps them blinded to the gospel.

The Only Way to the FATHER is thru the SON and no one comes to the SON unless the FATHER draws them.

Satan knows this and JESUS spoke of this very thing in the parable of the sower - Luke 8:11

Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God = this is 'Aion'
Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word
out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved.

Love you my Brother in Christ

 

[David in NJ]

It is interesting that you use the old KJV in quoting from 1 Cor 13, which is entirely devoted to defining what “LOVE” is...not “charity”. What do most people assume that “charity” means? The same as “love”?

In Greek, the word is “agapē” and if you look up this word in any modern translation, it says “love”, not charity.

It is clear from your posts that you are trying to distance yourself from the false love manifest in Christendom....but the two greatest commandments Jesus said was to “love God with all we have, and to love our neighbor as ourselves”.

What is this “love” that ecumenism promotes then?

Who said "to love God" ???

 

[ewq1938]

God is not also the God of the kosmos???

Sure, here is no statement of God of the Kosmos. We do have God of this Aion, in a passage that mentions God blinding people two times in 9 verses.

For God so loved the kosmos that HE gave His only Son that whosever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.

i know what 'aion' means = which is why the "god of this world" keeps mankind blinded from it.

The kosmos desperately needs Him who is the aion, therefore Satan makes sure that he keeps them blinded to the gospel.

But in 2Cor Paul is speaking of the blinding God does. Satan is never mentioned there.

 

[Ezra]

Sure, here is no statement of God of the Kosmos. We do have God of this Aion, in a passage that mentions God blinding people two times in 9 verses.




But in 2Cor Paul is speaking of the blinding God does. Satan is never mentioned there.

your promoting false doctrine

 

[Aunty Jane]

Who said "to love God" ???

Are you serious? It was part of the Law of Moses....so it was a requirement from Yahweh himself. (Deut 6:5, Luke 10:27) Repeated by God’s Son in answer to a question posed by a man who was versed in the Law. (Luke 10: 25-26)

 

[ewq1938]

your promoting false doctrine

Nope. This is a misunderstood topic and sometimes people reject what goes against their long held, but wrong beliefs.

 

[David in NJ]

Are you serious? It was part of the Law of Moses....so it was a requirement from Yahweh himself. (Deut 6:5, Luke 10:27) Repeated by God’s Son in answer to a question posed by a man who was versed in the Law. (Luke 10: 25-26)

Please post the passage where JESUS said it.

 

[ewq1938]

Please post the passage where JESUS said it.

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

 

[David in NJ]

Mat 22:37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

Thank you Brother

I'm not sure that @Aunty Jane knows this and there is more to the passage which needs examination.

So, my favorite @Aunty Jane, can you please post the entire passage from beginning to end on this "love the Lord thy God"

 

[stevesonthebay]

Doesn't the bible say that God allows satan to rule on the earth until the final judgement. So God has more or less allowed satan to be the ruler. Though ultimately earthly insitutions were installed by God.

I think there are dark forces or principalities that are at work. Not so much gods but spiritually demonic. People can worship these dark forces like they are a god.

Even to the point that the elect can be decieved. So it must be pretty convincing.

I think maybe forces like materialism. They say money is the root of all evil. I think there are worldly ideologies that are like religion that fool people and in this sense they are a spiritual dark force. This makes humans gods or allows them to recreate Gods natural order and Kingdom into a human made one.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Please post the passage where JESUS said it.

Is this a trick question David?

Luke 10:25-28....
“And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.” (NASB)

Thank you Brother

I'm not sure that @Aunty Jane knows this and there is more to the passage which needs examination.

So, my favorite @Aunty Jane, can you please post the entire passage from beginning to end on this "love the Lord thy God"

So what makes you think I don’t know what I write.....over 50 years of intense Bible study doesn’t make for ignorance.....It was part of the Law....I gave you the references.

Don’t play games mate...just tell us your version of things and we can discuss what Scripture actually says, rather than what we think it does....OK?

 

[Ezra]

Nope. This is a misunderstood topic and sometimes people reject what goes against their long held, but wrong beliefs.

no you are in error

 

[amigo de christo]

It is interesting that you use the old KJV in quoting from 1 Cor 13, which is entirely devoted to defining what “LOVE” is...not “charity”. What do most people assume that “charity” means? The same as “love”?

In Greek, the word is “agapē” and if you look up this word in any modern translation, it says “love”, not charity.

It is clear from your posts that you are trying to distance yourself from the false love manifest in Christendom....but the two greatest commandments Jesus said was to “love God with all we have, and to love our neighbor as ourselves”.

What is this “love” that ecumenism promotes then?

ecumenism is cleverly wrapped . FOr it makes cliam we are to LOVE GOD and our neighbor as ourself .
but upon fast examination we see its love will overlook sins and errors
and rather focuses on unity and does so at the expense of Truth .
And if we examine its interreligious dialgoue ,
WE see anti christ . For under the motto that they made cliam they were l oving the false religoins to GOD
THEY LIED to them false religoins and christendom .
THEY made cliam that we all serve the same GOD . WE do so differently , in different ways
And that the christain GOD is no better than the muslim one , or any religon , WE just serving the SAME ONE
differently . THA TWAS of ANTI CHRIST .
AS if i will heed that mess . THEY are simply unifying us all
under a god that is NOT GOD .

 

[soberxp]

ecumenism is cleverly wrapped . FOr it makes cliam we are to LOVE GOD and our neighbor as ourself .
but upon fast examination we see its love will overlook sins and errors
and rather focuses on unity and does so at the expense of Truth .
And if we examine its interreligious dialgoue ,
WE see anti christ . For under the motto that they made cliam they were l oving the false religoins to GOD
THEY LIED to them false religoins and christendom .
THEY made cliam that we all serve the same GOD . WE do so differently , in different ways
And that the christain GOD is no better than the muslim one , or any religon , WE just serving the SAME ONE
differently . THA TWAS of ANTI CHRIST .
AS if i will heed that mess . THEY are simply unifying us all
under a god that is NOT GOD .

Every religion has those who stray from its teachings, so you should focus on what the books actually say, rather than what you perceive the people to be. According to your logic, Christians could be entirely discredited.

If you believe those books are opposed to Jesus Christ, that would only mean...

 

[David in NJ]

Is this a trick question David?

Luke 10:25-28....
“And a lawyer stood up and put Him to the test, saying, “Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?” 26 And He said to him, “What is written in the Law? How does it read to you?” 27 And he answered, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your strength, and with all your mind; and your neighbor as yourself.” 28 And He said to him, “You have answered correctly; do this and you will live.” (NASB)


So what makes you think I don’t know what I write.....over 50 years of intense Bible study doesn’t make for ignorance.....It was part of the Law....I gave you the references.

Don’t play games mate...just tell us your version of things and we can discuss what Scripture actually says, rather than what we think it does....OK?

This passage is from Luke also: 18:20

Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”

Would you include this as part of Luke 10:25-28 ???

 

[amigo de christo]

Every religion has those who stray from its teachings, so you should focus on what the books actually say, rather than what you perceive the people to be. According to your logic, Christians could be entirely discredited.

If you believe those books are opposed to Jesus Christ, that would only mean...

Wanna know what is so odd .
The talmud is to the jew
as is The RCC chactechism . both profess to KNOW GOD
and yet t hrough the precepts of men have led their peoples FAR FROM HIM .
As the mormons and etc . MEN did this . NOT GOD .
The key thing they all have in c ommon
PROFESS TO KNOW HIM but HEART FAR FROM HIM .
and the focus SURE is not on JESUS THE CHRIST , as was pauls and all the apostels .
same the with nar realm and its seven moutains and its blab it and grab it
THEY worship GOD through the precepts of men , THUS ITS ALL IN VAIN
and blasphemy is taught and rebellion preached .
And now the big ol well favored harlot
has cried ecumeincal love and intends to bring the decieved of christendom
as well as teh false religoins HOME to MAMA .
A world religoin that serves a WORLD agenda . ITS ALL a snare
CURSED is the soul whose hope be in men . BLESSED be the one whose hope be IN GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

This passage is from Luke also: 18:20

Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”

Would you include this as part of Luke 10:25-28 ???

Wanna know what is so odd .
The talmud is to the jew
as is The RCC chactechism . both profess to KNOW GOD
and yet t hrough the precepts of men have led their peoples FAR FROM HIM .
As the mormons and etc . MEN did this . NOT GOD .
The key thing they all have in c ommon
PROFESS TO KNOW HIM but HEART FAR FROM HIM .
and the focus SURE is not on JESUS THE CHRIST , as was pauls and all the apostels .
same the with nar realm and its seven moutains and its blab it and grab it
THEY worship GOD through the precepts of men , THUS ITS ALL IN VAIN
and blasphemy is taught and rebellion preached .
And now the big ol well favored harlot
has cried ecumeincal love and intends to bring the decieved of christendom
as well as teh false religoins HOME to MAMA .
A world religoin that serves a WORLD agenda . ITS ALL a snare my friend . .
CURSED is the soul whose hope be in men . BLESSED be the one whose hope be IN GOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

This passage is from Luke also: 18:20

Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”

Would you include this as part of Luke 10:25-28 ???

This people pit the very Words of Christ against HIS OWN words .
And pick and c hoose w hatever twisted version of whatever man they sat under did feed them .
But THIS be the KEY to knowing whether what one teaches Be of GOD or of men .
WHEN one brings scrips but use scrips to imply something THAT CONTRADICTS OTHER THINGS
GOD spoke , CHRIST SPOKE , the prophets and later apostels spoke .
T HEY BE LIARS . GOD aint in the business of using scripture to make void som ething HE said in another place .
BUT I KNOW WHO DOES THAT .
THIS ONE .
CAST thyself off the cliff , FOR it is written HE shall give HIS angels charge over thee lest thou dash thy foot against a stone .
BUT NOTICE TO purposefully cast oneself OFF a cliff , WO ULD BE TO TEMPT THE LORD THY GOD .
SATAN do what many in the churches do . THEY TWIST whatever scrips they bring
TO SUPPORT something NOT T RUE AT ALL . SHEEP heed NO SUCH voices . FOR SHEEP HEED JESUS .

 

[soberxp]

Wanna know what is so odd .
The talmud is to the jew
as is The RCC chactechism . both profess to KNOW GOD
and yet t hrough the precepts of men have led their peoples FAR FROM HIM .
As the mormons and etc . MEN did this . NOT GOD .
The key thing they all have in c ommon
PROFESS TO KNOW HIM but HEART FAR FROM HIM .
and the focus SURE is not on JESUS THE CHRIST , as was pauls and all the apostels .
same the with nar realm and its seven moutains and its blab it and grab it
THEY worship GOD through the precepts of men , THUS ITS ALL IN VAIN
and blasphemy is taught and rebellion preached .
And now the big ol well favored harlot
has cried ecumeincal love and intends to bring the decieved of christendom
as well as teh false religoins HOME to MAMA .
A world religoin that serves a WORLD agenda . ITS ALL a snare
CURSED is the soul whose hope be in men . BLESSED be the one whose hope be IN GOD .

Mark
9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.
9:40 For he that is not against us is on our part.

 

[amigo de christo]

This passage is from Luke also: 18:20

Now a certain ruler asked Him, saying, “Good Teacher, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?”
So Jesus said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good but One, that is, God.
You know the commandments: ‘Do not commit adultery,’ ‘Do not murder,’ ‘Do not steal,’ ‘Do not bear false witness,’ ‘Honor your father and your mother.’ ”

Would you include this as part of Luke 10:25-28 ???

And that my friend is why SHEEP dont heed the ecumeincal cry OF A HARLOT . End of discussion .
They can keep that whores love , the sheep will have no part of that cup . FOR JESUS has the sheep
and no matter the cost , THEY BUY THE TRUTH and SELL HER NOT .
LET GOD be TRUE but every man a liar . And every WORD of GOD BE TRUE . AMEN and forever AMEN:.