WOMEN AREN'T TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN THE CHURCH

[Fred J]

'Women', you're not allowed to 'teach' men, nor practice authority over them and tell them what to do.

We already have the Lord as our 'Head', and He deals with us and guide us to serve here.

And we're are your 'head', and we serve to also decided your lack of knowledge and wisdom based on 2Timothy3:16&17.

But you seem to head on in a 'lawless' direction and in 'vain' justify it using scripture 'out of context', and use wisdom of this world to 'dictate' the scriptures.

Repent and become wise like dear '1st Century Lady', we can get on a peaceful dialog, thank you

For the record, the scripture does not support women speaking in unknown tongues of angels, but only men.

That's one 'red flag' about you serving the Kingdom of GOD in 'lawlessness', and on the other hand 'twist' the scriptures and it's doctrine to fit one's false christianity.

He sends us to 'intervene' now by reminding His given and made teachings in the New Testament.

On the other hand, He only 'intervenes' on that day, which it will be too late, but rather have to be 'departed' from Him for eternity.

It's like the worldly saying, 'When the cat's away, the mouse comes out to play.'

Apparently the 'mouse' are the ones who cause a lot of problems for humans, just imagine the ones in the Kingdom of GOD?

True born again church be not 'deceived' but stick to 2Timothy3:16&17, even in fellowship where iron sharpens iron, before one day it's taken away from us.

Remember, the 'falling away' of the 'false brethren and their churches' shall come first, and betraying one another, since it's going to get harder to stand in faith to your Holy Bible scripture faith.

 

[Fred J]

Whatever language the demonic realm occupants speak in it is not by the power of the Holy Spirit .

Then you should not get close enough to hear what language they are speaking in .

Surely .

All of my prayers are not in tongues . I usually start my prayer in my native tongue and then the Holy Spirit will give the utterance and I pray in tongues . When you pray in tongues the Holy Spirit is praying for exactly what is needed to be prayed for .

The answer was provided by one of God's calling cards he used in the Old Testament ,

Allah is Arabic for God , Arabic Christians use this word . My spelling is a guess so it could the Aramaic Alaha that is said when I speak in tongues .

What Is God In Aramaic? - Christian Website

Usage in Ancient Texts and Inscriptions​

“Alaha” appears frequently in ancient Aramaic texts and inscriptions as the name of the supreme deity. For example, it is attested over 150 times in the Aramaic portions of the biblical books of Ezra and Daniel.

No .

PRAISE GOD ! With the greater gift come the even greater responsibility , pay attention . Gird up your loins .


When I pray in tongues I am alone speaking to God . No one is lead astray , rest easy warrior of God .

Listen, you're in 'lawlessness' with those who support you, the blind leading the blind apparently and justify your 'false' faith.

'Silly', how you can include the 'God' spoken by the false religion out there and refer them as the same as the GOD of the Holy Bible and Christian faith?

How can you know, when you on your own accord decided to become 'shortsighted', hence teach men, practice authority over them and tell them what to do, in 'lawlessness'?

Instead of being wise and learn from the unworthy servant of GOD, but rather you want 'twist' their arm and want them to agree with your 'lawless' faith?

We will only become accountable to the Lord and not you, if we play along with you as fake gentlemen of this world.

As long as we already highlighted the 'lawlessness', even get 'kicked out' from the group', for we 'dust' our feet in warning and come out, as scripturally called?

We will not be 'accountable' anymore, but only 'you', who would without us probably carry on a day or so and one day perish.

Then, until 'on that day' when we'll all meet Him face to face, and many will 'brag' to Him in vain even, and the respond we already know beforehand and why, period

 

[talons]

We will not be 'accountable' anymore, but only 'you', who would without us probably carry on a day or so and one day perish.

Excuse me , is that a threat ?

 

[Fred J]

Excuse me , is that a threat ?

Is to you sadly being 'shortsighted' to the Lord's teaching in the New Testament, and apparently 'threatening' me rather in respond.

Scripturally, it's 'a reminder' and 'stir up of memory' to those who claim to be born and again believer and disciple in All Scripture = Holy Bible.

 

[quietthinker]

WOMEN AREN'T TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN THE CHURCH​

Are we really going to regulate what people think and say?

 

[quietthinker]

CAN YOU SPEAK IN TONGUES?
Every day, mostly in English.....haven't you noticed?

 

[Fred J]

Excuse me , is that a threat ?

Luke 12:16-20

This parable teaches us that GOD anytime may require our life as believers too, and have we repented from our 'lawlessness' today?

 

[Fred J]

1 Corinthians ch. 14, speaks about men speaking in unknown tongues of angels with 'interpretation', 2 or 3 at a time, 'indoor' of a congregation.

(men elders and man of GOD on the 'floor' will 'judge', one's gift and capability whether in-line with the All Scripture=Holy Bible, while one utter 'in tongues', 'in prayer' or 'in prophesying', vs. 29end)

Why 'indoor'?

Because it also reads, that strangers and unbelievers do 'walk in' during the church proceedings.

Likewise ch. 11, 'indoor' woman (not women), is allowed to pray for and prophesy to (equal with man), the congregation, provided with a 'covering' over their head.

'Covering' is to honor one's 'head', vs. 5, and because of the 'angels' who are 'witnessing', vs. 10.

The scripture doesn't support woman praying in unknown tongues of angels given to men, therefore they can pray in tongues of men.

Languages that they're fluent and understand based on the people, or include an 'interpreter' to assist them.

Most importantly, provided a 'woman' men elders and man of GOD have 'judged' and 'allowed' to speak in their congregation.

'Outdoor' is like the 'gift' the Apostles received on the day of Pentecost, to proclaim the Gospel and make disciples, and baptize them.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ, we're for you and not against you, beloved in Christ.

 

[Hillsage]

I'm allowed to ask a question, and I'm not in church so answer the question. And more to the point, I'm asking it of a child. Women are allowed to teach children, male or female. So to you who are very immature in the fruit of the Spirit, what do you think 1 Corinthians 14:22 means regarding tongues being a sign to unbelievers, not believers?

I pray dear Lady in the Lord (as well as an elderly sister to this elderly brother. ; that I may share with you what God revealed to me, for I did not hear it from a THEOLOGIAN at all. But maybe it is in your book which I have not read. That too would be so....GOD!!!

First off, your question above contains a word which is not in the verse you quoted, but it is very important in relation to what was revealed to me. You said "unbelievers". but the verse says "them that believe not". That is the biblical question God asked me when I was reading the next verse of your text.

1CO 14:22 Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

The Lord asked me; 'Those who "believe not" or "do believe", IN WHAT?'
"I don't know Lord......silence.....I guess I'll read on."

23* If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

That was when God revealed what I now believe; "THE WHOLE CHURCH" of Corinth was a 100% tongue talking church in which ALL could SPEAK WITH TONGUES. They were a church planted by Paul and we know from scripture Paul asked some believers first thing;

"Did you receivelambano/take from) the holy ghost (power not the person of the Holy Spirit) when you first believed?

Now the above verse from the DIRT translation; "Did you take holy power from the Holy Spirit that gives it, after you first believed for the new birth of your spirit into the holy spirit of Christ in you?"

The DIRT translation above is something that never even happens in a Pentecostal or Charismatic church today. Paul didn't even ask if they got water baptized first. That' how important this spiritual gift is. Making it number two on the Satan's list, for his devils to rob you of.

But let's deal more spiritually than any usually do. In verse 23 we have 3 groups of people.
100% tongue talking church, or 'SPIRITUALLY GIFTED' then we have "UNBELIEVERS" and those who are "UNLEARNED".
The Greek word for "UNBELIEVERS" is apistos which means without Christian faith or heathens
The Greek word for "UNLEARNED" is idiotes: a private person, i.e. (by impl.) an ignoramus (comp. "idiot")

Those are the three choices from Paul.

If already answered somewhere in these thousands of conversations, it is very unloving of you to require of me to search for them. This is a hard question seemingly as there are few who know the answer. And when they don't, especially men, they detract, distract, and attack, especially to women they believe they are better than.

I'm defend women and call out the idiotes.

 

[Fred J]

Why would you limit God to your opinion? Or even limit Him to what is written? So long as they're no contradiction to righteous principles previously established, God can do whatever and work Bieber He thinks best in any given situation. Especially when people's souls are at stake.

Anyway, besides all that, I see no contradiction between the modern experience and what took place in Jerusalem.

FYI - IF IT IS NOT BIBLICAL 2TIMOTHY3:16&17, AND SINCE HE'S THE SAME YESTERDAY, TODAY AND FOREVER, THEN IT IS FROM THE 'OTHERSIDE'!

'The god of this world have blinded the minds of unbelievers'

'Even satan disguises himself as an angel of Light and it's not surprising that his servants disguises themselves as servants of righteousness.'

Apostle Paul (even the other Apostles are aware), is referring to the 'false brethren' of his time, also claim to represent the Kingdom of GOD as well.

Even Jesus said, 'After Me there'll come false messiahs, false teachers and false prophets.'

Also it is written, 'Get thee behind Me, satan: thou art an offense unto Me: for thou savourest not the things that be of GOD, but those that be of men'

Together, 'But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of Heaven against me: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.'

'Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for yea compass the sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.'

Finally, 'Quench not the Spirit.'

To these we've been discipled with after becoming born again, also together acts as 'a reminder' and 'a stir up of our memory', in our journey working out our salvation in fear and trembling.

 

[Fred J]

23* If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?

That was when God revealed what I now believe; "THE WHOLE CHURCH" of Corinth was a 100% tongue talking church in which ALL could SPEAK WITH TONGUES. They were a church planted by Paul and we know from scripture Paul asked some believers first thing;

Yes, it was in utter madness and lawlessness, and 'the context' is using the gifts lawfully and in charity, and read carefully, who and what is 'prohibited' as well.

Women want to go back to the time of immature wild, madness, lawlessness era, and have not learned a lesson and decree implemented by the Kingdom.

Even want to 'modify' it even better than they did, thinking it'll please GOD, be that 'idiots'.

Our time is done explaining over and over again to 'heart-hardened' souls, originated from teaching for doctrine the commandments of men denomination.

 

[soberxp]

'Women', you're not allowed to 'teach' men, nor practice authority over them and tell them what to do.

We already have the Lord as our 'Head', and He deals with us and guide us to serve here.

Do you think it because of eve?
Do you think The "women" here means the Church?
Do you think "men" here means the head of the church which is the Jesus Christ?

 

[Fred J]

Do you think it because of eve?

No, because of Eve and her 'seed', women have become born again as also 'child' of GOD.

Do you think The "women" here means the Church?

Yes, the born again 'women' who are with us men in the church, even married, the body of Christ is referring to.

Do you think "men" here means the head of the church which is the Jesus Christ?

No, born again men or husbands are the immediate 'head' of born again women in church or the body of Christ.

And Christ is the 'Head' of all born again men from Heaven, and Christ through all born again men, even husbands, also the very 'Head' over all born again women.

Finally, the 'HEAD' of Christ and His body, the church of born again men and women, is GOD the FATHER who art in Heaven.

So we're bringing to the 'table' and 'presenting' what is 'overall' from our 'HEAD', through the 'Head' Christ over His body the church, for orderly conduct and not lawless.

Just because we born again men are 'head' over born again women doesn't mean our 'tasks' is easy.

For He require of us more and we are accountable for greater judgement, and women are spiritually our 'backbone', even praying and fasting for us.

That's why He made it simple for you to serve scripturally and spiritually, and not much is expected of you born again women.

But 'overall' He sees us 'equally' beloved and have no favorites.

 

[soberxp]

No, because of Eve and her 'seed', women have become born again as also 'child' of GOD.

Yes, the born again 'women' who are with us men in the church, even married, the body of Christ is referring to.

No, born again men or husbands are the immediate 'head' of born again women in church or the body of Christ.

And Christ is the 'Head' of all born again men from Heaven, and Christ through all born again men, even husbands, also the very 'Head' over all born again women.

Finally, the 'HEAD' of Christ and His body, the church of born again men and women, is GOD the FATHER who art in Heaven.

So we're bringing to the 'table' and 'presenting' what is 'overall' from our 'HEAD', through the 'Head' Christ over His body the church, for orderly conduct and not lawless.

Just because we born again men are 'head' over born again women doesn't mean our 'tasks' is easy.

For He require of us more and we are accountable for greater judgement, and women are spiritually our 'backbone', even praying and fasting for us.

That's why He made it simple for you to serve scripturally and spiritually, and not much is expected of you born again women.

But 'overall' He sees us 'equally' beloved and have no favorites.

I'm sorry, I feel that you have an intolerance for male chauvinism.

Do you think this is because of Eve?
You refer to the seed of eve, Strongly implies that it includes men.


Do you think "woman" here refers to the Church?
In the Bible, the church is the bride of Christ.so why not the women here not refers to the Church.or the women here means the church.

Do you think "man" here refers to the head of the Church, that is, Jesus Christ?
Why you refer the men here is not Jesus Christ, but born again human.

The three primary Hebrew words that are always plural in form (plurale tantum) despite often representing singular concepts are Mayim, Shamayim, Panim These words use the masculine plural suffix -im and require plural adjective agreement.

• Mayim (מים): Water - always treated as a plural noun.
• Shamayim (שמים): Sky or Heavens - appears over 400 times in the Bible, never in singular.
• Panim (פנים): Face - refers to the face as a whole, but is grammatically plural.

 

[Fred J]

Do you think it because of eve?
Do you think The "women" here means the Church?
Do you think "men" here means the head of the church which is the Jesus Christ?

That's why in the first place, every born again women must be disciple like us spiritually and come in-line according to 2Timothy3:16&17.

Then we're 'united' in 'oneness' and 'togetherness', where scripturally men orderly conduct in their position and women orderly conduct in their position as the one body of Christ unto every good works.

Scripturally and logically even looking at a human body, the head, eyes, mouth and ears cannot function on it's own, without the hands and legs.

Apparently, it's a 'crippled', 'disorderly' and 'dysfunctional' body GOD cannot use for HIS Kingdom, therefore we're a 'divided' body 'parts' of Christ, each doing our own thing in 'lawlessness'.

 

[Fred J]

I'm sorry, I feel that you have an intolerance for male chauvinism.

Do you think this is because of Eve?
You refer to the seed of eve, Strongly implies that it includes men.


Do you think "woman" here refers to the Church?
In the Bible, the church is the bride of Christ.so why not the women here not refers to the Church.or the women here means the church.

Do you think "man" here refers to the head of the Church, that is, Jesus Christ?
Why you refer the men here is not Jesus Christ, but born again human.

The three primary Hebrew words that are always plural in form (plurale tantum) despite often representing singular concepts are Mayim, Shamayim, Panim These words use the masculine plural suffix -im and require plural adjective agreement.

• Mayim (מים): Water - always treated as a plural noun.
• Shamayim (שמים): Sky or Heavens - appears over 400 times in the Bible, never in singular.
• Panim (פנים): Face - refers to the face as a whole, but is grammatically plural.

Therefore, you want to teach born again men, practice authority over them and tell them what to do, i get it.

i was 'fooled', but apparently you're 'fox' in 'sheep clothing', and now am well aware of that.

Jesus did disciple us born again men, "You will know them by their fruit."

 

[soberxp]

Therefore, you want to teach born again men, practice authority over them and tell them what to do, i get it.

i was 'fooled', but apparently you're 'fox' in 'sheep clothing', and now am well aware of that.

Jesus did disciple us born again men, "You will know them by their fruit."

So you don't understand the the church is the the bride of Christ.
That means the Jesus Christ is the husband of church, not anyman,nor any woman.
That means the church is wife of the Jesus Christ.

Paul here never means you and your husband...

 

[Fred J]

So you don't understand the the church is the the bride of Christ.
That means the Jesus Christ is the husband of church, not anyman,nor any woman.
That means the church is wife of the Jesus Christ.

Paul here never means you and your husband...

First of all do understand what is 'allegory'?

Second, why Apostle Paul the 'instrument' of Jesus Christ, in his epistles to the 'bride', separate the 'tasks', even mentioning 'men' and 'women' their 'duties'?

In your 'fallacy' being 'haughty' and 'wise in your own conceit', quoting scripture out of context, can it 'nullify' what we've ministered and witnessed 'in context' about women in church, even men?

 

[Fred J]

So you don't understand the the church is the the bride of Christ.
That means the Jesus Christ is the husband of church, not anyman,nor any woman.
That means the church is wife of the Jesus Christ.

Paul here never means you and your husband...

Even you quote scripture to what is up there, is still you're out of context reasoning.

 

[soberxp]

First of all do understand what is 'allegory'?

Second, why Apostle Paul the 'instrument' of Jesus Christ, in his epistles to the 'bride', separate the 'tasks', even mentioning 'men' and 'women' their 'duties'?

In your 'fallacy' being 'haughty' and 'wise in your own conceit', quoting scripture out of context, can it 'nullify' what we've ministered and witnessed 'in context' about women in church, even men?

If you are a male and bron again, you still never be the head of the church, only Jesus Christ.
Understand?you always be the church part.