Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[PS95]

Who said he had sin? It’s obvious you don’t have the foggiest clue. You ran off on an assumed tangent without asking a single clarifying question.

Have another go! but this time, learn how to communicate.

huh? I said He needed NO REDEEMER and HE IS OUR REDEEMER. You claimed He needed to be redeemed. That is DEAD WRONG! If you want to play games you can play alone. As usual- you and you ilk ignore all the scriptures posted to you and divert!
I'm done with you once again.

 

[soberxp]

No biblical word can be translated to Jesus. No one knows where the word Jesus came from. It's first appeared in the 17th century. Iesous translates to English word healer....Besides all that, do you think that Yeshua's Jewish mother would give Him a Greek name? LOL There are no J's in the scriptures and the Names of God the Father and God the Son do not appear in our Bibles.

YHWH is not Yahweh's name but it is the pronunciation of His name. And they took that out too 6,800 times and replaced it with the words God or Lord or both. Do you think that Yahweh did not want his name spoken? Respected yes, but do you think you can find a scripture where Yahweh said He did not want His name spoken?

In the Bible, angels do not directly give Jesus a new name, but when announcing Jesus' birth to Mary and Joseph, **they explicitly instructed the name of Jesus and its meaning**:

1. **Luke 1:31**
The angel Gabriel said to Mary:
"You will conceive and give birth to a son, and you are to call him **Jesus** (Ἰησοῦς, Yeshua)."
The name "Jesus" in Hebrew is **Yeshua (יֵשׁוּעַ)**, meaning **"Yahweh is salvation"** or "Yahweh saves."

2. **Matthew 1:21**
The angel appeared to Joseph in a dream and said:
"You are to give him the name **Jesus**, because he will save his people from their sins."
Here again, the **redemptive mission** of the name "Jesus" is emphasized.

3. **Isaiah 9:6** (Old Testament prophecy)
Although this is not a direct account of an angel giving a name, the prophet Isaiah prophesied titles for the Messiah:
"For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called: **Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace**."
These are **honorific titles** describing Jesus' identity, not names themselves.

**Summary:**
In the Bible, angels instructed that Jesus' name is **"Jesus,"** and explained its meaning and redemptive mission. Additionally, there are many titles for Jesus in the Bible (such as "Christ," "Son of Man," "Immanuel," etc.), but the name **"Jesus"** was directly revealed by the angels.


I remember in the other version, the name is another word Emmanuel? If I remember or spell the word right.....

Emmanuel means the God with Jesus, cuz God not with anyone or any man only Jesus.

 

[Hiddenthings]

huh? I said He needed NO REDEEMER and HE IS OUR REDEEMER. You claimed He needed to be redeemed. That is DEAD WRONG! If you want to play games you can play alone. As usual- you and you ilk ignore all the scriptures posted to you and divert!
I'm done with you once again.

Man, you did it again! - it's like watching a child try to work out a puzzle for the first time.

No question asked
No clue!

Amazing - I wonder if you can get it right the third time!

 

[PS95]

If you fully understand the verse you quote.

WHO is the Word of God?
If the only answer, Jesus Christ, is not included.
The image of God is the word of God.

It took 5 times asking before you could admit that Jesus is the WORD OF GOD? Bravo.
Now read what the scriptures say- and answer me.

2 Peter 3:5-7
5For when they maintain this, they willfully forget that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water.
WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD?

PSALM 33
6By the word of YHWH the heavens were made,

And by the breath of His mouth all their hosts.

7He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap;

He puts the depths in storehouses.

8Let all the earth fear the LORD;

Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him.

9For He spoke, and it was done;

He commanded, and it stood firm.

WHO SPOKE in v 9? THE WORD--- see verse 6.


Heb 11:3
By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.


Again- WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD?
John 1:1,3 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
ALL THINGS WERE MADE through Him and without HIM NOTHING was made that was made.

WHO is the Word of God?

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@PS95

Here it is again.

To prove this point we must see who it was who secured eternal redemption!

Hebrews 9:12 He entered once for all into the holy places, not by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption.

The issue for the Christian is this: they should ask themselves, ‘Why did Jesus need redeeming, and from what?’ Yet most have never even opened that door. If they knew the answer, they would certainly want to take part in it.

 

[PS95]

@PS95

Here it is again.

To prove this point we must see who it was who secured eternal redemption!

Hebrews 9:12 He entered once for all into the holy places, not by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption.

The issue for the Christian is this: they should ask themselves, ‘Why did Jesus need redeeming, and from what?’ Yet most have never even opened that door. If they knew the answer, they would certainly want to take part in it.

You are woefully misled. It does not say Jesus needed redeeming. That's your evil twist because you ignore all of the other scriptures I just gave you. He secured OUR eternal salvation. sheesh!

 

[Hiddenthings]

Basically what @PS95 is proving without realizing it is they have never asked that question and never opened the door to find out.

So how can PS95 take part in this eternal redemption which Jesus secured by the offering of his own blood if they don't know?

It's “unwitting confirmation”, and I bet they won't persist because of pride!

 

[soberxp]

It took 5 times asking before you could admit that Jesus is the WORD OF GOD? Bravo.
Now read what the scriptures say- and answer me.

2 Peter 3:5-7
5For when they maintain this, they willfully forget that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water.
WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD?

PSALM 33
6By the word of YHWH the heavens were made,

And by the breath of His mouth all their hosts.

7He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap;

He puts the depths in storehouses.

8Let all the earth fear the LORD;

Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him.

9For He spoke, and it was done;

He commanded, and it stood firm.

WHO SPOKE in v 9? THE WORD--- see verse 6.


Heb 11:3
By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.


Again- WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD?
John 1:1,3 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
ALL THINGS WERE MADE through Him and without HIM NOTHING was made that was made.

WHO is the Word of God?

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Was means past tense.

WHO is the Word of God?
If the only answer, Jesus Christ, is not included.
The image of God is the word of God.

 

[Hiddenthings]

The Jews consistently took this approach when Jesus was teaching them. They jumped to conclusions and then boiled with anger when he rebuked them. Instead of asking questions to learn, they immediately assumed they already knew and condemned him in their own ignorance.

 

[PS95]

If a person is going to define themselves as Christian...
then he must adhere, at the very least, to the basic Christian tenets.

I find it problematic that a person can call themselves a Christian and yet believe that Jesus is not God,,,
which, basically, would be idolatry...

And why would anyone want to follow a man who thought He was God?

So why do we debate the Trinity on these forums?

I found the following on my feed from YouTube.
Sorry, I don't know how to cut.

Wes Huff perfectly explains and supports my position.
Not because Christianity requires Wes Huff to explain its belief system...
It's been there all along - from the beginning.

Mike Winger and Wes Huff
Point 35.15

If a person reads thru this thread.. It appears that the answer to your question is NO.
Just look at the nonsense the trinity debaters for a living post! It's as if they can't read. They are clearly spiritually discerned about many things!
This thread is very revealing and I haven't even read most of it. the things they come out with shows clearly who their daddy still is. There is no regeneration or illumination at all. It's like we are fighting wild beasts. They ignore, deflect, twist, and accuse- and that about sums it up.

 

[Hiddenthings]

@PS95



Let me help you PS.

Why don't you ask me what he needed redeeming from?

You say nothing BUT what do the Apostles say?

 

[Hiddenthings]

@PS95 you can ask a friend if you want

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Wrangler

PS95 is having a hard time understanding it was Jesus himself who secured eternal redemption and did so through the offering of his own blood.

Hebrews 9:12 He entered once for all into the holy places, not by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption.

‘Why did Jesus need redeeming, and from what?’

PS said Jesus did not secure eternal redemption
PS said Jesus did not need redeeming from anything

He has tried 3 times to answer and in none of them is the question "what did Jesus need redeeming from?

 

[soberxp]

If a person reads thru this thread.. It appears that the answer to your question is NO.
Just look at the nonsense the trinity debaters for a living post! It's as if they can't read. They are clearly spiritually discerned about many things!
This thread is very revealing and I haven't even read most of it. the things they come out with shows clearly who their daddy still is. There is no regeneration or illumination at all. It's like we are fighting wild beasts. They ignore, deflect, twist, and accuse- and that about sums it up.

If God said go and have children with your wife and husband.
Is it means go and have children with your wife and husband a part of God?

 

[PS95]

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Was means past tense.

Of course John wrote it in past tense. He had come in the flesh by then and risen. duh. He became flesh-- why would John still call Him the Word and not use the name given when he was born on the earth? How stupid is this? are you saying Jesus is no longer the WORD OF GOD? In Revelation He is still called, the Word of God.
Same yesterday- today and forever.

WHO is the Word of God?
If the only answer, Jesus Christ, is not included.

Jesus is the only right answer of course. See scriptures below. The Word of God spoke all things into existence. All thing were created through God's utterances- by THE WORD.- The WORD OF GOD- WHO IS GOD. The WORD became flesh and dwelt among us. we call Him Jesus- the Word of God. There is one CREATOR. The Word was with God and was God.

The image of God is the word of God.

Jesus Christ is the Word of God. He always was and always will be.

2 Peter 3:5-7
5For when they maintain this, they willfully forget that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water.
WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD?

PSALM 33
6By the word of YHWH the heavens were made,

And by the breath of His mouth all their hosts.

7He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap;

He puts the depths in storehouses.

8Let all the earth fear the LORD;

Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him.

9For He spoke, and it was done;

He commanded, and it stood firm.

WHO SPOKE in v 9? THE WORD--- see verse 6.


Heb 11:3
By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.


Again- WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD?
John 1:1,3 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
ALL THINGS WERE MADE through Him and without HIM NOTHING was made that was made.

WHO is the Word of God?

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

 

[PS95]

@Wrangler

PS95 is having a hard time understanding it was Jesus himself who secured eternal redemption and did so through the offering of his own blood.

Hebrews 9:12 He entered once for all into the holy places, not by the blood of goats and calves, but by His own blood, thus securing eternal redemption.

‘Why did Jesus need redeeming, and from what?’

PS said Jesus did not secure eternal redemption
PS said Jesus did not need redeeming from anything

He has tried 3 times to answer and in none of them is the question "what did Jesus need redeeming from?

I have no idea why I bother with you anymore. Can you read? I have told you that Jesus needed no redeeming. That is not what that is saying. Get a grip! lol Read the REST of the scriptures. I gave you a few-- you ignored them. This conversation is over because it is so stupid..
and Wrangler? Oh yeah my old buddy who says Jesus lied a lot.. Maybe that's what Jesus needed to be redeemed from...

 

[soberxp]

Of course John wrote it in past tense. He had come in the flesh by then and risen. duh. He became flesh-- why would John still call Him the Word and not use the name given when he was born on the earth? How stupid is this? are you saying Jesus is no longer the WORD OF GOD? In Revelation He is still called, the Word of God.
Same yesterday- today and forever.

Jesus is the only right answer of course. See scriptures below. The Word of God spoke all things into existence. All thing were created through God's utterances- by THE WORD.- The WORD OF GOD- WHO IS GOD. The WORD became flesh and dwelt among us. we call Him Jesus- the Word of God. There is one CREATOR. The Word was with God and was God.



Jesus Christ is the Word of God. He always was and always will be.

2 Peter 3:5-7
5For when they maintain this, they willfully forget that by the word of God the heavens existed long ago and the earth was formed out of water and by water, 6through which the world at that time was destroyed by being flooded with water.
WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD?

PSALM 33
6By the word of YHWH the heavens were made,

And by the breath of His mouth all their hosts.

7He gathers the waters of the sea together as a heap;

He puts the depths in storehouses.

8Let all the earth fear the LORD;

Let all the inhabitants of the world stand in awe of Him.

9For He spoke, and it was done;

He commanded, and it stood firm.

WHO SPOKE in v 9? THE WORD--- see verse 6.


Heb 11:3
By faith we understand that the universe was created by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out of things that are visible.


Again- WHO IS THE WORD OF GOD?
John 1:1,3 In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
ALL THINGS WERE MADE through Him and without HIM NOTHING was made that was made.

WHO is the Word of God?

15He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. 16For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him. 17He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together. 18He is also head of the body, the church; and He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He Himself will come to have first place in everything. 19For it was the Father’s good pleasure for all the fullness to dwell in Him, 20and through Him to reconcile all things to Himself, having made peace through the blood of His cross; through Him, I say, whether things on earth or things in heaven.

If you still think about the word of God means the Jesus Christ is the God,then
God made man in his own image already failed..

Because God couldn't made any man in his own image. If you think Jesus Christ is God.

God becomes a loser in your theory.

 

[PS95]

If you still think about the word of God means the Jesus Christ is the God,then
God made man in his own image already failed..

Because God couldn't made any man in his own image.

well I'm glad you cleared that mud up.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I have no idea why I bother with you anymore. Can you read? I have told you that Jesus needed no redeeming.

You are wrong but you don't know why you are wrong.

That is not what that is saying. Get a grip! lol Read the REST of the scriptures. I gave you a few-- you ignored them. This conversation is over because it is so stupid..
and Wrangler? Oh yeah my old buddy who says Jesus lied a lot.. Maybe that's what Jesus needed to be redeemed from...

Ah now whose playing games! Stay on theme PS95.

What did Jesus need redeeming from?

 

[Grailhunter]

I just told you how it was translated! It's called history. Yes we do know! what is your problem? lol
Mary did not give Him a Greek name-- How can you ask that? Yeshua has no J- no kidding! Jesus is a TRANSLATION FROM LATIN.
This is some very convoluted thinking. Have you been drinking or something? I've never read anything from you like this.

I never said YHWH was a pronunciation. Where do you get this stuff? I said it is the tetagrammaton!
Jesus never once taught us to use any pronunciation of the tetragram nor did He use it when He spoke of His Father or when he prayed to Him.
That ought to tell you something.
There is salvation in no one else/ according to scripture---
Jesus is the only name needed= according to scripture-
and if you think I am saying that all you need to say is a name- then you had better rethink!
It's not about pronunciations. Good grief.
NAME means WHO HE IS and WHAT He Does and Did and Will do.
Ex 3

I get it from the Bible and college.
And the word Jesus does not appear in the scriptures.
No J's in the scriptures.....Yob Yoshua Yericho, they are all Y's
Easy enough to look this stuff up