Lost Utilities

[2bme]

None of us can really say
What is intended by nature
Because we are subject's
In this wondrous universe
Of such order of magnitude
That to even assume we know
Is the greatest of all insults
Against whatever this designer
Has actually intended for life
To understand it's intentions
Without being what it isn't.

 

[Matthias]

The designer’s book covers it.

 

[2bme]

The designer’s book covers it.

Which doesn't even know it's own universe which it created for you to believe in.

 

[Matthias]

Which doesn't even know it's own universe which it created for you to believe in.

You know what the designer’s book says.



Do you remember the first article of the Apostles’ Creed?

 

[Riven]

Which doesn't even know it's own universe which it created for you to believe in.

They also didn't know about the dinosaurs. You get folks like Ken Ham trying to shoehorn them into a literal interpretation of the Noah's Ark story and Genesis. He claims that even the big dinos, like T-Rex, were vegetarian back then, and that's how they coexisted with humans.

 

[2bme]

You know what the designer’s book says.

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Do you remember the first article of the Apostles’ Creed?

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Like I said: The Bible isn't very reliable source book for knowing the universe.

 

[Matthias]

Like I said: The Bible isn't very reliable source book for knowing the universe.

The Bible isn’t a science textbook. Nevertheless, it tells us something about the universe, the designer / creator, and his purpose.

 

[2bme]

The Bible isn’t a science textbook. Nevertheless, it tells us something about the universe, the designer / creator, and his purpose.

If the the Bible isn't scientific in assisting us to understanding how the natural world functions. How then can we best utilise our essential beliefs in matters that require another kind of enquiry. You don't think the keyboard you are relying on to type the letters out you need are designed around a belief based process?

 

[Matthias]

If the the Bible isn't scientific in assisting us to understanding how the natural world functions. How then can we best utilise our essential beliefs in matters that require another kind of enquiry. You don't think the keyboard you are relying on to type the letters out you need are designed around a belief based process?

Scientists.

 

[Riven]

Scientists.

 

[Matthias]

 

[Riven]

 

[Matthias]

 

[rockytopva]

What is intended by nature... If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Plasma (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff... Nature therefore is a product of the eternities. Mass can dissociate into plasma... Plasma can reassociate into mass... In dealing with eternity there could have been trillions of big bangs before what is called the big bang for all we know. There could have been so many big bangs that they were impossible to count.

A Big Bang - And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. - Genesis 1:3

Another Big Bang - The heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff... All mass is basically cooled plasma

Atoms - Encapsulated forms of energy and light - C2 in the denominator makes for the potential of a lot of energy!
Cells - Trillions of atoms within a single cell
Body - Trillions of cells in a human body

It would take quite the mind to create living organisms out of plasma energy. And then to see such a variety arising out of the crust of the earth. Not only living organisms but such a variety of organic and non-organic chemistries.

What is intended by nature... Just by the reality around us a great deal of variety!

 

[2bme]

What is intended by nature... If E = mc2 then we can divide and conclude that...

Mass (m) = Plasma (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff... Nature therefore is a product of the eternities. Mass can dissociate into plasma... Plasma can reassociate into mass... In dealing with eternity there could have been trillions of big bangs before what is called the big bang for all we know. There could have been so many big bangs that they were impossible to count.

A Big Bang - And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. - Genesis 1:3

Another Big Bang - The heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff... All mass is basically cooled plasma

Atoms - Encapsulated forms of energy and light - C2 in the denominator makes for the potential of a lot of energy!
Cells - Trillions of atoms within a single cell
Body - Trillions of cells in a human body

It would take quite the mind to create living organisms out of plasma energy. And then to see such a variety arising out of the crust of the earth. Not only living organisms but such a variety of organic and non-organic chemistries.

What is intended by nature... Just by the reality around us a great deal of variety!

I think the creation of our universe is better explained with this model.

 

[Riven]

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I think the creation of our universe is better explained with this model.

It still doesn't explain why the universe exists.

 

[2bme]

It still doesn't explain why the universe exists.

We're not supposed to know. Otherwise how would you want to keep learning and growing?

 

[rockytopva]

Most of chemistry of the earth is in the form of silicon and oxygen. What would I know to do with the stuff save make sand castles? If I were instructed to create living organisms with that kind of chemistry my reply would be I have no idea. Again...

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2) --- Making this eternal stuff... All mass is basically cooled plasma

Atoms - Encapsulated forms of energy and light - C2 in the denominator makes for the potential of a lot of energy!
Cells - Trillions of atoms within a single cell
Body - Trillions of cells in a human body

The proposition of life is a complicated one!

 

[Wrangler]

None of us can really say
What is intended by nature

Sure we can, 100%.

Nature is reality. It has no intent. It just is.

Against whatever this designer
Has actually intended for life
To understand it's intentions

The designer is not an it but a person. A male person. We know this by two means.

1. Despite our man-hating society, what separates a male from a female is that a male creates life. Men create life. Women give birth.
2. The other way we know the designer is a person, a male person, is HE told us in HIS book.

• Genesis 1:5 And God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.”
• Ex 20: 2 “I am Yahweh your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of a house of slavery,
• Ex 20:3 “you must not have any other gods besides me.

You are confusing the Creator with his Creation.

 

[Wrangler]

Gained utility, from today's devotional reading. 1 Timothy 4:8-9 (CEV)
8-9 As the saying goes,

“Exercise is good
for your body,
but religion helps you
in every way.
It promises life
now and forever.”
These words are worthwhile and should not be forgotten.