THE GOSPEL AND HEALING

[Doug]

Jesus did say clearly that He would rise on the third day, and He explained it more than once. Here are the key verses, straight and clear (ASV).

Mark 8:31 (ASV)


Matthew 16:21 (ASV)


Luke 9:22 (ASV)


Jesus connects the “three days” to prophecy

Matthew 12:40 (ASV)


After the resurrection, Jesus reminds them He already said this

Luke 24:46 (ASV)


So the record is clear:
Jesus did not just predict death and resurrection in general.
He specifically said He would rise on the third day, and He said it before it happened.

I didnt say Jesus didnt tell them he would die and rise the third day I SAID HE DIDNT SAY WHY. HE DIDNT SAY WHAT HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION WOULD ACCOMPLISH

 

[LoveYeshua]

Jesus was only telling them he would be crucified and rise again. Jesus didnt say what it would accomplish. People know of the death and resurrection for salvation and read into verses like this. Just read what it says not what you want it to say. Jesus didnt say and after this is accomplished you will preach my death and resurrection for salvation.

Doug, the point is that Jesus Himself explained why He would die and rise. He didn’t just predict the event; He connected it to God’s plan and the mission of His followers.

For example, Jesus told the disciples: “Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day; and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem” (Luke 24:46–47, ASV).

He also spoke about His blood as part of redemption, saying: “This is my blood of the covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28, ASV).

So it’s not reading into the text; it’s hearing Jesus’ own words about what His death and resurrection accomplish—for preaching, repentance, forgiveness, and the redemption of people through His blood.

 

[LoveYeshua]

[John 3:14 KJV] "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:"...................Once again you are reading the cross where it isn't. Let's look at the passage not just the verse.

[John 3:15 KJV] "That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.".......................Jesus is saying the Son of man must be lifted up so that whosoever BELIEVES ON HIM will have eternal life. There is nothing saying to believe on his death and resurrection.

[John 3:16 KJV] "For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."
[John 3:17 KJV] "For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved."................Once again Jesus says to BELIEVE IN HIM. That's all he is saying. He says nothing of the cross for salvation

[John 3:18 KJV] "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.".................What is meant by BELIEVING ON HIM? It says in this verse what it means, it means TO BELIEVE IN HIS NAME. Nothing about the cross/nothing about his death and resurrection. To believe in his name is to believe he is their Messiah, the Son of God............[John 20:31 KJV] "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name."

Thank you for sharing the full passages. I agree that Jesus emphasizes believing in Him as the Son of God, and that this is central. But notice what He actually says about how eternal life comes through Him.

Jesus said, “As Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up; that whosoever believeth may in him have eternal life” (John 3:14–15, ASV). The phrase “lifted up” is not just a figure—it refers to His death on the cross, because that is what He was lifted up to do. The comparison with the bronze serpent in the wilderness is purposeful: the serpent was lifted so the people could be healed, not simply to be looked at. Likewise, Jesus is lifted to bring salvation and life.

Believing “in His name” is not separate from believing in what He did on the cross. Jesus’ name, as Messiah, is inseparable from His mission—His death, resurrection, and the redemption He accomplished. John 20:31 confirms that the purpose of the writings is that people might believe Jesus is the Christ and have life through Him. This life comes through the work He accomplished, not simply a mental acknowledgment.

So believing in His name is believing in Him as the Son of God who was lifted up to save, which is exactly the cross and resurrection. The passages you quoted are not ignoring the cross—they point to it as the means of eternal life.

 

[LoveYeshua]

You have to look at the surrounding verses. He said nothing of the cross or his death and resurrection....................[John 6:47 KJV] "Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life."..............He was saying to believe on him which we saw was to believe on his name...............[John 3:18 KJV] "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."

It’s true that Jesus repeatedly emphasizes believing in Him as the Son of God. But notice how He explains what that belief requires.

In John 6:51, He says, “The bread which I will give is my flesh, for the life of the world” (ASV). This is not metaphorical in a casual sense—He is clearly speaking of giving His life. The surrounding verses clarify the point: He repeats that the bread is His flesh, that it is to be eaten, and that life depends on receiving it (John 6:52–58). He links believing in Him directly to partaking in His life, His sacrifice, and the gift He gives through Himself.

Believing in His name is not abstract. His name, as Messiah, is inseparable from His mission, which includes His death and resurrection for the world. To believe in Him as the Son of God is to trust in what He gives to bring life—the “flesh for the life of the world” He speaks of.

So these verses are not ignoring His death; they point directly to it as the source of eternal life. Believing in Him always includes believing in what He did to save the world.

Jesus shed his blood for the new testament which was only to forgive the sins Israel committed under the first testament

Thank you for your comment. It’s true that Jesus spoke about His blood as part of the new covenant, but His words in the Gospels show that His sacrifice is not limited to Israel or the Old Testament sins alone, we have discussed this before many times.

Jesus said, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28, ASV). The phrase “for many” is never restricted to one nation—it points to all who will believe and receive Him. He also commanded the disciples to go and preach repentance and forgiveness to all nations beginning at Jerusalem (Luke 24:46–47, ASV).

So the shedding of His blood is about the forgiveness of sins for the whole world, not just Israel, and it is tied to faith and obedience in Him, as He consistently taught.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Look closely and see that remission of sins wasn't by the cross they were to preach not the cross, but HIS NAME

Doug, Christ asked the disciples, the 12 to preach ALL HE DID AND SAID, do you think they would not say he died on the cross, of course they did, notice what Jesus actually said in Luke 24:46–47: “that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name unto all the nations” (ASV).

The key is “in his name.” Jesus’ name as Messiah is inseparable from what He accomplished—His suffering and resurrection. That is why earlier in the same context He said, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer, and rise again” (v.46). The remission of sins comes through His name, but His name carries the work of the cross and resurrection.

So when they preached forgiveness “in His name,” they were preaching the message of His death, resurrection, and the salvation it brings. Believing in His name is believing in what He did to redeem the world, not just acknowledging a title.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Peter wasnt preaching the cross for salvation he was condemning Israel for crucifying Jesus

In Acts 2:22–24, Peter emphasizes that Jesus was crucified by men, but God raised Him up, linking the death and resurrection together. The resurrection shows God’s power and confirms Jesus’ mission to bring salvation. Later, in Acts 3:18, Peter says that Christ had to suffer, and that through this suffering God’s plan was fulfilled.

So Peter’s preaching was not just about condemnation—it tied the cross and resurrection directly to God’s plan of salvation. He pointed to Jesus’ death and resurrection as the event that opens the way for repentance and forgiveness, which is exactly the core of the gospel Jesus taught.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Here is my post on this

PAUL REFLECTS THE TEN COMMANDMENTS​

yes he did, but in one verse only? Doug, can you find others?

 

[LoveYeshua]

We are saved by believing Paul's gospel, that Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification

All the verses you gave were for Israel not us

Let’s be clear: salvation is not something added later or restricted to Paul’s writings. Jesus Himself taught the message of life, forgiveness, and salvation long before Paul was called. The verses I shared—from John 14, 15, 16, and Matthew 28—are universal, not limited to Israel. Jesus said, “Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations” (Matthew 28:19, ASV). His promise to be with His followers is for everyone who follows Him, everywhere.

Believing Jesus’ words is not passive or limited to repeating a slogan. Jesus repeatedly tied faith to action, obedience, and enduring trust. He said, “If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples” (John 8:31, ASV) and warned that not everyone who calls Him “Lord” will enter the kingdom, but only those who do the will of the Father (Matthew 7:21, ASV). Salvation is a living, continuing relationship, not a formula only found in Paul.

The claim that salvation is only through “Paul’s gospel” ignores what Jesus Himself taught. He commanded the disciples to preach repentance, forgiveness of sins, and faith in Him to all nations (Luke 24:46–47, ASV). These instructions came directly from Jesus, not Paul, and they apply to all people, Jew and Gentile alike.

So salvation is rooted in Jesus’ words, His name, His mission, and His promises, not in later writings attributed to anyone else. Anyone who trusts in Jesus’ teaching—His cross, resurrection, and life-giving Spirit—follows the path He Himself laid out.

 

[LoveYeshua]

I didnt say Jesus didnt tell them he would die and rise the third day I SAID HE DIDNT SAY WHY. HE DIDNT SAY WHAT HIS DEATH AND RESURRECTION WOULD ACCOMPLISH

Let’s be precise: Jesus did explain the purpose of His death and resurrection, and He did it repeatedly to His disciples. It is not something we read into the text—it is what He actually said.

After His resurrection, Jesus said: “Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day; and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem” (Luke 24:46–47, ASV). Here, Jesus clearly ties His suffering and resurrection to repentance and forgiveness of sins, and to the mission of preaching to all nations. That is the purpose.

He also spoke of His blood as shed for the forgiveness of sins: “This is my blood of the covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28, ASV). The cross is not just an event; it is the means by which God provides salvation, life, and redemption.

Every time Jesus spoke of being lifted up (John 3:14–15) or of giving His flesh for the life of the world (John 6:51), He was explaining what His death accomplishes—life, forgiveness, and the restoration of humanity to God. Believing in Him means believing in His name and His work, not merely acknowledging that He would die and rise.

So it is false to say Jesus never explained the purpose. He said it clearly: repentance, forgiveness, salvation, and life come through His death and resurrection. That is the gospel, straight from His own words, why do you ignore them?

 

[LoveYeshua]

Doug, I wrote this morning something for another forum that i think would be useful for you;

Salvation as a Journey Rooted in True Belief

Many people believe salvation is secured the moment a person says they believe. They often quote verses from the Gospel of John that speak about believing and eternal life, and from this they conclude that nothing else matters afterward. This approach treats belief as a moment instead of a life. When the words of Jesus are read in their full setting, a different picture appears. Jesus never taught belief as a bare statement of agreement. In Scripture, belief is living trust that receives Him, follows Him, remains with Him, and is proven over time. Salvation depends on this kind of belief.

What Jesus Means by “Believe”
A major source of confusion is the modern meaning of the word believe. Today it often means agreeing with a fact in the mind. In the Bible, believing means trusting, relying on, and giving oneself over to something. It involves loyalty and direction, not just thought.
Jesus Himself shows this clearly. He said,
“He that believeth on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life.” (John 3:36, ASV)
This is one sentence spoken by the same voice, yet it contrasts belief with disobedience. That tells us what kind of belief Jesus is talking about. True belief moves a person toward obedience. A belief that refuses obedience is not the belief that leads to life.
Jesus also said,
“This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.” (John 6:29, ASV)
Believing is not presented as a human claim but as something God works in a person. When God produces belief, it reshapes the will, the desires, and the direction of life. This is why belief in Scripture is never passive.

Believing Requires Remaining and Abiding
The Gospel of John itself makes clear that believing must continue. Jesus never spoke of belief as something that happens once and then becomes untouchable.
He said,
“If ye abide in my word, then are ye truly my disciples; and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.”(John 8:31–32, ASV)
The condition is simple and strong. If you abide, then you are truly His disciple. Abiding means remaining, staying, and continuing. Freedom is promised only to those who remain in His word.
Jesus then gave the image of the vine and the branches to explain this reality:
“Abide in me, and I in you… If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered.” (John 15:4,6, ASV)
This picture only makes sense if remaining matters. A branch must already be connected in order to be removed. Jesus is warning His own followers that life depends on staying connected to Him.

Eternal Life Is Given, but It Must Be Kept
Jesus clearly taught that eternal life is given to the believer.
“He that heareth my word, and believeth him that sent me, hath eternal life.” (John 5:24, ASV)
This is often quoted as if it ends the discussion. But Jesus never treated eternal life as permission to stop listening or following. Eternal life is a living gift that must be guarded.
Later He said,
“If a man keep my word, he shall never see death.” (John 8:51, ASV)
Here eternal life is tied to keeping His word. Hearing and believing bring life, but keeping His word shows that the life is real and continuing.

Jesus’ Warnings Only Make Sense if Continuance Matters
Jesus repeatedly warned His own listeners about failing to endure.
“He that endureth to the end, the same shall be saved.” (Matthew 24:13, ASV)
This statement would have no meaning if salvation were guaranteed at the first moment of belief. Endurance only matters if turning away is possible.
Jesus explained this in the parable of the sower. He spoke of people who receive the word with joy, believe for a time, and yet later fall away:
“They believe for a while; and in time of temptation fall away.” (Luke 8:13, ASV)
Temporary belief is not saving belief. What matters is belief that survives testing.

Doing the Will of God Reveals True Faith
Jesus was direct about the final judgment.
“Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.” (Matthew 7:21, ASV)
These people believed enough to speak religious words and even acknowledge Jesus as Lord. Yet they were rejected because their lives did not match their claim.
Jesus ended this teaching with the parable of the two builders. Both heard His words. One obeyed, one did not. Only the obedient one stood in the end (Matthew 7:24–27). Hearing without doing leads to collapse.

The Narrow Way Is a Life That Is Walked
Jesus described salvation as a path.
“Strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, that leadeth unto life.” (Matthew 7:14, ASV)
A gate is an entry point, but the way is a road that must be walked. Entering does not replace walking. Salvation is found on the path that follows.

To conclude, Jesus never taught salvation as a sentence spoken once and never tested again. He taught salvation as believing that remains, faith that obeys, and trust that endures. The verses in John about believing do not cancel Jesus’ commands and warnings. They explain the depth and nature of the belief that saves.
Salvation begins with believing, but it is completed by continuing.
“Be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee the crown of life.” (Revelation 2:10, ASV)

 

[LoveYeshua]

@Doug
I wont have much time to answer multiple questions today but could answer 2 or 3 later today if you have.

Blessings.

 

[Doug]

For example, Jesus told the disciples: “Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day; and that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem” (Luke 24:46–47, ASV).

Jesus didnt speak of his death and resurrection until the end
Jesus didnt say anything about preaching his death and resurrection he said to preach his name

 

[Doug]

He also spoke about His blood as part of redemption, saying: “This is my blood of the covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins” (Matthew 26:28, ASV).

Jesus didnt tell them this til the end either
Jesus only said he would shed his blood for the sins Israel committed under the first testament

 

[Doug]

The phrase “lifted up” is not just a figure—it refers to His death on the cross,

This is indeed reading into this
Even if he did mean the cross he would still be only saying he would be crucified just as elsewhere . This passage says nothing about what the cross would accomplish

 

[Doug]

Believing “in His name” is not separate from believing in what He did on the cross. Jesus’ name, as Messiah, is inseparable from His mission—His death, resurrection, and the redemption He accomplished. John 20:31 confirms that the purpose of the writings is that people might believe Jesus is the Christ and have life through Him. This life comes through the work He accomplished, not simply a mental acknowledgment.

You are making scripture say what it doesnt
Believing on his name is to believe Jesus was their Messiah and would save them from their sins and their enemies and be their King but not how. Isiah 53 isnt specific to identify Jesus when he was on earth as being who it spoke about

 

[Doug]

Believing in Him always includes believing in what He did to save the world.

Israel during Christ's earthly ministry only had to believe on his name. This required faith and believing God. Believing God is accounted for righteousness. God could declare them righteous because Christ would shed his blood die for their sins, That God would forgive them based on Christ's sacrifice wasnt made known to them at that time.

 

[Doug]

So the shedding of His blood is about the forgiveness of sins for the whole world,

Hebrews says otherwise..............[Hebrews 9:15 KJV] "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.".............Hebrews says he died just for Israel's sins committed under the first testament NOT THE WORLD. Only Paul would reveal he was a ransom for all

 

[Doug]

Doug, Christ asked the disciples, the 12 to preach ALL HE DID AND SAID, do you think they would not say he died on the cross

Again we cant make it say what it doesn't

 

[Doug]

So when they preached forgiveness “in His name,” they were preaching the message of His death, resurrection, and the salvation it brings. Believing in His name is believing in what He did to redeem the world, not just acknowledging a title.

Preaching and believing in his name is just what it says and only what it says

 

[Doug]

In Acts 2:22–24, Peter emphasizes that Jesus was crucified by men, but God raised Him up, linking the death and resurrection together. The resurrection shows God’s power and confirms Jesus’ mission to bring salvation. Later, in Acts 3:18, Peter says that Christ had to suffer, and that through this suffering God’s plan was fulfilled.

So Peter’s preaching was not just about condemnation—it tied the cross and resurrection directly to God’s plan of salvation. He pointed to Jesus’ death and resurrection as the event that opens the way for repentance and forgiveness, which is exactly the core of the gospel Jesus taught.

Peter only preached Christ's crucifixion and death as condemning Israel not salvation
Peter preached his resurrection not to be for the salvation of the world, but only to assure Israel that he was raised to sit on David's throne in the kingdom on earth