Trump has abandoned America First

[quietthinker]

Looking in the mirror again? No stories on my part. And no anger either. I know who loses when all is said and done.

Your profile identifies your homeland. And if you don't know its history,shame on you.

you can't be taken seriously Button, resorting to wild unfounded accusations and denial of the obvious

 

[ProDeo]

@Triumph1300 liked your warning. When they behave the same way regarding Trump.
Maybe your post was a wakeup call.

I don't think you understand @Triumph1300, he is the loud conscience of the White House. A bit less loud would be better IMO.

Great link. That helps add context to Genesis and the passage,let us make man in our image and likeness, too.

Agreed.

 

[ProDeo]

The Italians, like many NATO members, appear to resent the United States. Despite the fact that we subsidize their national defense.

Demanding Greenland was a shock here.

Then there was this other major incident, Trump claiming NATO members would not defend America. And Mark Rutte had to remind Trump the Bush administration called for article 5 after 9/11. And all NATO members did their duty. Thousands of NATO soldiers died in Afghanistan.

Okay, the man forgot about history, can happen.

Instead of giving his blunder a rest, Trump went in to attack mode by saying : NATO solders were not fighting at the front.

How low can you go.

 

[Button]

I don't think you understand @Triumph1300, he is the loud conscience of the White House.

I think you don't understand what he's been writing in that regard. Conscience isn't the word that comes to mind.

A bit less loud would be better IMO.

On that we agree.

Agreed.

 

[mailmandan]

You must be one of the wealthy citizens?

I'm not a rich man but I am a blessed man.

 

[mailmandan]

Uh oh, Dan. QT asked if you're one of our wealthy citizens . Of course you are. You're a mailman!

Now there's a bunch who are against wealth in America. Wouldn't you know it, certain wealthy celebrities are opposed to,wealth held by a few.

God knows,they're so transparent in their Left Wing acting gigs.

I'm middle class.

 

[Riven]

Demanding Greenland was a shock here.

I realize it's a shock, but the United States does need it for national defense. The arctic region is becoming a major flashpoint, and considering how much America has done for Europe for well over 100 years, it's a small ask.

So what we have is a situation where Denmark is refusing to sell Greenland to us, while at the same time demanding we continue to subsidize their national defense.

Then there was this other major incident, Trump claiming NATO members would not defend America. And Mark Rutte had to remind Trump the Bush administration called for article 5 after 9/11. And all NATO members did their duty. Thousands of NATO soldiers died in Afghanistan.

I agree.

Okay, the man forgot about history, can happen.

Instead of giving his blunder a rest, Trump went in to attack mode by saying : NATO solders were not fighting at the front.

How low can you go.

Agreed. The comment was stupid.

 

[Taken]

Trump has abandoned America First

Biggest crock the Ignorant can muster and spew.

First Above All IS;
The Lord God Almighty.

First Above All Nations IS;
America and her People / Americans.

First Above All Peoples IS;
Faithful Stock ISRAEL and Faithful GENTILES IN CHRIST.

The Rest outside THAT Purview ARE the Menace that Stirs Tribulations Among men.

The UPSTANDING,
… (According to Gods Way…)
accept they WHO conforms to Allegiance…
And,
… (According to Gods Way..)
Reject, Divide, Separate
They who ARE the Menace.

You Don’t Like Trumps “methods” of
Restoration …
* MAGA
* LAWFUL Negotiations tactics,
* LAWFUL Diplomacy tactics,
* LAWFUL Enforcement tactics…
* LAWFUL Solicitation of God For His Favor…

Present YOUR WAYS and MEANS Superior to Gods Ways and Means.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[ProDeo]

I think you don't understand what he's been writing in that regard. Conscience isn't the word that comes to mind.

I happen to agree in essence a lot of times with him, but will word it differently.

 

[Triumph1300]

 

[ProDeo]

I realize it's a shock, but the United States does need it for national defense. The arctic region is becoming a major flashpoint, and considering how much America has done for Europe for well over 100 years, it's a small ask.

So what we have is a situation where Denmark is refusing to sell Greenland to us, while at the same time demanding we continue to subsidize their national defense.

What I meant to say (I used the word demanding) was the tone setting, among it not excluding military force. All unnecessary wasted negative energy creating mistrust because Greenland is NATO land and Denmark thus has an obligation to cooperate when there is a need. And Denmark always has been open to that, remember US had many military bases in Greenland in the past.

Instead of starting normal negotiations Trump publicly bullied Denmark as if it was an enemy country, threatening the EU with tariffs. In a seldom seen harsh reaction from the EU Trump toned down and the irony is that after that he got what he wanted.

So silly.

 

[Riven]

What I meant to say (I used the word demanding) was the tone setting, among it not excluding military force. All unnecessary wasted negative energy creating mistrust because Greenland is NATO land and Denmark thus has an obligation to cooperate when there is a need. And Denmark always has been open to that, remember US had many military bases in Greenland in the past.

The problem is about investment. If Denmark reserves the right at anytime to revoke the treaty, any kind of investment that the United States makes on the island, which would be significant, is at risk. Owning the island solves that problem.

Instead of starting normal negotiations Trump publicly bullied Denmark as if it was an enemy country, threatening the EU with tariffs. In a seldom seen harsh reaction from the EU Trump toned down and the irony is that after that he got what he wanted.

That was Trump negotiating. He had to make NATO believe he was willing to destroy the alliance to secure American security interests in it's own hemisphere. He got what he wanted in the end, more or less, without firing a shot. If he had played nice with EU bureaucrats, he would have gotten nothing.

 

[Button]

I happen to agree in essence a lot of times with him, but will word it differently.

That's unfortunate,regardless of wording.
He's a foreign citizen who consistently assaults the integrity of America in every level. Citizens,nation,leadership.
All of which confirrms in his proud,arrogant,defiant,vitriol that he is without repentance or grace.
Which is why he is set to ignore.
As God advised.
Ephesians 5:11
1 Corinthians 15:33

 

[Button]

I'm middle class.

Me too.

 

[Triumph1300]

Millions of Americans are now ashamed of the president “for the first time” over his efforts to strike a deal with Ukraine to gain access to its mineral wealth.

Confidence in Trump Dips, and Fewer Now Say They Support His Policies and Plans.​

 

[ProDeo]

The problem is about investment. If Denmark reserves the right at anytime to revoke the treaty, any kind of investment that the United States makes on the island, which would be significant, is at risk. Owning the island solves that problem.

The red is not correct.

The 1951 Denmark-Greenland treaty (Agreement Concerning the Defense of Greenland) is a pivotal, still-active Cold War-era treaty permitting the United States to maintain military, air, and naval bases in Greenland, which is part of the Kingdom of Denmark. Signed on April 27, 1951, it solidifies joint defense within the NATO framework, notably authorizing the U.S. to operate installations like the Pituffik Space Base (formerly Thule Air Base).
Key Aspects of the 1951 Treaty:

• NATO Defense Link: The treaty was established to align with NATO's collective defense plans, allowing the U.S. to assist Denmark in protecting the North Atlantic area.
• Military Installations: It enabled the U.S. to construct, operate, and maintain defense areas (e.g., Thule, Narsarsuaq) in Greenland.
• Sovereignty and Control: While the U.S. operates these areas, the treaty recognizes Danish sovereignty over Greenland.
• Duration: The agreement has no specific expiration date and remains in force.

US has all it wants based on the treaty.

That was Trump negotiating. He had to make NATO believe he was willing to destroy the alliance to secure American security interests in it's own hemisphere. He got what he wanted in the end, more or less, without firing a shot. If he had played nice with EU bureaucrats, he would have gotten nothing.

No, Trump was showing American power play, same as with Venezuela, same as bombing Iran.

It's a message to the real enemy -> China.

 

[ProDeo]

That's unfortunate,regardless of wording.
He's a foreign citizen who consistently assaults the integrity of America in every level. Citizens,nation,leadership.
All of which confirrms in his proud,arrogant,defiant,vitriol that he is without repentance or grace.
Which is why he is set to ignore.
As God advised.
Ephesians 5:11
1 Corinthians 15:33

As a Canadian citizen I would be worried too as your president at multiple times has said he wants Canada as American soil.

Do you agree with that ?

 

[Riven]

The red is not correct.

The 1951 Denmark-Greenland treaty (Agreement Concerning the Defense of Greenland) is a pivotal, still-active Cold War-era treaty permitting the United States to maintain military, air, and naval bases in Greenland, which is part of the Kingdom of Denmark. Signed on April 27, 1951, it solidifies joint defense within the NATO framework, notably authorizing the U.S. to operate installations like the Pituffik Space Base (formerly Thule Air Base).
Key Aspects of the 1951 Treaty:

• NATO Defense Link: The treaty was established to align with NATO's collective defense plans, allowing the U.S. to assist Denmark in protecting the North Atlantic area.
• Military Installations: It enabled the U.S. to construct, operate, and maintain defense areas (e.g., Thule, Narsarsuaq) in Greenland.
• Sovereignty and Control: While the U.S. operates these areas, the treaty recognizes Danish sovereignty over Greenland.
• Duration: The agreement has no specific expiration date and remains in force.

US has all it wants based on the treaty.

What if the Danes decide to violate the terms of the treaty after significant American investment, including Golden Dome? It may not be likely, but it's possible. America would prefer to eliminate that variable by owning the island.

No, Trump was showing American power play, same as with Venezuela, same as bombing Iran.

It's a message to the real enemy -> China.

I think Greenland was a separate issue from what you've laid out here. But I do agree that America has been making some power moves. There will likely be more to come in the future. As the PM of Canada has said, the liberal world order is over.

 

[Button]

As a Canadian citizen I would be worried too as your president at multiple times has said he wants Canada as American soil.

Do you agree with that ?

I've enough experience with watching his antics to know there is a method to his seeming madness.

Canadas former PM Trudeau was a fool. And a danger to Canadians national future.
And the new PM is no better.

Trump once said, it's good to be underestimated.

 

[Triumph1300]

Canadas former PM Trudeau was a fool. And a danger to Canadians national future.
And the new PM is no better.

So it is ok for YOU, to have an opinion about foreign leaders, but it's NOT ok for foreigners to pass on a judgement on an American leader.

I always wondered why some people consider Americans arrogant.
Now I know why.