The "watch rapture view"

[jeffweeder]

""Check Acts 2:28; is that the Scripture that you meant?""
Acts 2:28.Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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Acts 2:38-45 was taught by Peter B4 Paul was commissioned by Christ & HS Acts 9:15, Acts 13:2
Pauls saving Gospel as taught by Christ to ONLY Paul >> Gal 1:11-12, 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13.
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Acts 8:26-39 Eunuch was saved by the Gospel that Peter taught.
The saving Gospel of Paul was not known yet.
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Remember that Pauls Gospel was UNKNOWN at the time of the Eunuch.
Do you see the differences between Paul & Peters Gospel ?
Peter >> Acts 2:38-45
Paul >> Gal 1:11-12, 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13.
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Today the ONLY Gospel that saves is Pauls & applies to everyone everywhere >> Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15.
Peters Gospel is NOT valid in this current Church Age "The Body of Christ" which only Apostle & Minister Paul has the Christ given authority to teach Salvation to

There has only ever been one Gospel foretold in the Scriptures.

1cor 15
3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold], 4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],
5 and that He appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the Twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters at one time, the majority of whom are still alive, but some have fallen asleep [in death]. 7 Then He was seen by James, then by all the apostles, 8 and last of all, as to one untimely (prematurely, traumatically) born, He appeared to me also.

9 For I am the least [worthy] of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I [at one time] fiercely oppressed and violently persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the [remarkable] grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not without effect. In fact, I worked harder than all of the apostles, though it was not I, but the grace of God [His unmerited favor and blessing which was] with me.

11 So whether it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed and trusted in and relied on with confidence.

 

[rvmb]

There has only ever been one Gospel foretold in the Scriptures.

1cor 15
3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold], 4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],
5 and that He appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the Twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters at one time, the majority of whom are still alive, but some have fallen asleep [in death]. 7 Then He was seen by James, then by all the apostles, 8 and last of all, as to one untimely (prematurely, traumatically) born, He appeared to me also.

9 For I am the least [worthy] of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I [at one time] fiercely oppressed and violently persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the [remarkable] grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not without effect. In fact, I worked harder than all of the apostles, though it was not I, but the grace of God [His unmerited favor and blessing which was] with me.

11 So whether it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed and trusted in and relied on with confidence.

"There has only ever been one Gospel foretold in the Scriptures."
Then why was Paul taught a Gospel by Christ that no other person was ?
Gal 1:11-12
11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

 

[jeffweeder]

Then why was Paul taught a Gospel by Christ that no other person was ?
Gal 1:11-12

11But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
12For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

What Peter received came through the revelation of Christ as well. He was an eyewitness and Paul wasn't.
Whether it was Peter or Paul who peaches. so we all come to believe what was foretold in the Scriptures.

1cor 15
3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold], 4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],
5 and that He appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the Twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters at one time, the majority of whom are still alive, but some have fallen asleep [in death]. 7 Then He was seen by James, then by all the apostles, 8 and last of all, as to one untimely (prematurely, traumatically) born, He appeared to me also.

9 For I am the least [worthy] of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I [at one time] fiercely oppressed and violently persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the [remarkable] grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not without effect. In fact, I worked harder than all of the apostles, though it was not I, but the grace of God [His unmerited favor and blessing which was] with me.

11 So whether it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed and trusted in and relied on with confidence.

 

[rvmb]

What Peter received came through the revelation of Christ as well. He was an eyewitness and Paul wasn't.
Whether it was Peter or Paul who peaches. so we all come to believe what was foretold in the Scriptures.

1cor 15
3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold], 4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],
5 and that He appeared to Cephas (Peter), then to the Twelve. 6 After that He appeared to more than five hundred brothers and sisters at one time, the majority of whom are still alive, but some have fallen asleep [in death]. 7 Then He was seen by James, then by all the apostles, 8 and last of all, as to one untimely (prematurely, traumatically) born, He appeared to me also.

9 For I am the least [worthy] of the apostles, and not fit to be called an apostle, because I [at one time] fiercely oppressed and violently persecuted the church of God. 10 But by the [remarkable] grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not without effect. In fact, I worked harder than all of the apostles, though it was not I, but the grace of God [His unmerited favor and blessing which was] with me.

11 So whether it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed and trusted in and relied on with confidence.

""What Peter received came through the revelation of Christ as well.""
Then why didn't Christ use Peter to teach Paul the Gospel ?
Because Peter didn't know the Gospel that was to be taught to Paul.
Gal 2:6 .. for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
Don't you see the difference between Peter's Gospel >> Acts 2:38-45 v Paul's Gospel > 1 Cor15:1-4, Eph 1:13 ?

 

[jeffweeder]

""What Peter received came through the revelation of Christ as well.""
Then why didn't Christ use Peter to teach Paul the Gospel ?

Jesus chose Paul just like he chose Peter. He got it straight from God which is better by far than saying he got it from Man.

Because Peter didn't know the Gospel that was to be taught to Paul.
Gal 2:6 .. for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me:
Don't you see the difference between Acts 2:38-45 v 1 Cor15:1-4, Eph 1:13 ?

Peter clearly preached the same foretold Gospel of Jesus Christ as Paul.

11 So whether it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed and trusted in and relied on with confidence.

 

[rvmb]

Jesus chose Paul just like he chose Peter. He got it straight from God which is better by far than saying he got it from Man.



Peter clearly preached the same foretold Gospel of Jesus Christ as Paul.

11 So whether it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed and trusted in and relied on with confidence.

""Peter clearly preached the same foretold Gospel of Jesus Christ as Paul.""
Really ?
KJV Gal 2:7But contrariwise,
when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me,
as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
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Peter >> Acts 2:38-45
Paul >> 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13.
Under Peter, how was the HS recieved ? >>Acts 8:17-20
Under Paul >> Eph 1:13
Still not seeing a difference ?
Want more ?
Where does Paul teach Peter's Acts 2:44-45 ?
44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Want more, or is that enough for now ?

 

[jeffweeder]

""Peter clearly preached the same foretold Gospel of Jesus Christ as Paul.""
Really ?
KJV Gal 2:7But contrariwise,
when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me,
as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;
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Peter >> Acts 2:38-45
Paul >> 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13.
Under Peter, how was the HS recieved ? >>Acts 8:17-20
Under Paul >> Eph 1:13
Still not seeing a difference ?
Want more ?
Where does Paul teach Peter's Acts 2:44-45 ?
44And all that believed were together, and had all things common;
45And sold their possessions and goods, and parted them to all men, as every man had need.
Want more, or is that enough for now ?

How is Peters gospel different from Paul's? What were they preaching specifically that was foretold in the Scriptures?

They were both preaching this....,

Paul
1cor 15
3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold], 4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],


Peter
See Acts 2.

 

[rvmb]

How is Peters gospel different from Paul's? What were they preaching specifically that was foretold in the Scriptures?

They were both preaching this....,

Paul
1cor 15
3 For I passed on to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold], 4 and that He was buried, and that He was [bodily] raised on the third day according to [that which] the Scriptures [foretold],


Peter
See Acts 2.

Where does Peter preach 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 ?
List the verses :)

 

[jeffweeder]

Where does Peter preach 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 ?
List the verses :)

Eph 1
13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God].

Peter had just moments before his first sermon in Acts was immersed with the Holy Spirit. He believed in Jesus saving Gospel as Gentiles do and receive the same gift.

 

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Eph 1
13 In Him, you also, when you heard the word of truth, the good news of your salvation, and [as a result] believed in Him, were stamped with the seal of the promised Holy Spirit [the One promised by Christ] as owned and protected [by God].

Peter had just moments before his first sermon in Acts was immersed with the Holy Spirit. He believed in Jesus saving Gospel as Gentiles do and receive the same gift.

Acts 8:14-17
14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
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Where does Paul (Romans to Philemon) teach LAY HANDS and/or pray to receive the HS ?
Easy question :)

 

[jeffweeder]

Where does Paul (Romans to Philemon) teach LAY HANDS and/or pray to receive the HS ?
Easy question :)

2Tim 1
6 That is why I remind you to fan into flame the gracious gift of God, [that inner fire—the special endowment] which is in you through the laying on of my hands

 

[rvmb]

2Tim 1
6 That is why I remind you to fan into flame the gracious gift of God, [that inner fire—the special endowment] which is in you through the laying on of my hands

Question was :- Where does Paul (Romans to Philemon) teach LAY HANDS and/or pray to receive the HS ?
You answer 2 Tim 1:6
Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.
Want to try again ? :)

 

[jeffweeder]

Question was :- Where does Paul (Romans to Philemon) teach LAY HANDS and/or pray to receive the HS ?
You answer 2 Tim 1:6
Wherefore I put thee in remembrance that thou stir up the gift of God, which is in thee by the putting on of my hands.
Want to try again ? :)

Why?

Why is it important to you that there be 2 Gospels.

One was foretold, and Pauls testimony is that he and Peter both preached it. 1Cor 15:3-11

 

[rvmb]

Why?

Why is it important to you that there be 2 Gospels.

One was foretold, and Pauls testimony is that he and Peter both preached it. 1Cor 15:3-11

""Why is it important to you that there be 2 Gospels.""
Only 1 saving Gospel today as taught by Rom 11:13 Apostle, Rom 15:16 Minister Paul
Gal 1:11-12, 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13.
Acts 2:38-45 applied BEFORE Paul.

 

[jeffweeder]

""Why is it important to you that there be 2 Gospels.""
Only 1 saving Gospel today as taught by Rom 11:13 Apostle, Rom 15:16 Minister Paul
Gal 1:11-12, 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13.
Acts 2:38-45 applied BEFORE Paul.

Thanks for the chat.

 

[rvmb]

Thanks for the chat.

Thanks for the chat.

It's always 'interesting' interacting with those who refuse to accept that ONLY Paul has the Christ given authority to teach Salvation to believers today.

 

[jeffweeder]

It's always 'interesting' interacting with those who refuse to accept that ONLY Paul has the Christ given authority to teach Salvation to believers today.

Lol
Paul's own testimony disagrees with you

11 So whether it was I or they, this is what we preach, and this is what you believed and trusted in and relied on with confidence.

The Corinthians could have easily listened to Peter or one of the others and got the same results as Paul.
It didn't matter to him as long as the Gospel was believed.



Notice the foundations of the New Jerusalem, and the names on them.

14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundation stones, and on them the twelve names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb (Christ).

Does Paul deserve to be included regarding the foundations?

I would say Yes. Sounds appropriate.

 

[The Light]

There is truly no ignorance and arrogance to equal dispensational ignorance and arrogance. It is an abomination of desecration, an antichrist scourge within the True Church.

It will be returned to the pit from whence it comes.

You seem to think that God has forgotten His people. Not hardly.

Daniel 12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

 

[The Light]

Yes

You just can't make things work out in a proper timeline unless you skip the trumpets and vials of the 7th seal and pretend that the seventh seal is ONLY silence in heaven. Truly makes no sense whatsoever.

The vials are the time of God's wrath, not the seals.

The seventh seal is the time of God wrath and contains both the trumpets and vials of wrath.

Nothing occurs "at" the opening of the seals.

What? You can't make your timeline work, so you have to constantly change the order of things, skip things, pretend the seals are the trumpets, etc. etc. etc. It's never ending how you change things around.

No, the wrath of God is at the 7th trump which is when the vials of wrath are poured.

Sorry. The wrath of God is the 7th seal. It's all over at the 7th trumpet.

Revelation 10
7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Armageddon is already over when the 7th trumpet sounds as the kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord.

Revelation 11
15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.

You really don't understand what you are reading. You have just pieced things together as you see fit and just skip what you can't figure out.

Everything happens in order.

The beast coming first is not the chronological order of events of the end times. The seals are not opened in chronological order.

Then why do they have an order. Why do the first six seals fall in exactly the same order as what Jesus tells us in Matthew 24?

John and Jesus tell us exactly the same story so why do you find a need to change the order in what they tell us.

Why not try to figure out how to make your end times timeline work with the order that both John and Jesus tell us?

 

[covenantee]

You seem to think that God has forgotten His people. Not hardly.

Daniel 12
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.

4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Who are "His people"?

What are their identifying characteristics in God's sight?

Numbers 25
9 And those that died in the plague were twenty and four thousand.

Were the 24,000 that God slew "His people"?