WOMEN AREN'T TO SPEAK IN TONGUES IN THE CHURCH

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Because the Holy Bible is the authority which tells us so!
No, the Holy Bible shows it as a negative sign to unbelievers and why if all were speaking in tongues, unbelievers will think they are crazy, so don't do it around unbelievers. Prophecy is better for an unbeliever.
 

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Convincing truth for YOU here on this forum about the Gifts of the Holy Spirit is going to be hard to come by .
You need to get your truth up close and personal by attending a Church that has the Gifts of The Holy Spirit in evidence , it may take a few services for you to get what you need . It will be worth it , I will be praying for you .

""Convincing truth for YOU here on this forum about the Gifts of the Holy Spirit is going to be hard to come by""
Not if it's confirmed by Scripture as applicable for 'today' :)
The above 50 min MP3 is Scripture based teaching re tongues.
I'd be interested in your thought and would also be happy to listen to a similar recording that you supply that supports your views.
Which of their YouTube 500+ would you recommend ?
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Not if it's confirmed by Scripture as applicable for 'today' :)
Experiential knowledge , I have it and that is what you need .

Do you have any questions for me about speaking in tongues and I will do my best to answer them for you .
 
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Experiential knowledge , I have it and that is what you need .

Do you have any questions for me about speaking in tongues and I will do my best to answer them for you .
""Do you have any questions for me about speaking in tongues and I will do my best to answer them for you .""
Please link a video or teaching that supports your views.
I will then happily watch it & compare it to this audio teaching :)
 

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Please link a video or teaching that supports your views.








 

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The request was to list A video/online teaching that supports your view.
A single teaching is all that is required :)
This one covers it well, its 50 mins of Scripture based teaching.
What is your opinion of the teaching ?
 

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This one covers it well, its 50 mins of Scripture based teaching.
What is your opinion of the teaching ?
https://messages.shorewoodbiblechurch.org/WEBMedia/H/2021-05-23T10-33-36_1682522423.MP3
Without listening to the teaching at the link you provide I am pretty sure what I will find because this is on their website since they are a cessation of the signs gifts church . I do not agree with them . The Perfect has not come and knowledge has not vanished away .

9. The sign gifts of the Acts period were temporary in character, and have ceased (I Cor. 13:8-13).

 

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Yes, I watched the 8 minute clip.
Did those in the clip :-
Perform in agreement with Scripture. It would be a real and intelligible language (1 Corinthians 14:10).
NO.
Was it communicating God’s Word with a person of another language (Acts 2:6–12).
NO.
Was it exercised in the church in agreement with God’s instructions: “If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret.
NO.
If there is no interpreter, did the speaker keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God” (1 Corinthians 14:27–28).
NO
Was it practiced with decorum: God is not a God of disorder but of peace (1 Corinthians 14:33).
NO
So what type of tongue was it ? UNKNOWN
Was GOD talking to the 'speaker' ?
1 Cor 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him;
Was the speaker able to translate what they were saying ? NO
Their own little "s" spirit was speaking (praying) ONE WAY to GOD >> 1 Cor 14:2 howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
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Please list a video that shows a TONGUE talker speaking in a KNOWN language (yet not his own) that others can understand & interpret :)
 

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Without listening to the teaching at the link you provide I am pretty sure what I will find because this is on their website since they are a cessation of the signs gifts church . I do not agree with them . The Perfect has not come and knowledge has not vanished away .

9. The sign gifts of the Acts period were temporary in character, and have ceased (I Cor. 13:8-13).

"The Perfect has not come and knowledge has not vanished away ."
Scripture writes >>>>> little p perfect, not BIG P perfect.
There's a HUGE difference :)
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Adj - adjective
N - Nominative
N - Neuter
S - Singular
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The 'perfect' >> completed Scripture has come.
ALL the knowledge we need is in "completed Scripture" :)
 
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You see Fred, just reading the dead letter of the 'written word' ends up with just having a doctrine that puffs up. People I've ministered it to, all felt my love for the truth I wanted to share with them.
Apparently 'your truth' deceived by the god of this world and even disguises himself as an angel of Light, is opposed to 2Timothy3:16&17 'breathed out by GOD' truth.

Why we're not surprised?

This is because we've been ministering and witnessing and exposing your 'fallacy' since the beginning, even scripturally.

Since the god of this world have blinded your minds, hence you 'ignore' the 'dead letters'/'written word', and conveniently you continue with the deceived version of the enemy.

PS. You can't distinguish the difference between 'zeal' and 'puffs up', therefore the 'arrow' you've sent have been 'deflected'.

Our given 'duty' is done as unworthy servants and we have 'nothing' in common.

2CO 3:5 Not that we are competent of ourselves to claim anything as coming from us; our competence is from God,
6 who has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not in a written code but in the Spirit; for the written code kills, but the Spirit gives life.
Even satan quotes scriptures out of context to fit his deceiving agendas, even when he tried Christ in the wilderness.

As a result Jesus disciple us the same 'dead letters/written word', saying;

"You will know them by their fruit."
 
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Brethren, Apostle Paul in his epistle to the church, did mention about sisters in Christ being 'weak vessels', besides brothers in Christ.

He even used the example of Adam and Eve, that Eve was deceived first and sinned than Adam, an illustration referring to sisters in Christ in church as well.

Nevertheless, we're to love them how Christ loved His church, nevertheless also with 'rebuke' and 'correction', not to our convenient but based on All Scripture=Holy Bible 'authority' and 'foundation'.

'Opposed' to the 'authority' and 'foundation', seems like believer men and women(even with gifts of the Holy Ghost) have gone ahead and continue with out of context faith and works.

Apparently deceived by satan due to their 'shortsightedness' from the scripture in context , even established for themselves 'divided even mega denominations'.

This is the prophetic, 'workers of iniquity or lawlessness on that day, where many will come to Him and say have served in His name', Jesus is referring to in Matthew 7:22&23.

We in context to All Scripture=Holy Bible 'authority' and 'foundation', are also included in judgement, whether have been 'doers' and 'abiders' by them or in 'lawlessness' as well. (2John1:9-11)

According to Apostle John in his epistle, he notifies that 'lawlessness' is 'sin'.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ
 

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No, the Holy Bible shows it as a negative sign to unbelievers and why if all were speaking in tongues, unbelievers will think they are crazy, so don't do it around unbelievers. Prophecy is better for an unbeliever.
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1 Corinthians 14:
22. Wherefore tongues are for a 'sign', not to them that believe(believers), but to them that believe not(unbelievers): but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not(unbelievers), but for them which believe(believers).


Therefore speaking in tongues, whether of angels or of men, is a 'sign' for unbelievers(example like on the day of Pentecost for one), and not believers.

Believers know what is taking place spiritually and scripturally, cum is the gift of the Holy Ghost, and is for their 'edification', and no longer a sign anymore.

On the other hand, prophesying 'serves' not unbelievers who are not born again, but born again believers for their 'edification' as well. (vs.4)

Prophesying continuously, and from some part of the what believers prophesy in curch, brings 'conviction' to an unbeliever or unlearned eventually. (vs.24-25)

Same chapter, then why unbelievers hear believers speaking in tongues and on the other hand declare them as crazy, when it should be a 'sign' to them?

That is because when every one in the church speak in tongues at one time, and not two or three person at a time with interpretation cum take turns.
 
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Apparently, unlearned and unstable and being 'shortsighted', you tend to 'twist' the doctrine, as well the scriptures, to your own destruction. (2Peter3:15-17)
Do you realize you were just bullying, and not with righteous truth. Who is twisting 1 Corinthians 14:2 to their own destruction? I don't blame you. But I do blame those who twisted it in the first place. You just blindly followed along. I bet you've never questioned what really happened on the Day of Pentecost for yourself. You just let yourself be brainwashed. What a shame. Read Acts 2: 8 and 11. It is clear as day.

2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. If you can accept this rule, and continue reading through verse 6, you will see the one and only way the devout Jews, who belonged to God in the first place, understood the 120 speaking in tongues. How? What other way could each one of them of different languages hear all of the disciples like a choir in their own language. Remember, God does NOT contradict His own word, let alone His rules. Man does that, but not God. "let God be true but every man a liar." Figure it out yet. Or don't you care about truth? Again, read Acts 2: 8 and 11. It is clear as day.

This is why in verses 22-23 the unbelieving and those in the church who are unlearned, if all are speaking in tongues together, and you come in, you'll think that church is bonkers! That is a negative reaction, is it not? Read it again in the context of the 2 verses together, not separately.

One problem is people tend to think all signs are positive, but tongues is of a peculiar type. And God made it this way to separate the chaff from the grain. Adults are too sophisticated, not like a little child who wants to believe and will believe sooner than an adult, and especially a Pharisee. There are other signs in the Bible that are called signs, and are negative. Jonah was one. What was the other? When you find that you will see that Tongues and that sign are identical. They are both a blessing to those who believe, but there is judgment for those who don't.
 
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Do you realize you were just bullying, and not with righteous truth. Who is twisting 1 Corinthians 14:2 to their own destruction? I don't blame you. But I do blame those who twisted it in the first place. You just blindly followed along. I bet you've never questioned what really happened on the Day of Pentecost for yourself. You just let yourself be brainwashed. What a shame. Read Acts 2: 8 and 11. It is clear as day.

2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. If you can accept this rule, and continue reading through verse 6, you will see the one and only way the devout Jews, who belonged to God in the first place, understood the 120 speaking in tongues. How? What other way could each one of them of different languages hear all of the disciples like a choir in their own language. Remember, God does NOT contradict His own word, let alone His rules. Man does that, but not God. "let God be true but every man a liar." Figure it out yet. Or don't you care about truth? Again, read Acts 2: 8 and 11. It is clear as day.

This is why in verses 22-23 the unbelieving and those in the church who are unlearned, if all are speaking in tongues together, and you come in, you'll think that church is bonkers! That is a negative reaction, is it not? Read it again in the context of the 2 verses together, not separately.

One problem is people tend to think all signs are positive, but tongues is of a peculiar type. And God made it this way to separate the chaff from the grain. Adults are too sophisticated, not like a little child who wants to believe and will believe sooner than an adult, and especially a Pharisee. There are other signs in the Bible that are called signs, and are negative. Jonah was one. What was the other? When you find that you will see that Tongues and that sign are identical. They are both a blessing to those who believe, but there is judgment for those who don't.
This 50 minute teaching based on Paul answered all my 'tongue' questions/doubts :)
 

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And mine is answered by the Holy Ghost Himself repeatedly, according to 2Timothy3:16&17 we've been already discipled with.

To Christians who make a study of it, even in social media, we who're discipled already are to 'judge', whether is 'tangible' to the foundation of the Holy Bible scriptures.

Therefore as GOD's lambs and sheep, we're able to distinguish ourselves between the 'spirit of truth' and 'spirit of error' among us and out there.
 
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Who's bullying who, and who be little who, being 'deluded' workers of 'iniquity' and 'lawlessness' against the word of GOD itself?

You and your supporters can't find our favor, want to proceed to teach men, practice authority over them and tell them what to do, when it's forbidden apparently.

Eve was deceived first not Adam, and etc., minister and witness Apostle Paul to 'certain' vocal cum lawless born again women in church.

Like you and your supporters today, first already deceived and want to deceive us born again men to eat the forbidden 'fallacy' fruit you've eaten.

For the record, we've been discipled and well aware, furthermore already learn from Adam in lesson, now not to listen to you 'lawless' ones.

Witnessing your 'shortsighted' and 'twisted' respond as above and as usual, you've 'mixed' the tongues in Acts 2 and tongues in 1 Corinthians 14, as the same tongues.

And too proclaimed, only the devote Jews of GOD understood, and the rest there did not understand, since also all the Apostles were going on in tongues at one time.

Even to conclude, these tongues does not speak to men but to GOD, period

Repent, or you'll die with your 'lawless is sin' unforgiven!

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Brethren, discipled according to 2Timothy3:16&17, be not deceived by those in the 'flesh' yet born again, here the daughters of Eve.

Acts 2:
5. And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under Heaven.
8. And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
9. Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
10. Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes.
11. Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of GOD.

1 Corinthians 14:
2. For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto GOD: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


Brethren, judge for yourselves, are they the same 'tongues', and do the same principles apply to both of them?

No!

They 'differ', because the one in Acts called 'cloven tongues', is spoken unto men, for each to hear in their own tongues where they were born.

Even to themselves being amazed claimed, simultaneously hearing one message, the wonderful works of GOD.

But the one in 1 Corinthians is 'unknown tongue' to men, therefore speak not unto men who don't understand but unto GOD who do, period

1 Corinthians 13:
1. Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.


Apparently Apostle Paul is referring to the gifts of the Holy Ghost there, yet without charity for an unbeliever or believer man, is meaningless.

That's why in context of 1 Corinthians, he implemented principles to go with the gifts of the Holy Ghost, hence fulfilling charity for one's neighbor.

As usual their self taught conclusion to conclude their ongoing 'fallacy' together and in 'lawlessness'.

This is where they're going to become 'shipwrecked' sooner or later, when they sophisticatedly explain and make right their 'fallacy' furthermore.

'Blind guides of the blind, soon they're going to fall into a ditch.'

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ.
You may think you have a right to talk to me this way, but I know God doesn't agree. Shame on you. I'm putting you on ignore. It is plain you have no loving fruit of the Spirit, and if I'm right that you do not, you will be surprised to hear Jesus say to you, "I never knew you." Peter says about the fruit of the Spirit, "For he who lacks these things is shortsighted, even to blindness, and has forgotten that he was cleansed from his old sins."

Being put on ignore means I will not have to see your abuse. I won't have to see it. By the way, I've also reported your bullying.
 
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This 50 minute teaching based on Paul answered all my 'tongue' questions/doubts :)
Thanks, but I have no questions. Jesus taught me everything I need to know during a seven year period while I wrote my book on it, The Hidden Mystery Behind Tongues.

Most teachers have no idea what they are talking about because they depend on their own human reasoning, instead of going to the source of Truth. Any time I had a question, like if 1 Corinthians 14:2 is the rule that no man understands tongues, then how could they understand the tongues on the Day of Pentecost? He answered me the next morning as I was just waking up and said "Interpretation" meaning the gift of interpretation of tongues.