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The Mosaic Law has never been given to any nation than to Israel. And only until Christ.
The Mosaic Law was given to Israel in order to equip them to be a light and a blessing to the Gentiles by turning them from their wickedness and by teaching them to obey it in accordance with the promise and with spreading the Gospel of the Kingdom/Grace. If the Mosaic Law was only mean for Israel, then there would be no point in spreading the Gospel to the Gentiles. In Romans 2:13, it says that only the doers of the Law of Moses will be justified and that Gentiles believers are by nature doers of it. In Romans 2:25, the way to recognize that a Gentile has a circumcised heart is by observing their obedience to the Law of Moses. In Matthew 28:16-20, Jesus commissioned his disciples to teach to the Gentiles everything that he taught them, so he did not intend for what he taught to be just for Jews. The God of Israel has given insurrections for how to know, love, glorify, believe in, and testify about Him through embodying His character traits, so if you want to do those things, then you will follow the instructions that God has given for how to do them.
No, this is not Christian teaching. What group are you from, Seventh Day Adventists or something?
I'm Messianic. I sowed that Christ spent his ministry teaching his followers to obey the Law of Moses by word and by example, so why is Christian teaching opposed to following what Christ taught?
Christ notably did not begin is his message with the Gospel message to stop repenting because the Law of Moses has ended now that he has come, but just the opposite, he taught to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was in accordance with him being sent as the promised seed to bless us by turning us from our wickedness (Acts 3:25-26). Christ did not come to curse is by causing us to be free to do what the Law of Moses reveals to be wickedness.
It is contradictory to think that the light to the Gentiles is God's Word made flesh, but not God's Word. In Psalm 119:142, the Law of Moses is truth, and in John 8:31-36, it is the transgression of the Law of Moses that puts us into bondage while the truth sets us free.
There is no church called "Messianic". So, you are outside of orthodox Christianity?
I don't agree with the positions of Messianic Christians regarding the law, but I do not consider them to be outside of the Body of Christ. FYI
I said outside of the orthodox Christianity, without a church, trying to figure out everything on their own.
Regarding understanding the Christian teachings, very important. People who just read the Bible for themselves can come up with all kind of ideas which are not Christian.
Not Christian?
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These questions are nonsensical. Church is there for a reason, since the first century. It is a "building" built upon the apostles with the corner stone - Christ.
It is short for Messianic Judaism. Some treat Christianity as if Christ had come to start his own religion separate from Judaism, however, he came as the Jewish Messiah of Judaism in fulfillment of Jewish prophecy and he spent his ministry teaching how to practice Judaism by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to the Torah. In Acts 21:20, they were rejoicing that tens of thousands of Jews were coming to faith in Jesus who were all zealous for the Torah, which is in accordance with Titus 2:14, where Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so Jews coming to faith in Jesus were not ceasing to practice Judaism but were becoming zealous for it. This means that there was a period of time between the resurrection of Jesus and the inclusion of Gentiles in Acts 10 that is estimated to be around 7-15 years during which all Christians were Torah observant Jews and that Christianity at its origin was the sect of Judaism that recognized Jesus as the Messiah. In Acts 24:14, Paul testified that according to The Way, which they call a sect, he continue to worship the God of their fathers, believing everything laid down by the Torah and written in the Prophets, and the religion that The Way is a sect of is Judaism. However, Christianity today has become its own religion separate from Judaism and Messianic Judaism is about reconciling the two by returning Christianity to its Jewish roots and about understanding the Bible with respect to its Jewish cultural and historical context.
It is not a cult. Do you believe that the Psalms express a correct view of obeying the Torah that the Jesus and the Apostles were in agreement with?
Jesus and the Apostles quoted from the OT hundreds of times in order to support what they were saying, so it doesn't work for orthodox Christianity to take the position that we should only follow what they said but not what they considered to an authoritative source. For example, Jesus quoted three times from Deuteronomy in order to defeat the temptations of Satan, which included saying that man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that comes from the mouth of God, which includes affirming what God spoke in Deuteronomy 5:12-15 in regard to keeping the Sabbath holy and what He spoke in Deuteronomy 14 in regard to refraining from eating unclean animals. So when the truth of Matthew 4:4 is not in accordance with orthodox Christianity, then it is clear that followers of Christ should follow Christ rather than orthodox Christianity.
Christ set a sinless example for us to follow of how practice Judaism by walking in sinless obedience to the Torah and as his followers we are told to follow his example (1 Peter 2:21-22), that those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way that he walked (1 John 2:6), and to be imitators of Paul as he is of Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1). The problem that they had with the Judaizers was not that they were teaching Gentiles how to follow Christ's example but that they were wanting to require Gentiles to become circumcised (become Jews) in order to become saved, which is also my problem with them.
In Deuteronomy 13, the way that God instructed to determine that someone is a false prophet or dreamer who is not speaking for Him is if they speak against obeying what He has commanded, so it is either incorrect to interpret the Apostles as doing that (my position) or they were false prophets according to God, but either way followers of Christ should follow his example of obedience to the Torah. If you agree with my that the Apostles were servants of God, then you should be opposed to interpreting them as speaking against obeying what God has commanded and if you think that they should be interpreted as speaking against what God has commanded, then you should be opposed to considering them to be servants of God, but Deuteronomy 13 does not leave room for us to consider them to be servants of God while also thinking that they should be interpreted as speaking against obeying what God has commanded. The bottom line is that we must obey God rather than man and we should be quicker to disregard everything that any man has said than to disregard anything that God has commanded, so when God has commanded to observe His Sabbaths and to refrain from eating unclean animals and some guy says that we should rebel against what God has commanded, then it is a very clear choice that we must obey God rather than him.
Ecumenical creeds, Christian Church since early times and the New Testament are our pillars of how to live.
To support that Jesus is Christ. Not to place the Law on Gentiles.
Even Christ Himself did not keep Sabbath and cancelled some of the OT Laws, for example about hating enemies or about divorce. He was talking about new wine (new teaching) quite frequently.
What does your response have to do with answering my yes or no question?
Do you think that Jesus and the Apostles took the position that we should only follow what they said but not what they considered to be an authoritative source? In Matthew 4:15-23, Jesus began his ministry with the Gospel message to repent for the Kingdom of God is at hand, which was a light to the Gentiles, and the Torah was how his audience knew what sin is (Romans 3:20), so repenting from our disobedience to it is a central part of the Gospel message. Sp what would be the point of spreading a Gospel message as a light to Gentiles calling for repentance from our disobedience to the Torah if Gentiles has no obligation to refrain from doing what God has revealed to be sin through the Torah?
Sin is the transgression of the Torah (1 John 3:4), so the position that Jesus was sinless is the position that he never broke it while the position that he broke it is the position that he sinned and is therefore not our Savior. In Deuteronomy 4:2, it is a sin to add to or subtract from the Torah, so the position that Jesus cancelled some of its laws is also the position that he sinned and is therefore not our Savior.
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It was a wrong question. I explained to you how it is in reality.
This is also a wrong question. The situation is different, it is not like this. We are to follow the Holy Spirit in church, which leads to ecumenical creeds and explains how to understand the New Testament, how to work with the Old Testament, what from the life of Jesus or from the life of apostles is for us today etc.
Πᾶς ὁ ποιῶν τὴν ἁμαρτίαν καὶ τὴν ἀνομίαν ποιεῖ, καὶ ἡ ἁμαρτία ἐστὶν ἡ ἀνομία.
Probably not a good idea to think any of that is infallible.
