Saved, what is it & why the confusion as to how ?

[quietthinker]

Rom 10:1-3 - who is Paul referring to ?
6 verses later, who is Paul stating "confess by mouth" to ?
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

God has tender feeling for all the inhabitants of Earth. They are so tender in fact that the Majesty of Heaven visited for the purpose of revealing this.
Make a 'religion' out of this and his sojourns purpose is missed.

 

[Ezra]

Hey Ez, thanks for your response.
Regarding Salvation I look to the teachings of Christ through Paul since as of Acts 9:15 only Paul Rom 11:13, Rom 15:16, Gal 2:7-9 was given the role to teach Salvation to the gentiles/heathen/UNcircumcision.
Are you aware of any teachings from Paul that teach a believer saved/sealed by the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 Gospel can become UNsaved/UNsealed ?
As yet, I don't know of any.

there is more than just paul teaching. my advice is live the life to the best you can. if you fall get back up simply ask for forgiveness we do have a advocate ... we can have our security in Christ.. but its not a excuse/license to do as we please . paul wrote this such as ye were

9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,


10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners shall inherit the Kingdom of God.


11 And such were some of you. But ye are washed, ye are sanctified, ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God.


12 “All things are lawful unto me,” but all things are not expedient. “All things are lawful for me,” but I will not be brought under the power of any.

note verse 11 past tense if you refuse to repent refuse to come out of the pig pen odds are you was never saved.

 

[Ezra]

Rom 10:1-3 - who is Paul referring to ?
6 verses later, who is Paul stating "confess by mouth" to ?
1Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.
2For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

your making a mountain out of this

 

[Taken]

Who is Paul addressing/referring to ? :)His brethen, his kinsmen according to the flesh

[/QUOTE]

Paul’s Kinsman according to the Flesh ARE “ALL” Jews AND Gentiles.

 

[GodsGrace]

not water baptism your sealed with the h.s the moment your saved
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Let's expound on this a little:

In the early church being sealed meant being baptized.
When the NT states that a person is sealed...it means he was baptized.

So I can't say that we're SEALED the moment we believe...
based on how the early Christians understood this term.

You're using the term incorrectly (as do most Christians)....so communication becomes difficult.

Let's clarify like this:

We are saved the moment we come to believe.
We are sealed at baptism.

 

[LoveYeshua]

1. Saved = enter eternal life.
2. By belief/faith/trust in ONLY the death/burial/resurrection of Christ 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
3. As taught by Christ through His Acts 9:15, Acts 13:2 ONLY appointed Apostle Rom 11:13 & Minister Rom 15:16 to believers Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15 today.
4. The other Apostles confirmed it Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9.
ALL confusion & doubts stops once you accept what Christ taught that applies to believers 'TODAY' :)

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”
(Gospel of Luke 6:46)

Jesus spoke this to show that true faith is not only words. It is obedience. Calling Him “Lord” means nothing if we refuse to follow what He commands. Just after this, He gives the example of the wise man who builds on the rock, the one who hears His sayings and does them.

 

[Taken]

Your pride/ego will stop you from reading & learning

Paul's "Mystery" - doctrine.org

Let a man so account of us, as of the ministers of Christ, and stewards of the secrets of God (1 Corinthians 4.1). Now to Him who is able to establish you according to my gospel and the preaching of…

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Paul’s “mystery” is no longer “a mystery” to those who ARE “Learned”.

Paul is my Kinsman according to the Flesh.
Paul is my Brethren according to the Spirit.

When Paul spoke (2,000 + years ago)…
Where Paul geographically spoke (Rome)…
IS IRRELEVANT.
* WHO Paul WAS…
…(Christ Appointed Apostle)
* MY Relationship TO Paul…
…(Kinsman AND Brethren)
* WHAT Paul SPOKE…
…(The Lord Gods Truth)
Carries the Weight and Relevance…

**** I know WHY…
You appear to not know WHY

The OP Salvation Topic…

* Some Alive (ie. persons) are walking About THIS Earth “ALREADY” Saved.

* Some Alive (ie. persons) are walking About THIS Earth “WHO SHALL BECOME” Saved.

* Some Alive (ie.persons) are walking About THIS Earth “WHO ARE NOT” Saved.

* Some Alive (ie. persons) are walking About THIS Earth “WHO SHALL NEVER BECOME SAVED”.

I KNOW WHY…
You appear “unlearned” and “without understanding”…as to HOW or WHY….
And deflect to another Topic…where your “understanding” is also amiss.

 

[Taken]

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”
(Gospel of Luke 6:46)

Jesus spoke this to show that true faith is not only words. It is obedience. Calling Him “Lord” means nothing if we refuse to follow what He commands.

Not “command-“S”… Rather “ONE SPECIFIC COMMAND.”

What do you think THAT ONE Command…and it’s OBEDIENCE …
WAS THEN….IS NOW?

 

[LoveYeshua]

Not “command-“S”… Rather “ONE SPECIFIC COMMAND.”

What do you think THAT ONE Command…and it’s OBEDIENCE …
WAS THEN….IS NOW?

No not one command, the Ten Commandments, the covenant.

A young man came to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?” Jesus answered him, “Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.”Matthew 19:16–17 (ASV).

Here is the setting;

A rich young ruler approached Jesus sincerely. He wanted eternal life. He believed there must be something he should do. Jesus first pointed him to God as the only true source of goodness. Then Jesus gave a clear answer: if you want to enter life, keep the commandments.

The man then asked, “Which?” Jesus listed commandments from the law: Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother, and Love thy neighbor as thyself. These come from the Ten Commandments and from the law given through Moses.

This shows something important. Jesus did not say the commandments were gone. He did not say they no longer mattered. He connected eternal life with obedience to God’s commandments.

But the story does not stop there.

The young man said he had kept these from his youth. Then Jesus showed him where his heart was still attached. He told him to sell what he had, give to the poor, and follow Him. The man went away sorrowful, because he had great possessions.

So what is the context teaching us?

Keeping the commandments is not only about outward actions. It is about the heart. The man kept many commandments outwardly, but his love for riches was greater than his love for God. Jesus exposed that. The first commandment is to have no other gods before the Lord. For that man, wealth had become his god.

Jesus’ words show that entering life requires obedience to God, and that obedience must be real, from the heart, not only in appearance. It also shows that following Jesus is not separate from the commandments. To follow Him is to obey God fully.

In simple words: eternal life is not gained by empty words. It is walked in by those who keep God’s commandments and are willing to let go of anything that stands between them and God.

 

[Wrangler]

Saved, what is it & why the confusion as to how ?

By belief/faith/trust in ONLY the death/burial/resurrection of Christ

The "confusion" is rooted in profound laziness. You won the lottery but consider cashing the check "working" for it, which is beneath you. You are drowning at sea and when the Coast Guard throws a life preserver, consider reaching for it tantamount to saving yourself.

Although the terms are used interchangeably, belief and faith are separated by action. Anyone can say they believe anything. Action reveals the truth of their beliefs. Jesus did not suffer and die horribly on cross so we could sin with impunity! God's kingdom will NOT be breached by lip service. Scripture repeatedly makes this point. From CEV translation:
1 John 2:4-6

But if we claim to know him and don't obey him, we are lying and the truth isn't in our hearts. 5 We truly love God only when we obey him as we should, and then we know we belong to him. 6 If we say we are his, we must follow the example of Christ.​

1 John 3:10

10 You can tell God's children from the devil's children, because those who belong to the devil refuse to do right or to love each other.
Luke 22:31-32
Jesus said, “Simon, listen to me! Satan has demanded the right to test each one of you, as a farmer does when he separates wheat from the husks.[a] 32 But Simon, I have prayed that your faith will be strong. And when you have come back to me, help the others.” (The test is action in the face of adversity.)​

How more clear can it be? True faith is action, work. (This is not plural works, not saving yourself) True faith is not sitting pretty claiming to be saved, while doing nothing to advance God's Kingdom starting with how you carry yourself, your choices, what kind of witness you are to the truth.

 

[GodsGrace]

No not one command, the Ten Commandments, the covenant.

A young man came to Jesus and asked, “Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?” Jesus answered him, “Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.”Matthew 19:16–17 (ASV).

Here is the setting;

A rich young ruler approached Jesus sincerely. He wanted eternal life. He believed there must be something he should do. Jesus first pointed him to God as the only true source of goodness. Then Jesus gave a clear answer: if you want to enter life, keep the commandments.

The man then asked, “Which?” Jesus listed commandments from the law: Do not kill, Do not commit adultery, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor thy father and mother, and Love thy neighbor as thyself. These come from the Ten Commandments and from the law given through Moses.

This shows something important. Jesus did not say the commandments were gone. He did not say they no longer mattered. He connected eternal life with obedience to God’s commandments.

But the story does not stop there.

The young man said he had kept these from his youth. Then Jesus showed him where his heart was still attached. He told him to sell what he had, give to the poor, and follow Him. The man went away sorrowful, because he had great possessions.

So what is the context teaching us?

Keeping the commandments is not only about outward actions. It is about the heart. The man kept many commandments outwardly, but his love for riches was greater than his love for God. Jesus exposed that. The first commandment is to have no other gods before the Lord. For that man, wealth had become his god.

Jesus’ words show that entering life requires obedience to God, and that obedience must be real, from the heart, not only in appearance. It also shows that following Jesus is not separate from the commandments. To follow Him is to obey God fully.

In simple words: eternal life is not gained by empty words. It is walked in by those who keep God’s commandments and are willing to let go of anything that stands between them and God.

I like the above and agree, of course.
But how about this?

We're to put God first.
The rich YM loved his money more than God.

Jesus told him to do the one thing he could not do.

I wonder if we all have one thing we could not do?

 

[Taken]

No not one command, the Ten Commandments, the covenant.

Mean Nothing to a man… without…ETERNAL BELIEF!


Glory to God,
Taken

 

[ShineTheLight]

God has tender feeling for all the inhabitants of Earth. They are so tender in fact that the Majesty of Heaven visited for the purpose of revealing this.
Make a 'religion' out of this and his sojourns purpose is missed.

Does he still have orders to punish people for doing evil?

 

[amigo de christo]

“22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. ”
Matthew 7:22-23 KJV

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Do you not think those described above believed in the death, resurrection, and ascension of Christ?

What caused them to be lost, even though they believed and acted, even ministered, on that belief?

simple .
what JESUS or jesus did they truly beleive in .
Many can lip verbatum the gopsel , heck so could i myself decades ago .
DIDNT mean i knew him
SEEING i sure didnt follow IN HIS FOOTSTEPS , but rather in footsteps of the sin i so lo ved .
JESUS did not come to allow sin and unbelief upon us . HECK all were already walking in that .
JESUS didnt come so we could feel saved IN OUR SIN as we follow another jesus that ac cepts our sin .
And any jesus , therefore , that is fine with sin , allows us to remain in sin , in trangression and even calls evil good and good evil
WELL I guess ya know why that jesus was not captilized by me . cause it aint JESUS .
I think most have about zero idea of what the new covenant actuallly does .
n oT ONLY does it save us by faith in CHRIST , BUT BY THE HOLY GHOST
the LAW WOULD HAVE BEEN WRITTEN UPON OUR HEARTS . Something me thinks most folks have NO IDEA .
A new creation . a new man . one that worships GOD in SPIRIT and IN TRUTH .

 

[amigo de christo]

“And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”
(Gospel of Luke 6:46)

Jesus spoke this to show that true faith is not only words. It is obedience. Calling Him “Lord” means nothing if we refuse to follow what He commands. Just after this, He gives the example of the wise man who builds on the rock, the one who hears His sayings and does them.

you mean like this .
THIS PEOPLE HONORS ME WITH THEIR LIPS but THEIR HEART IS FAR FROM ME .
OH you are on to something very true indeed my friend .
And if most all of c hristendom knew it , THEY WOULD cower in total terror , run and beg and plead
to GOD for forgivness . AND IF THEY DID they would have been forgiven .
But not this people . they only DOUBLE DOWN on rebellion they think is the love of GOD .
but boy has their love led them into upmost hatred against scriptures that expose their sins
and ag ainst the sheep who do bring such words . Things just aint looking good at all for this last hour generation .

 

[amigo de christo]

I like the above and agree, of course.
But how about this?

We're to put God first.
The rich YM loved his money more than God.

Jesus told him to do the one thing he could not do.

I wonder if we all have one thing we could not do?

Thanks for that reminder . Now allow me to be a wee bit more grave .
HE who loveth mother , father , son , daughter , wife , husband or etc MORE THAN ME is NOT WORTHY OF ME .
SO , YEAH YOUR RIGHT WE SHOULD HAVE PUT GOD FIRST . but todays false love
has made humanity as GOD and done all to PLEASE man , NOT GOD . and it wont save them either .
IT will DESTORY THEM ALL on the DAY OF THE LORD whom their love and thier ways DENIED .
Sounds grave . BUT not nearly as grave as JESUS DID or the true apostels . YEt still
folks see me as the judgmental hater . I JUST wonder , if they see my dire warnings as being hateful and jugmental
THEN HOW ON EARTH had they seen THE REAL JESUS , OR TRUE APOSTELS if such came as men
INTO THEIR CHURCHES TODAY .
NO need to answer . THEY HAD RUN THEM OUT FAST . oh yeah , THEY HAD RUN THEM OUT .

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

1. Saved = enter eternal life.
2. By belief/faith/trust in ONLY the death/burial/resurrection of Christ 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
3. As taught by Christ through His Acts 9:15, Acts 13:2 ONLY appointed Apostle Rom 11:13 & Minister Rom 15:16 to believers Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15 today.
4. The other Apostles confirmed it Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9.
ALL confusion & doubts stops once you accept what Christ taught that applies to believers 'TODAY' :)

Yep and many frame it this way so they can continue living in sin claiming to still be saved.

And if you call them out for their sinful behavior they play the old tire excuse of "judge not" as though others are supposed to ignore what God's Word says and play like those living in sin are still saved when they are not.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

That's doing your work for you.

Hey you are the one wanting to see scripture references.

So post them up homie!

 

[GodsGrace]

""I am sorry, but I will not be having this conversation.""
""SOLA SCRIPTURA is NOT sufficient.""
Another false teacher destroyed by the writings of the Bible.
Bye bye :)

YOUR verses created the conflict....
NOT MINE!

It's up to you to now resolve the conflict....
if you can.

AND
this is why SOLA SCRIPTURA,,,,a calvinist ideology...
is NOT SUFFICIENT to understand scripture.

WHO is the false teacher?
The one following the Apostles and the teachings THEY passed on...

or a person in 2026 that is following the teachings of a modern-day preacher?

2 Timothy 4:
2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction.

3 For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.

4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. 5 But you, keep your head in all situations, endure hardship, do the work of an evangelist, discharge all the duties of your ministry.

 

[GodsGrace]

Hey you are the one wanting to see scripture references.

So post them up homie!

Not my job BB.

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