Saved, what is it & why the confusion as to how ?

[amigo de christo]

A few legit questions not for the sake of argument;
How does one becomes sealed and knows they are sealed? what about the book of life?, some scripture say a name can be removed from the book of life?

The Spirit by which you were sealed AFTER you beleived .
And if a man continues not in me he is cast out .
Lets look at a few reminders .
The gospel by which you are saved , IF you keep in memory what i have preached unto you .
paul to the corinthians .
John to the church , IF that which ye have HEARD shall remain in you , you SHALL continue in the SON and in the FATHER .
Peter . Seeing you know these things
BEWARE lest you be taken in with the error of the wicked and FALL from your own steadfastness .
Paul again to the church .
FOR we are made partakers of Christ , IF WE HOLD the beginning of our confidence firm to the END .
Jesus warned
they warned . Faithful unto the end . By the SPIRIT we have all we need to do so .
And by that same SPIRIT we had reminded folks with all the same reminders that they did .
GOD KNOWS , THUS CHRIST KNOWS , THUS the SPIRIT KNOWS
how to keep one safe and from falling . EVERY Word of GOD , inspired of GOD
is good for the hearer and the doer . But woe to the man who twists and omits such scriptures
for they do so unto their own destruction .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes… “IF WE” are they who were “crucified bodily with Christ…
A bodily death accounted.
Thereafter “they live IN Christ Jesus’ risen Body”…. Called IN Christ….until their own body is risen up (rapture).

Glory to God,
Taken

These things i write unto you so that you may KNOW you have eternal life
and that you MAY beleive on the Name of the SON of GOD .
And now a word
He who believes on me though he were d ead yet shall he live . And HE who beleives on me shall NEVER die .
THAT BE , HE BE , THE ONLY HOPE one has , THE ONLY way for eternal life .
May we keep that in mind and have no part in anything ecumeincal ever again .
That aint who they pointed too . Fat lie was what they pointed too and they did not do it in a corner
but on s tage for all to see .
If we claim TO BELEIVE ON JESUS the CHRIST , HIS GOSPEL
then We had BELEIVED HIS WORDS , HIS G OSPLE .
there is no belief and unbeleif , THERE IS ONLY BELEIF , OR only UNBELEIF . IT cannot be both .
Thus interreligious dialgoue IS OF ANTI CHRIST as it lied to all the false religions and christendom
and said we all serve the same God in different ways .
Taken . two plus two is four . And ONE MUST ABSOLUTELY BELIEVE ON JESUS to be saved .
two plus two is not five , THUS ANY other so called number , so called belief of another religion, OH it dont save .
Thus is one believes it was not necessary for them other religoins to have repented and beleived on JESUS
THEY DONT BELIEVE the very gopsel they try and claim they do .
Cause the gospel by which ye are saved , DARN SURE SAID HE WHO BELIEVES
and its AUTHOR , as well as the apostels warned of the damantion to come upon all who failed to BELIEvE ON JESUS .
So lets not walk into another gospel no matter how loving and broad and inclusive a path it makes .
ITS THE BROAD PATH , OR THE NARROW ONE . But by golly IT CANNOT BE BOTH .

 

[Taken]

These things i write unto you so that you may KNOW you have eternal life

Already KNOW

and that you MAY beleive on the Name of the SON of GOD .

Already Shared I DO.

And now a word
He who believes on me though he were dead yet shall he live .

Crucified With Jesus’ body, Yet am Living.

And HE who beleives on me shall NEVER die .

Already eternally Alive.

THAT BE , HE BE , THE ONLY HOPE one has , THE ONLY way for eternal life .

That NOT the ONLY HOPE.

They IN Christ IS THE ONLY “ASSURED” Way an alive man Knows his Salvation IS “SECURE”.

Israel continues TO Hope and Wait for God to Save His People ISRAEL.

May we keep that in mind and have no part in anything ecumeincal ever again .

Don’t appreciate your attempt to include “me”, in “your” whatever, whenever participation in ecumenical views.

 

[Ezra]

So, I'm RIGHT that we need baptizing for what YOU call the "INFILLING".

strange fire only you can prevent Forrest fires . water baptism follows salvation your trying to include works

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes… “IF WE” are they who were “crucified bodily with Christ…
A bodily death accounted.
Thereafter “they live IN Christ Jesus’ risen Body”…. Called IN Christ….until their own body is risen up (rapture).

Glory to God,
Taken

You're not going to remember this...
but I remember having this conversation with you about 8 years or so ago.

I remember because of the term you used:
BEING CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST

And I liked how you explained it.

PS
It means you're consistent.

 

[GodsGrace]

strange fire only you can prevent Forrest fires . water baptism follows salvation your trying to include works

Where's my apology?

And, yes sir, WORKS are INCLUDED in our salvation.

Do YOU obey Jesus?

Do YOU do what Jesus taught?

Then yes,,,then I do hope you're doing the good works HE said we are to do.

 

[Ezra]

Where's my apology?

And, yes sir, WORKS are INCLUDED in our salvation.

your apology ? for saying strange fire ? sorry don't think so obey Jesus believing is a type of obeying him we are saved by grace through faith NOT OF WORKS unless man should be boast it is the gift of God. which is freely given freely received i dont have time for this i have a church to pastor this morning...

 

[Taken]

You're not going to remember this...
but I remember having this conversation with you about 8 years or so.

I remember because of the term you used:
BEING CRUCIFIED WITH CHRIST

And I liked how you explained it.

PS
It means you're consistent.

Verifying…We ( the Justified, Sanctified, Saved, Quickened )
IN Christ…

1 Cor 12: whole Chapt good review)
[12] For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

[13] For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

[27] Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Christ IN (the Saved)…

John 14:
[17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him:
^ uncommitted belief
…but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
^ Jesus revealing Before His crucifion.
[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.
John.15

[4] Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.

[18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you.

[19] Yet a little while, and the world seeth me no more; but ye see me: because I live, ye shall live also.

[20] At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.

Glory to God, Faithful and True,
Taken

 

[Taken]

THERE IS ONLY BELEIF , OR only UNBELEIF . IT cannot be both .

Who SAID there is Both? No one.

THERE IS ONLY BELEIF , OR only UNBELEIF

Patently and Scripturally False.

There IS unConfessed Belief
(God Shall Save)

There IS Confessed Belief.
(God gave to Jesus)

There IS Non-Belief.
(to be Eternally Separated from God, destroyed, forgotten)

John 5:
[21] For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.


John 10:
[27] My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
[28] And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
[29] My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

 

[Ezra]

its really not going to matter what scriptures we post that shows his error. 1 his mind is made up 2. we are all wrong .this is a repeat of doug

 

[GodsGrace]

your apology ? for saying strange fire ? sorry don't think so obey Jesus believing is a type of obeying him we are saved by grace through faith NOT OF WORKS unless man should be boast it is the gift of God. which is freely given freely received i dont have time for this i have a church to pastor this morning...

your apology ? for saying strange fire ? sorry don't think so obey Jesus believing is a type of obeying him we are saved by grace through faith NOT OF WORKS unless man should be boast it is the gift of God. which is freely given freely received i dont have time for this i have a church to pastor this morning...

You're the pastor of a church?

1.

I'd like to post this for you.
Jesus' brother stated it.
He was a major figure in the early church...
and THE elder of Jerusalem.
He was one of the 5 Popes of that time. Bet you didn't know that.
You might want to look into this.
Plain and simple church history.


James 3:1
1 Do not become teachers in large numbers, my brothers, since you know that we who are teachers will incur a [a]stricter judgment.


2.

You are the Pastor of a church....
stating that getting baptized...a commandment of Jesus...
IS A WORK.

Which, tranlated, means,
OBEYING JESUS IS A WORK.


3.
You accused me of something of which I was not responsible.

I asked you to go back and reread the posts since you were WRONG.

You did not do so, and here, again, you are disobeying Jesus.

Matthew 5:23
23 Therefore, if you are presenting your [n]offering at the altar, and there you remember that your brother has something against you, [or YOU have something against HIM] 24 leave your [o]offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your [p]offering.

Next time you receive communion, I hope you remember that you falsely accussed me and did not apologize.

We are to follow all of Jesus' commandments.
If we DO NOT,,,we are being LAWLESS.


Matthew 7:23
23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; leave Me, you who practice lawlessness.’


God will have mercy on the souls of those following your teachings.

 

[GodsGrace]

its really not going to matter what scriptures we post that shows his error. 1 his mind is made up 2. we are all wrong .this is a repeat of doug

LOL

1. Is YOUR mind made up? Guess YOU still have an open mind !!

2. Are YOU always right? Guess not since you criticize those that think others are always wrong.


You're one funny dude Ezra.

 

[Ezra]

LOL

1. Is YOUR mind made up? Guess YOU still have an open mind !!

2. Are YOU always right? Guess not since you criticize those that think others are always wrong.


You're one funny dude Ezra.

were done i have no time for fables hold your breath till i apologize. because i did not to apologize for

 

[GodsGrace]

were done i have no time for fables hold your breath till i apologize. because i did not to apologize for

Yes sir.
But you do have the time to misrepresent members on this Forum.

You sure do set a good example!

Yes sir...you sound like a really nice fella...
Yeah.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

But you do have the time to misrepresent members on this Forum.

Sounds like you fellas have a mexican stand off going on there

Or, like some in mexico say, "we just call it a stand off senior"

 

[soberxp]

1. Saved = enter eternal life.
2. By belief/faith/trust in ONLY the death/burial/resurrection of Christ 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
3. As taught by Christ through His Acts 9:15, Acts 13:2 ONLY appointed Apostle Rom 11:13 & Minister Rom 15:16 to believers Gal 3:28, 1 Cor 12:13, Col 3:11, Gal 6:15 today.
4. The other Apostles confirmed it Acts 15:6-25, Gal 2:7-9.
ALL confusion & doubts stops once you accept what Christ taught that applies to believers 'TODAY' :)

If we must speak with absolute precision, then no one can be justified by observing the law.
The key is to believe in Jesus Christ. When should one believe? Before death, after death, or at some other time?
As for those who take part in the first resurrection, why will they reign with Christ for a thousand years? Over whom will they reign? Over the dead? Over those who experience the second death? How can the dead be ruled?

In my view, no one is worthy of salvation or justification. Strictly speaking, no matter how many times you repent, you cannot be justified by keeping the law.
It is only through faith in Jesus Christ—and this faith must be immense,
so immense that it is difficult, to the point where you might not even be able to believe in Jesus Christ.

So, ask yourself: Do you believe everything Jesus Christ said? And how can you distinguish whether the words come from Jesus Christ or from something else?

 

[Ezra]

Sounds like you fellas have a mexican stand off going on there

Or, like some in mexico say, "we just call it a stand off senior" View attachment 79892

nah i just have no time for water salvation or water sealing of the spirit

 

[rvmb]

If we must speak with absolute precision, then no one can be justified by observing the law.
The key is to believe in Jesus Christ. When should one believe? Before death, after death, or at some other time?
As for those who take part in the first resurrection, why will they reign with Christ for a thousand years? Over whom will they reign? Over the dead? Over those who experience the second death? How can the dead be ruled?

In my view, no one is worthy of salvation or justification. Strictly speaking, no matter how many times you repent, you cannot be justified by keeping the law.
It is only through faith in Jesus Christ—and this faith must be immense,
so immense that it is difficult, to the point where you might not even be able to believe in Jesus Christ.

So, ask yourself: Do you believe everything Jesus Christ said? And how can you distinguish whether the words come from Jesus Christ or from something else?

"If we must speak with absolute precision, then no one can be justified by observing the law. ""
""In my view, no one is worthy of salvation or justification. Strictly speaking, no matter how many times you repent, you cannot be justified by keeping the law.""
Exactly what Paul taught.
**
""The key is to believe in Jesus Christ. When should one believe? Before death, after death, or at some other time? ""
Today >> 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13
**
""So, ask yourself: Do you believe everything Jesus Christ said? And how can you distinguish whether the words come from Jesus Christ or from something else?""
I believe GOD is powerful enough to ensure the Bible we have today is not from 'something else'

 

[GodsGrace]

Sounds like you fellas have a mexican stand off going on there

Or, like some in mexico say, "we just call it a stand off senior" View attachment 79892

It's due to YOUR dumb statement that you made without checking out what you were even talking about.

You like arguing BB.
This is not very Christianly of you.

Go ahead....
argue some more.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

nah i just have no time for water salvation or water sealing of the spirit

So when Jesus said ye must be baptized, you just stick your tongue out at Him and go na na na na??
Kinda like this?

It's due to YOUR dumb statement that you made without checking out what you were even talking about.

Yer diaper must be dirty