Who is "the god of this world"? God or satan?

[David in NJ]

No.
First Adam and last Adam.
Alpha Adam & the Omega Adam.
It's hard to explain for the Alpha & the Omega,the First and Last.

If we use scientific terms, it would be called a time tunnel. Jesus was both the last Adam and the first Adam, but not the first Adam who was with Eve,Because he did not obey the words of God, only Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son who obediently follows God's words.

That is not what the Scripture declares.

The "first" Adam was not a "time travel" of JESUS.

SEE here = 1 Corinthians 15:21-22
But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep.
For since by man came death, by Man(SON of GOD) also came the resurrection of the dead.
For as in Adam(first) all die,

And so it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being.”
The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.

However, the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual.

The first man was of the earth, made of dust;
the second Man is the Lord from heaven.

As was the man of dust, so also are those who are made of dust;
and as is the heavenly Man, so also are those who are heavenly.

And as we have borne the image of the man of dust,
we shall also bear the image of the heavenly Man.

 

[soberxp]

That is not what the Scripture declares.

The "first" Adam was not a "time travel" of JESUS.

First I didn't use the word of "time travel".
There being time tunnels and being able to travel through time are two different things in this world.

Second I said Jesus Christ is not the Adam with Eve.

Do you believe that at the same moment the world came into being, you also came into being, or were you still nothing when the world began?

At what point did Jesus Christ come into existence?

Then how can He exist at both the beginning and the end?

If Jesus has dwelt in the kingdom of heaven from the very beginning and has been obedient to God, then why did God not intervene, prevent, or correct when Adam was deceived by Satan? This is where the key difference lies.

1. God never declared that Adam, formed from the dust, was His beloved Son.

2. God declared that Jesus Christ alone is His beloved Son.

3. Do you understand what this distinction truly means?

The distinction means this: Jesus Christ did not exist from the very beginning, yet He claimed to be so. Then the question arises—how can this be explained clearly?

 

[David in NJ]

At what point did Jesus Christ come into existence?

The WORD that was GOD left Heaven when HE entered into Mary's womb via the HOLY SPIRIT.

Only the physical flesh body came into existence when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary = Hebrews 10:5-7 and Luke 1:34-35

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”

And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you;
therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.

Then how can He exist at both the beginning and the end?

SIMPLE = HE Always EXISTED as ELOHIM

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

HE always EXISTED
John 1:2 - He was in the beginning with God.

HE is the Alpha and the Omega because ALL THINGS were CREATED thru HIM
John 1:3 - All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Conclusion of TRUTH
HE is the Alpha and the Omega because HE is the Beginning and the End of the Eternal Purpose of ELOHIM for Man made in the Image of ELOHIM.
GENESIS is the BEGINNING = In the Beginning ELOHIM
REVELATION is the END(COMPLETION)
And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.
In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.

 

[soberxp]

The WORD that was GOD left Heaven when HE entered into Mary's womb via the HOLY SPIRIT.

Only the physical flesh body came into existence when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary = Hebrews 10:5-7 and Luke 1:34-35

Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

Then Mary said to the angel, “How can this be, since I do not know a man?”

And the angel answered and said to her, “The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Highest will overshadow you;
therefore, also, that Holy One who is to be born will be called the Son of God.


SIMPLE = HE Always EXISTED as ELOHIM

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

HE always EXISTED
John 1:2 - He was in the beginning with God.

HE is the Alpha and the Omega because ALL THINGS were CREATED thru HIM
John 1:3 - All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made.

Conclusion of TRUTH
HE is the Alpha and the Omega because HE is the Beginning and the End of the Eternal Purpose of ELOHIM for Man made in the Image of ELOHIM.
GENESIS is the BEGINNING = In the Beginning ELOHIM
REVELATION is the END(COMPLETION)
And he showed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding from the throne of God and of the Lamb.
In the middle of its street, and on either side of the river, was the tree of life, which bore twelve fruits, each tree yielding its fruit every month. The leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him. They shall see His face, and His name shall be on their foreheads. There shall be no night there: They need no lamp nor light of the sun, for the Lord God gives them light. And they shall reign forever and ever.

If you are planning to have a child with your wife or husband, do you have many thoughts beforehand? What kind of appearance should the child have in the future? What kind of personality should it have? An image will first come to your mind.

Sober 1:1 In the beginning was the mind, and the mind was with father, and the mind was father.

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Yep, but don't tell that flat earth yankee that.

Understanding truth is not his strong suit

 

[David in NJ]

If you are planning to have a child with your wife or husband, do you have many thoughts beforehand? What kind of appearance should the child have in the future? What kind of personality should it have? An image will first come to your mind.

Sober 1:1 In the beginning was the mind, and the mind was with father, and the mind was father.

John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Keep your heart, mind and soul in love with the LORD Jesus Christ.
Believe every word that HE has Spoken to us for Salvation, Sanctification and Eternal Life

The Word was God = HE was not just a "thought" or "mind"

We cannot change God's words to fit our understanding.

There is great DANGER of Judgement for all who alter God's words = Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Revelation 21:8 = "all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

SHALOM

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Revelation 21:8 = "all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

Yeah, them flat earthers are in big trouble for lying about the earth

Here's your new cell mate in the after life!

 

[soberxp]

Yep, but don't tell that flat earth yankee that.

Understanding truth is not his strong suit View attachment 79896

I have been try my best to explain for the The relationship between marriage and understanding biblical terms.

 

[David in NJ]

Yeah, them flat earthers are in big trouble for lying about the earth

Here's your new cell mate in the after life!

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WATER does not lie = for GOD does not lie.

If you were to believe Genesis/Creation, you would SEE that which the satanists/globalists have altered you understanding under them.

GOOD THING that our Salvation is NOT dependent upon knowing the shape of the earth.

If it were, you would never make it to Eternal Life

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

GOOD THING that our Salvation is NOT dependent upon knowing the shape of the earth.

If it were, you would never make it to Eternal Life

Hilarious!

You claim liars go to hell and then lie about the earth claiming it's flat

 

[ewq1938]

First Adam and last Adam.

Jesus is never called the first Adam though.

 

[rvmb]

Hilarious!

You claim liars go to hell and then lie about the earth claiming it's flat View attachment 79904

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Rev 7:1 ... four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, ..
and square, flat and square
Ask for a map :)

 

[David in NJ]

Hilarious!

You claim liars go to hell and then lie about the earth claiming it's flat View attachment 79904

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WATER proves GENESIS is Factual Science

GENESIS proves NASA is Satan's Global Deception

Dumb-Downed 'christians' feed from the mouth of NASA/Satan

UP-Star Saints believe every word that proceeds from the Mouth of GOD = Matt 4:4

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Rev 7:1 ... four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, ..
and square, flat and square
Ask for a map :)

That's hilarious that the carnal minded among us think this proves the world is flat

You obviously have never been on a long plane trip where you can see the curvature of the earth and notice that after flying thousands of miles you can no longer see the airport you flew out from

You obviously have never seen the thousands of videos from rockets as they go up in to space where from that view point the earth is a globe.

It's comedy hour up in here once again!

 

[rvmb]

That's hilarious that the carnal minded among us think this proves the world is flat View attachment 79935

You obviously have never been on a long plane trip where you can see the curvature of the earth and notice that after flying thousands of miles you can no longer see the airport you flew out from

You obviously have never seen the thousands of videos from rockets as they go up in to space where from that view point the earth is a globe.

It's comedy hour up in here once again!
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I'm not a flat earther.
Simple logic totally destroys flat earth nonsense.
eg Why does the Canada see the Northern Star while South Africa cant ?

 

[David in NJ]

I'm not a flat earther.
Simple logic totally destroys flat earth nonsense.
eg Why does the Canada see the Northern Star while South Africa cant ?

GOD Says His Simple Scientific 24/7 TRUTH = WATER
Law of Physics/WATER totally destroys the wisdom/intellect/intelligence of man and the 'global' deception of Satan

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

eg Why does the Canada see the Northern Star while South Africa cant ?

Exactly.

I don't recall running across too many flat earthers until maybe 10 to 12 years ago.

Same thing with people claiming God doesn't allow people to suffer in hell for eternity as Jesus tells us.

The old devil has made him some converts!

 

[rvmb]

Exactly.

I don't recall running across too many flat earthers until maybe 10 to 12 years ago.

Same thing with people claiming God doesn't allow people to suffer in hell for eternity as Jesus tells us.

The old devil has made him some converts!

""allow people to suffer in hell for eternity as Jesus tells us.""

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

""allow people to suffer in hell for eternity as Jesus tells us.""

God's definition of "destroy" is to be separated from Him for all eternity going where the devil is going.

The gifts and callings of God are without repentance meaning He does not take life back once he gives it so no He is not causing people to cease to exist as satan has been telling everyone in his attempts to get many to reject the Lord and go on living their lives in sin believing the lie that God will cause them to cease to exist so they won't have to suffer in hell for eternity with their daddy the devil and all his demons

Everything produces it's own kind (seedtime and harvest) so those belonging to the devil will get the devil's reward

Jesus says those that go to hell will burn in fire that shall NOT be quenched into everlasting punishment

Mark 9:43-44 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched: where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Matthew 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

John 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

2 Thessalonians 1:9
Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Texts like Jude 6, Matthew 8:12, Matthew 22:13, and Matthew 25:30, and 2 Thessalonians 1:9 show that darkness signifies a state of deprivation and distress, not of destruction in the sense of ceasing to exist. Only those who exist can weep and gnash their teeth, as those banished into the darkness are said to do. Luke 16:22–24 shows that fire signifies continued existence in pain as Revelation 14:10 with 19:20 and 20:10, and Matthew 13:42, 50, confirm this.

Another good case against annihilationism is ”And the smoke of their torment rises forever and ever” in Rev. 14:11.

So feel free to continue teaching the lies of the devil claiming Jesus is a liar and MAFO
(Mess around and find out)

 

[ShineTheLight]

I do not believe the verse is speaking about Satan being the God of this world. Satan is called the Prince of the world (not a God and not a King) but not the God of it. Certainly much of the world worships Satan in one form or another but in order to know whom is being spoken of we simply have to use the context:



2 Corinthians 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

Some will say it's a little "g" on god so that means its not God. Not so. There are no capitals vs. small letters in the manuscripts. The small g is purely the translators opinion.


So who was it that "blinded the minds of them which believe not"?

It was God.

John 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.


The HE here is God and this is very similar language. God blinded them so they could not convert and be healed! Isn't that what the other verse is saying?

Romans 11:7 What then? Israel hath not obtained that which he seeketh for; but the election hath obtained it, and the rest were blinded
Romans 11:8 (According as it is written, God hath given them the spirit of slumber, eyes that they should not see, and ears that they should not hear) unto this day.


God does the blinding!

While Satan can be considered a false god of this world, he simply isn't the one being spoken of because it is God which blinds so people cannot convert to Christ and be healed.
There are no capitals in the manuscripts.

Gen_24:3 And I will make thee swear by the LORD, the God of heaven, and the God of the earth, that thou shalt not take a wife unto my son of the daughters of the Canaanites, among whom I dwell:

Isa_54:5 For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.

Revelation 11:4 these are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the god of the earth.

Is this Satan because it is believed that saying "god of something" rather than just "god" means that it isn't the one true God? If Satan is the supposed "god of this world" then he must also be the "god of the earth" right?

Remember, there are no capitals in the manuscripts. god and God are spelled exactly the same way so we can't go by that. Naturally, context matters. Naturally, using other scriptures to help us understand scriptures matter. Forget tradition, forget what has been assumed for generations and look without assumption at all the evidence and decide who is doing the blinding in the world.

There's also this.

Job 12:16
With him is strength and wisdom: the deceived and the deceiver are his.