“Your Father is the Devil”: A Radical Reading of John 8:44 in Light of Religious History

[soberxp]

So you think a burning bush is God?

It's just an CGI effect in the game world.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

It's just an effect in the game world.

So life is a game to you and God is just a playa?

 

[soberxp]

So life is a game to you and God is just a playa?

Just using vivid metaphors,
The Game application was the code, and the code with the writer,and the code was the writer.
And the code became the NPC.
And the code became the son of writer.
Your main task is to believe in Jesus Christ.
Side quests, getting married, having children, working, studying.

 

[JLB]

That's simply speaking of man in his glorified body being untouchable by death which is how God's angels are right now not being limited to a physical body like we are currently.

Man kind is above angels. Jesus went to the Cross for man, but He provided no salvation for angels.

Jesus says those who obtain the resurrection from the dead are EQUAL to the angels and are sons of God.

• for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36


What does equal mean to you?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

What does equal mean to you?

Not what you claim it means.

I'm a born again child of the most High God and right now I'm above the angels having more value to the Lord being IN Christ than all the angels.

Ephesians 1:17-23 tells us man is far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:

Feel free to waller around in the muck and mire if you so desire.

I done moved on the betta things IN Christ Jesus!

 

[JLB]

Not what you claim it means.

What do I claim equal means?

 

[soberxp]

“Your Father is the Devil”:

Does anyone think that their own parents are this devil?

That would be completely wrong—

This devil is the Devil, Satan, the father of lies from the beginning,

All of humanity has become children of Satan and the devil, because humanity did not choose God.

But this has nothing to do with whether you honor your own parents.

No matter whether your own parents are tyrants or kind.

 

[JLB]

I'm a born again child of the most High God and right now I'm above the angels having more value to the Lord being IN Christ than all the angels.

How does this compare to what Jesus taught ?


But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36


What does equal mean to you?

 

[JLB]

Not what you claim it means.

‘The question was what does equal mean to you?

Maybe you don’t know. Maybe that is why you can’t answer a simple question from scripture.

It means just exactly what it says.

Equal to the angels. Like the angels.

Nowhere do we find that Christians are better than angels.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

What do I claim equal means?

Not what Jesus said it means.

What does equal mean to you?

You are a cherry picker who doesn't believe the whole counsel of God.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Nowhere do we find that Christians are better than angels.

It says we are ABOVE all angels and we shall sit in JUDGEMENT over the angels because those of us who are real Christians are IN Christ and we have authority over all angels.

Maybe you'll get born again someday and actually believe the whole counsel of the Lord.

Cherry pickers such as your kind aren't qualified to talk to others about the things of the Lord

 

[JLB]

Not what Jesus said it means.




You are a cherry picker who doesn't believe the whole counsel of God.

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‘What does equal mean to you?

 

[JLB]

It says we are ABOVE all angels and we shall sit in JUDGEMENT over the angels because those of us who are real Christians are IN Christ and we have authority over all angels.

Maybe you'll get born again someday and actually believe the whole counsel of the Lord.

Cherry pickers such as your kind aren't qualified to talk to others about the things of the Lord View attachment 80038

‘Still no scripture just opinion.

This explains much.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

‘What does equal mean to you?

What does raised up above ALL principality and powers not only in this world but in that which is to come mean to you???

What does the Body of Christ judging the angels mean to you???

What does being IN Christ mean to you???

You did understand that God made man in HIS Image, right?

You must have some sort of angel worship going on over there.

Still no scripture just opinion.

This explains much.

I already posted the scriptures the disprove your delusions but since you are apparently a cherry picker that does not accept all that the Lord says in His Word you must have missed them.

You seem pretty slow so maybe this time you can see them

1 Corinthians 6:3
Do you not know that we will judge angels?

Ephesians 1:17-23
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.


Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

 

[JLB]

What does raised up above ALL principality and powers not only in this world but in that which is to come mean to you???

What does the Body of Christ judging the angels mean to you???

What does being IN Christ mean to you???

You did understand that God made man in HIS Image, right?

You must have some sort of angel worship going on over there.




I already posted the scriptures the disprove your delusions but since you are apparently a cherry picker that does not accept all that the Lord says in His Word you must have missed them.

You seem pretty slow so maybe this time you can see them

1 Corinthians 6:3
Do you not know that we will judge angels?

Ephesians 1:17-23
That the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give unto you the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him:
The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints,
And what is the exceeding greatness of his power to us-ward who believe, according to the working of his mighty power,
Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Far above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this world, but also in that which is to come:
And hath put all things under his feet, and gave him to be the head over all things to the church,
Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.


Colossians 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:

‘Not one single scripture that states that Christians are superior to angels.

‘Your thinking is distorted with nonsense feel good, seeker friendly mumbo jumbo, and does not reflect the whole counsel of God.

The angels we will judge are fallen angels. They are under God’s judgement, not God’s holy angels.

Please show me a scripture where the holy angels of God like Michael and Gabriel and the millions of angels that minster to God in worship, as well as minister for those who are heirs of salvation are under judgement.

NONSENSE!

Do angels sin?

Angels that commit sin are cast down to hell.

Do you sin?

Think about that.


When we have our sinless resurrection bodies that are sinless, and shine like the sun, will be be like the angels, having BECOME sons of God.

But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become sons of God, to those who believe in His name: John 1:12

Fully matured and glorious sons of God like the angels are is a process.


Those who have offered their body a living sacrifice and have submitted themselves to God and have their minds renewed and thereby TRANSFORMED into the image of God’s Son, are mature sons of God.


As long as we remain in Christ, and continue the process of transformation will we become sons of God.


Until then you are baby Christian who lives on milk.


Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. 1 John 3:2-3

Until then we are not sons of God as He is.

• and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him

When we obtain the resurrection of the dead, we will become as He is; sons of God, as He is.





Only those who obtain the resurrection of the dead will become equal to the angels and are sons of God.


But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36

• for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

These are the words of Jesus Christ. They are irrefutable.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Not one single scripture that states that Christians are superior to angels.

I guess being IN Christ ain't good enough for ya eh?
1 Corinthians 6:3 says we will sit in judgement over the angels.

Ephesians 1:17-23 says we are ABOVE above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion not only in this world, but also in that which is to come

‘Your thinking is distorted with nonsense feel good, seeker friendly mumbo jumbo, and does not reflect the whole counsel of God.

Hey, you are the one rejecting the plain teaching of God's Word not me.

Please show me a scripture where the holy angels of God like Michael and Gabriel and the millions of angels that minster to God in worship, as well as minister for those who are heirs of salvation are under judgement.

I already did, here it is again:

1 Corinthians 6:3
Do you not know that we will judge angels?

When we have our sinless resurrection bodies that are sinless, and shine like the sun, will be be like the angels, having BECOME sons of God.

Being like an angel is lowering one's self to want to be like the hired help.

We are King's Kids, not employees

Suite your self bud. I'm IN Christ having been born again in the likeness of Jesus Christ Who is certainly above the angels.

Do angels sin?

Angels that commit sin are cast down to hell.

You obviously have not learned that not all judgement is about being sent to hell.

Christians going to Heaven will be judged by the Lord and rewarded according to their deeds.
You should study God's Word more.

Fully matured and glorious sons of God like the angels are is a process.

Sorry to pop your balloon there but God created man in His Image.

He did not created angels in His Image. Angels are not IN Christ as born again men are.

As long as we remain in Christ, and continue the process of transformation will we become sons of God.

I became a son of God when I got born again.

Maybe you should study what it means to be born again.

Beloved, now we are children of God; and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. And everyone who has this hope in Him purifies himself, just as He is pure. 1 John 3:2-3

Those led by the Holy Spirit are the sons of God - Romans 8:14

Beloved, now are we the sons of God - 1 John 3:2

Not gonna be some day... are right now! At least I am according to God's Word.

You should get on board with God's program and ditch the religious stuff

and it has not yet been revealed what we shall be, but we know that when He is revealed, we shall be like Him

That's speaking of us getting our glorified body like Jesus already has.

Only those who obtain the resurrection of the dead will become equal to the angels and are sons of God.

I'm already above the angels right now because I'm IN Christ!

You really should start believing all the Lord says on this topic.

Or not, your call. You do you.

But those who are counted worthy to attain that age, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry nor are given in marriage; nor can they die anymore, for they are equal to the angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection. Luke 20:35-36

That's speaking of man will not be participating in marriage once we are in our glorified bodies like the angels who do not participate in marriage. (angels don't get married to other angels)

These are the words of Jesus Christ. They are irrefutable.

You butchered them pretty badly there

You should pray and ask the Lord to help you rightly divide (understand) the Word of Truth

Or continue to aspire to be like angels while the rest of God's Children are like Jesus right now!

 

[JLB]

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I guess being IN Christ ain't good enough for ya eh?
1 Corinthians 6:3 says we will sit in judgement over the angels.

Ephesians 1:17-23 says we are ABOVE above all principality, and power, and might, and dominion not only in this world, but also in that which is to come




Hey, you are the one rejecting the plain teaching of God's Word not me.




I already did, here it is again:

1 Corinthians 6:3
Do you not know that we will judge angels?




Being like an angel is lowering one's self to want to be like the hired help.

We are King's Kids, not employees

Suite your self bud. I'm IN Christ having been born again in the likeness of Jesus Christ Who is certainly above the angels.




You obviously have not learned that not all judgement is about being sent to hell.

Christians going to Heaven will be judged by the Lord and rewarded according to their deeds.
You should study God's Word more.




Sorry to pop your balloon there but God created man in His Image.

He did not created angels in His Image. Angels are not IN Christ as born again men are.




I became a son of God when I got born again.

Maybe you should study what it means to be born again.




Those led by the Holy Spirit are the sons of God - Romans 8:14

Beloved, now are we the sons of God - 1 John 3:2

Not gonna be some day... are right now! At least I am according to God's Word.

You should get on board with God's program and ditch the religious stuff




That's speaking of us getting our glorified body like Jesus already has.




I'm already above the angels right now because I'm IN Christ!

You really should start believing all the Lord says on this topic.

Or not, your call. You do you.




That's speaking of man will not be participating in marriage once we are in our glorified bodies like the angels who do not participate in marriage. (angels don't get married to other angels)




You butchered them pretty badly there

You should pray and ask the Lord to help you rightly divide (understand) the Word of Truth

Or continue to aspire to be like angels while the rest of God's Children are like Jesus right now!

All this rambling and you still won’t address my question.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

All this rambling and you still won’t address my question.

The Lord has revealed to me that your question is nonsensical and faulty and is not deserving of being addressed.

He said to tell you to get back on believing God's Word!

Besides, your question was answered with scripture but you apparently did not notice.