Near death experience (NDE) and spiritual dreams and visions.

[soberxp]

Don’t believe that. If your grandmother was bodily alive, her soul was IN her, Not departed traveling about.

I would rather believe you experienced A Pleasant thought, smell, an object, sound that reminded you of her.

Glory to God,
Taken

I think you get me wrong, I mean my grandmother was with me on earth, she did not surely die but I meet her soul at the same time....
Understand?

 

[Taken]

I think you get me wrong, I mean my grandmother was with me on earth, she did not surely die but I meet her soul at the same time....
Understand?

Okay, gotcha.

 

[dmdar]

A friend of mine had an NDE-

he was in the psych ward at the local hospital due to mental illness and they gave him a dose of lithium but he had an allergic reaction, he went into tachycardia and collapsed on the floor, the doctors were working on him. While this was happening he claimed to have left his body and was flying through a tunnel of thick wooly clouds with a bright light ahead in the clouds. He was about half way to the light when a voice spoke and said "Go back, it is not your time." He stopped and reversed and was flying backwards and suddenly he was back in his body and woke up!

 

[stevesonthebay]

Not familiar of such claims.

Ai summary
An out of body experience (OBE) is a phenomenon where a person’s center of consciousness temporarily feels as if it is located outside their physical body, often allowing them to view themselves and their surroundings from an elevated or distant perspective. Affecting 10% to 20% of the population, these experiences can be triggered by stress, sleep paralysis, trauma, or, in some cases, induced through meditation and sensory disruption.

Out-of-Body Experience: What’s Really Happening

Out-of-body experiences are a bit of a medical mystery. Find out what experts believe is really going on and whether they pose any health risks.

www.healthline.com

Astral Projection and Out of Body Experiences | Issue 42 | Philosophy Now

Joe Fearn asks whether the idea of out of body experiences is intelligible.

philosophynow.org

I would say, a soul departing it’s body, would momentarily see it’s body and Surrounding, as it was ascending or descending.

Yes there seems to be a intermediate period where its somewhere inbetween the temporal and the supernatural. Which all seems to be happening within the realm of consciousness.

Felt a heaviness, to me, is a physical person trying to describe a spiritual event to the best of their ability. Nothing alarming to me.

I mean literally. Not like when someone is relieved or sighs like they feel heavy with mental exhaustion. But they actually feel themselves taking on their physical body like ists suit. A heavy sack of flesh and broken bones and pain. Before there was not weight, no pain or physicality at all.

I would say…
An (Out of body experience), of the Soul Departing a dead Body and then Returning to the Body, and the Body resume Living…
Is NOTHING NEW.

OBE can happen without the person dying or even near death. Can happen while sleeping, meditation, stress and trauma.

As well … Dreams and Visions are NOTHING NEW.

Considering World Population 5-6 thousand years ago…( a few Ancient documented cases / Visions, Dreams, Departed Soul Experience…
Today, Billions of people, and some claiming same such experiences.
(some may be true, some may be fake…

Yes with modern tech we can now save more people and monitor what happens. But thats sort of the point. Now we are collecting massive data bases of what happens we are see some remarkable themes.

Which sort of lends weight to them not being in the imagination or caused by delusions.

* Interesting part…Anciently in Scriptural records…
*Visions and Dreams…Yes… broadcasted.
* Departed souls, returned to Body, (I don’t find Ancient records of Such “resumed living person”) “their word” describing “their experience”??

Most famous case…Lazarus’ … he speaks nothing of “his soul departure experience”.

Interestingly there have been supposed cases of some people being dead for a day or two coming back. You begin to question what exactly is death. Is there some limbo or pre realm where a persons spirit or consciousness exists and can come back. Making the body a live vessel again.

I would first say…an individual would have to “have” some understanding of the Difference between “his Body and his Soul” and the intent, purpose and role / for each.

I think…”regular” (as you indicate) dreams, lean more on the CARNAL MINDFUL sub-Conscious thoughts your AWAKE Mind / had a fleeting thought, experienced, and dismissed at the (awake) moment, and forgot about.
Yet, every thought, experience your Carnal Mind has thought, (imo), still exists IN the Mind….
Recalled, in Dreams (while sleeping, ie sub-conscious??) possibly…

It seems like there may even be a sort of hierarchy of conscious awareness. Just like in awake life. Dream like states can happen in the psychological mind as well as the spiritual mind. It is a world of many mind states that can be deceptive or qualified. Just like in real life.

Off-hand, I would say no.
Why?
Because Carnal Minded “thoughts, visions, while awake or sleeping”…are Fleshly / Natural…
Opposed to:
Supernatural Visions, “do Not come from what you naturally See, Hear, Imagine.”
Supernatural Visions and Dreams ARE from God Who IS Spirit..

Its it seems we need to ground and qualify dreams and visions in God. Paul mentions that these should be edifying God and His people. I think we can tell the good and bad fruits of the spirit even in dreams and visionsl.

Perhaps an even more important considering this is already based in a mystical realm that can be used for false ideas.

TO that part of a man that it’s Life is spiritual … ie the Soul (which it’s life IS…Gods Breath).
** and noting… Scripture “reveals”…in LAST DAYS… is When “Visions and Dreams”… on a Massive Basis;
Shall be given From God.

All fields of “Science” is discovery and experiments and best guess conclusions.

You under estimate (by a weight measurement) the phenomenal ability of Gods creation and making of a man’s Brain.

I mean how the world sees the brain as an organ. There is no reason that mindless matter should think in the first place. That it does speaks of Gods creation.

If you have ever seen or held a man’s brain (I have)… it looks like old grey stuffing, rolled into something that looks like A dredlock and fixed into two equal domed forms side by side (of sorts)… strange and dull, unassuming and unimpressive.

Yes its amazing that it can think and have dreams and visions. Be aware of itself and have relation with God.

Sure.
With consideration…
The difference between the NATURAL capabilities…
And
The SPIRITUAL Capabilities… God HAS Anciently Given “A Few”… and The Prophecy, not yet come to pass… “END DayS”…MASSES receiving Visions and Dreams…From The Spirit of God.

Is this coming soon. It seems like the right climate.

Thanks for the conversation.
God bless you.

Glory to God,
Taken

Likewise

 

[Rockerduck]

A friend of mine had an NDE-

he was in the psych ward at the local hospital due to mental illness and they gave him a dose of lithium but he had an allergic reaction, he went into tachycardia and collapsed on the floor, the doctors were working on him. While this was happening he claimed to have left his body and was flying through a tunnel of thick wooly clouds with a bright light ahead in the clouds. He was about half way to the light when a voice spoke and said "Go back, it is not your time." He stopped and reversed and was flying backwards and suddenly he was back in his body and woke up!

From asking the Holy Spirit, after you die if it is a tunnel you see, that's going to Hell. A Christian will stand in the presence of Light and see Jesus.

 

[Rockerduck]

Ai summary
An out of body experience (OBE) is a phenomenon where a person’s center of consciousness temporarily feels as if it is located outside their physical body, often allowing them to view themselves and their surroundings from an elevated or distant perspective. Affecting 10% to 20% of the population, these experiences can be triggered by stress, sleep paralysis, trauma, or, in some cases, induced through meditation and sensory disruption.

Out-of-Body Experience: What’s Really Happening

Out-of-body experiences are a bit of a medical mystery. Find out what experts believe is really going on and whether they pose any health risks.

www.healthline.com

Astral Projection and Out of Body Experiences | Issue 42 | Philosophy Now

Joe Fearn asks whether the idea of out of body experiences is intelligible.

philosophynow.org

Yes there seems to be a intermediate period where its somewhere inbetween the temporal and the supernatural. Which all seems to be happening within the realm of consciousness.

I mean literally. Not like when someone is relieved or sighs like they feel heavy with mental exhaustion. But they actually feel themselves taking on their physical body like ists suit. A heavy sack of flesh and broken bones and pain. Before there was not weight, no pain or physicality at all.

OBE can happen without the person dying or even near death. Can happen while sleeping, meditation, stress and trauma.

Yes with modern tech we can now save more people and monitor what happens. But thats sort of the point. Now we are collecting massive data bases of what happens we are see some remarkable themes.

Which sort of lends weight to them not being in the imagination or caused by delusions.

Interestingly there have been supposed cases of some people being dead for a day or two coming back. You begin to question what exactly is death. Is there some limbo or pre realm where a persons spirit or consciousness exists and can come back. Making the body a live vessel again.

It seems like there may even be a sort of hierarchy of conscious awareness. Just like in awake life. Dream like states can happen in the psychological mind as well as the spiritual mind. It is a world of many mind states that can be deceptive or qualified. Just like in real life.

Its it seems we need to ground and qualify dreams and visions in God. Paul mentions that these should be edifying God and His people. I think we can tell the good and bad fruits of the spirit even in dreams and visionsl.

Perhaps an even more important considering this is already based in a mystical realm that can be used for false ideas.

I mean how the world sees the brain as an organ. There is no reason that mindless matter should think in the first place. That it does speaks of Gods creation.

Yes its amazing that it can think and have dreams and visions. Be aware of itself and have relation with God.

Is this coming soon. It seems like the right climate.

Likewise

Don't trust AI. Jesus told me end times events and AI is of the devil. This was 3 years ago. God made man wonderful, and spiritual. There is not one scientific study that can figure the human brain. God makes fools of wise men, and the devil deceives the world.

 

[Taken]

OBE can happen without the person dying or even near death. Can happen while sleeping, meditation, stress and trauma.

No. Never does Scripture teach a soul departs a living Body.
See…
Gen 35:18
See…
1 Kings 17:21 (whole chapter for interesting context on this point).

An OBE is The Living Soul departing a Mortally Dead body. (And)
The Living Soul returning to the body, and the body resumes living…
That is the “Experience”.

Which sort of lends weight to them not being in the imagination or caused by delusions.

The soul “knows” …everything the mind knows.
The soul “has” all the same “senses” the body has…seeing, hearing, tasting, etc.

Interestingly there have been supposed cases of some people being dead for a day or two coming back. You begin to question what exactly is death. Is there some limbo or pre realm where a persons spirit or consciousness exists and can come back. Making the body a live vessel again.

That occurred with Lazarus (seems it was 4 days he was dead then resumed living)…

Death is multi-meaning…
Physical…Death / ie mortal death, body’s life (blood) ceases flowing.
Spiritual …Death / is a mans body, soul, spirit … Against God / (not with God.)

It seems like there may even be a sort of hierarchy of conscious awareness. Just like in awake life. Dream like states can happen in the psychological mind as well as the spiritual mind. It is a world of many mind states that can be deceptive or qualified. Just like in real life.

I would say… men can “day-Dream”…
But That “dreams are one’s souls thoughts”
IMO

Soul Life (is Gods Breath). A soul is Living IN the body, and living when the body dies, the living soul continues living… and both saved and unsaved souls continue living …
Until Judgement day…at Judgement
The saved soul will continue living…
The unsaved soul? Gods Life (breath) will depart out of that soul… return to God…
And that mans lifeless body and soul destroyed…and forgotten.

I mean how the world sees the brain as an organ. There is no reason that mindless matter should think in the first place. That it does speaks of Gods creation.

Yes, the mind is a fascinating organ…
AND, the natural Carnal Mind…
IS Naturally AGAINST God.
* Rom 8:7
It is not “wired” to figure out God or His Truth…
* 1 Cor 2:14
Thus the necessity of FAITH.


The mind concludes between what it Knows and what it can believe possible…Logical deducing….and tomorrow, gain more information and deduce a complete different conclusion.
The heart (natural spirit of man) and the soul …functions moreso according to absolute truths… and why a relationship with the Lord God…is by, through, of the heart and soul…
(rather than philosophical, logical, mindful guesswork, etc.)

Yes its amazing that it can think and have dreams and visions. Be aware of itself and have relation with God.

God is Spirit… mans body is not spirit, but HAS a spirit …to which Communication (prayer) between man and God IS Spiritual… and God and man is spiritual.

Is this coming soon. It seems like the right climate.

Close. Much required has already been fulfilled. We see the exponential speed at which things are advancing.
Personally, I think the Big Major factor will be when the Temple in JERUSALEM is rebuilt…

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[lforrest]

For the letters kill, but holy spirit gives life.
Also Jesus Christ said: not everyone who says Lord,Lord,........

Seems like only say Jesus is Lord that is not the key.

Believers experience a change at the moment of salvation. This change is due to the Holy Spirit taking residence and beginning his work on/in us.

This is what Jesus told Nicodemus: We must be born again. And there is not a single account of anyone being born again in the absence of the knowledge of Jesus Christ and his sacrifice.

In the old testament saints did not receive salvation until hearing the gospel. Abraham was admitted to Paradise due to his faith in God's promises, but that was not the kingdom of God. Abraham was visited by Malkizidek. He received the bread and wine foreshadowing the Eucharist. Through prophetic insight he must have recognized the significance of the visit but it is doubtful he fully understood. It took Jesus visit to sheol for him to receive true salvation.

Can someone love sufficiently to become as one born of the Spirit? It doesn't flow logically. Like trying to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.

 

[soberxp]

Believers experience a change at the moment of salvation. This change is due to the Holy Spirit taking residence and beginning his work on/in us.

This is what Jesus told Nicodemus: We must be born again. And there is not a single account of anyone being born again in the absence of the knowledge of Jesus Christ and his sacrifice.

In the old testament saints did not receive salvation until hearing the gospel. Abraham was admitted to Paradise due to his faith in God's promises, but that was not the kingdom of God. Abraham was visited by Malkizidek. He received the bread and wine foreshadowing the Eucharist. Through prophetic insight he must have recognized the significance of the visit but it is doubtful he fully understood. It took Jesus visit to sheol for him to receive true salvation.

Can someone love sufficiently to become as one born of the Spirit? It doesn't flow logically. Like trying to pull yourself up by your own bootstraps.

Jesus Christ said, "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners."
If a person does not know Jesus Christ, but his abundant love can become his righteousness.

 

[lforrest]

Jesus Christ said, "I came not to call the righteous, but sinners."
If a person does not know Jesus Christ, but his abundant love can become his righteousness.

Righteous comes by faith. Even the faith of sinners in salvation through the shed blood of Jesus. Love is a fruit of the Spirit. How can someone know the love of Jesus if they don't believe he died for them? If they believe that then they already know the gospel of Jesus, and this is splitting hairs.

 

[soberxp]

Dghteous comes by faith. Even the faith of sinners in salvation through the shed blood of Jesus. Love is a fruit of the Spirit. How can someone know the love of Jesus if they don't believe he died for them? If they believe that then they already know the gospel of Jesus, and this is splitting hairs.

Jesus Christ is the foundation and everything.
Because he is the first Adam and last Adam that break the died curse from the Satan.
He is the hope of all.
But all the laws are encompassed in the commandment to love others as oneself.
If you believe in Jesus Christ, you shouldn't curse those people who really Love others as themself.

 

[lforrest]

Jesus Christ is the foundation and everything.
Because he is the first Adam and last Adam that break the died curse from the Satan.
He is the hope of all.
But all the laws are encompassed in the commandment to love others as oneself.
If you believe in Jesus Christ, you shouldn't curse those people who really Love others as themself.

It sounded like you were making a way or excusing others for using a way to salvation other than belief in Jesus Christ. I wanted to make sure that wasn't the case.

Loving God and our Neighbor these are the greatest commandments. But there are times we fall short of the perfect love of Jesus Christ. And for that reason we need a savior.

 

[soberxp]

It sounded like you were making a way or excusing others for using a way to salvation other than belief in Jesus Christ. I wanted to make sure that wasn't the case.

Loving God and our Neighbor these are the greatest commandments. But there are times we fall short of the perfect love of Jesus Christ. And for that reason we need a savior.

Because Jesus Christ is the one who break the died curse from the Satan, so he is our savior for every one, but not for us to make a new died curse.

 

[lforrest]

Because Jesus Christ is the one who break the died curse from the Satan, so he is our savior for every one, but not for us to make a new died curse.

So loving one-another in obedience with the commandments keeps us from apostasy?

 

[soberxp]

So lohimg one-another in obedience with the commandments keeps us from apostasy?

We believe in Jesus Christ that is believing in his truth, if someone else really Love others as oneself, the one is believing in the truth of Jesus Christ,even the one who says not believe in the name of Jesus Christ,just because the one didn't really Know him.
Why must we use the sole reason of believing in the name of Jesus to suppress others' kindness?

Even in the great flood era when truth collapsed, God could still find Noah, so that's why not Jesus Christ has been preached for so long.

 

[lforrest]

We believe in Jesus Christ that is believing in his truth, if someone else really Love others as oneself, the one is believing in the truth of Jesus Christ,even the one who says not believe in the name of Jesus Christ,just because the one didn't really Know him.
Why must we use the sole reason of believing in the name of Jesus to suppress others' kindness?

Even in the great flood era when truth collapsed, God could still find Noah, so that's why not Jesus Christ has been preached for so long.

Because kindness doesn't save. Humbling ourselves to recognize Jesus as our Lord is what saves. Focusing on anything but Jesus allows for self-righteousness to take root.

 

[soberxp]

Because kindness doesn't save. Humbling ourselves to recognize Jesus as our Lord is what saves. Focusing on anything but Jesus allows for self-righteousness to take root.

You just can't accept others' righteousness. You still consider yourself a sinner, so you are unwilling to admit others' righteousness.

 

[lforrest]

You just can't accept others' righteousness. You still consider yourself a sinner, so you are unwilling to admit others' righteousness.

I am warning about creating stumbling blocks for people, which can be anything other than belief in Jesus Christ.

 

[soberxp]

I am warning about creating stumbling blocks for people, which can be anything other than belief in Jesus Christ.

So what is Jesus Christ?
And what mean that believing in Jesus Christ?
Is Jesus Christ a stumbling blocks?

 

[lforrest]

So what is Jesus Christ?
And what mean that believing in Jesus Christ?
Is Jesus Christ a stumbling blocks?

In short Jesus Christ is the person born 2000 years ago who lived a perfectly sinless life and died as a sacrifice to cover the sins of mankind.
Believing in Jesus Christ is believing in his death burial and resurrection.
No, he is the cornerstone.