Saved, what is it & why the confusion as to how ?
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amigo de christo
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lips a flappin leads to rap and often those lips unleash .............................Lips a flappin leads to rappin
now what rhymes with rap . allow me to help ONE C
for that letter cometh before the r . men preach dung these days .
and sheep dont feed on that .
amigo de christo
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Sheep dont feed on the vomit tables and dung filled tables of the men who preach cont rary doctrine .
And that is a fact folks . SO w hy do i see so many w ho have an outward lip flapping only covering of wool
sitting at such tables . the answer was and is and can be found in the question . cause they OUTWARD and in appearnce ONLY .
THEY LOVE NOT the TRUTH , they love what men feed them and cliam is truth . that is gonna sting a lot of folks .
Good medicine stings , but it is GOOD and necessary .
And that is a fact folks . SO w hy do i see so many w ho have an outward lip flapping only covering of wool
sitting at such tables . the answer was and is and can be found in the question . cause they OUTWARD and in appearnce ONLY .
THEY LOVE NOT the TRUTH , they love what men feed them and cliam is truth . that is gonna sting a lot of folks .
Good medicine stings , but it is GOOD and necessary .
amigo de christo
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lips a flappine leads to rappinLips a flappin leads to rappin
and many sit under such with tongues a lappin
LAPPIN UP every word of false sold out doctrine these ear tickling leaders do tell them .
Big Boy Johnson
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Marvelloustime
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Hi taken, Belief starts somewhere, the words of Jesus ( the seed) . the rest is according to one of his parables below I added more texts for context.
Matthew 13:1-23
13 The same day went Jesus out of the house, and sat by the sea side.2 And great multitudes were gathered together unto him, so that he went into a ship, and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 And he spake many things unto them in parables, saying, Behold, a sower went forth to sow;
4 And when he sowed, some seeds fell by the way side, and the fowls came and devoured them up:
5 Some fell upon stony places, where they had not much earth: and forthwith they sprung up, because they had no deepness of earth:
6 And when the sun was up, they were scorched; and because they had no root, they withered away.
7 And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprung up, and choked them:
8 But other fell into good ground, and brought forth fruit, some an hundredfold, some sixtyfold, some thirtyfold.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear.
17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous men have desired to see those things which ye see, and have not seen them; and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.
18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.
19 When any one heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the way side.
20 But he that received the seed into stony places, the same is he that heareth the word, and anon with joy receiveth it;
21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.
22 He also that received seed among the thorns is he that heareth the word; and the care of this world, and the deceitfulness of riches, choke the word, and he becometh unfruitful.
23 But he that received seed into the good ground is he that heareth the word, and understandeth it; which also beareth fruit, and bringeth forth, some an hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
You pointed to Acts 9:15 and Galatians 1:12–13 as if that makes Paul the single channel of God’s words. But you left something out.
Before Paul ever stood up to preach to Gentiles, Peter testified that he was chosen by God for that very purpose.
In Acts of the Apostles 15:7 Peter says, “Brethren, ye know that a good while ago God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.” ASV.
Read that carefully.
“God made choice… that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear.”
That is Peter speaking about himself. Not Paul. Peter is describing the event in Acts 10 when he preached to Cornelius, a Gentile, and the Holy Spirit fell on them. That happened before Paul’s Gentile mission was established in Scripture.
So what does Acts 9:15 prove? It proves Paul was chosen. Amen.
But Acts 15:7 proves Peter was chosen for the Gentiles first.
Now look at the order.
Jesus gave the Great Commission in Matthew 28:18–20 to the eleven. They were commanded to teach all nations to observe all that He commanded. That authority came directly from Christ.
Peter preached in Acts 2 to Jews.
Peter preached in Acts 10 to Gentiles.
Then in Acts 15 he reminds everyone that God chose him for that role.
Paul later says in Galatians 1:12 that he received the gospel by revelation of Jesus Christ. Good. But revelation does not cancel what Jesus already spoke, and it does not erase what the other apostles were already doing.
And Jesus Himself said in John 12:48, “The word that I spake, the same shall judge him in the last day.” ASV.
He did not say Paul’s letters would judge.
He said His own words would judge.
So are God’s words contained only in Paul’s writings?
No.
God spoke through the prophets.
God spoke through His Son.
God spoke through the twelve.
Peter was chosen to open the door to the Gentiles before Paul’s ministry unfolded.
Paul is a chosen vessel.
But he is not the cornerstone.
Jesus is.
And everything must stand under Christ’s words, not over them.
You ask, “Do you reject the saving Gospel that Christ taught to Paul?” Then you quote Galatians 1:11–12, 1 Corinthians 15:1–4, and Ephesians 1:13 as if the issue is whether someone accepts salvation.
No. The real issue is this: What is the Gospel, and who defined it first?
In Galatians 1:11–12 Paul says the gospel he preached was not after man, but came through revelation of Jesus Christ. Good. If it came from Jesus, then it must agree with what Jesus already taught. Christ does not preach one message on earth and another later from heaven that contradicts Himself.
Now look at 1 Corinthians 15:1–4. Paul says the gospel includes that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, was buried, and rose the third day according to the Scriptures. Amen. That is true. That is central.
But ask yourself: did Jesus preach His death and resurrection as part of the Gospel before Paul?
Yes.
In Mark 8:31 Jesus began to teach that the Son of man must suffer, be rejected, be killed, and after three days rise again. In Mark 10:45 He said the Son of man came to give His life a ransom for many. That is atonement language. That is sacrifice language. That is Gospel.
Before Paul ever wrote a line, Jesus was already declaring the cross.
And what did Jesus say salvation requires?
In Mark 1:14–15, “The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe in the gospel.” ASV.
Repent and believe.
In John 3:16, belief brings life. In John 5:24, hearing His word and believing brings life. In John 8:51, keeping His word keeps one from seeing death. In Matthew 7:21, not everyone who says “Lord, Lord” enters, but he that does the will of the Father.
That is the saving Gospel from Christ’s own mouth.
Now look at Ephesians 1:13. Paul says after hearing the word of truth, the gospel of salvation, and believing, they were sealed with the Holy Spirit. Again, that matches what happened in Acts 10 when Peter preached and the Spirit fell on believing Gentiles. Same pattern. Hear. Believe. Receive.
So do I reject the Gospel?
No.
I reject the idea that the Gospel began with Paul.
I reject the idea that Christ’s earthly teaching was incomplete until Paul.
I reject the idea that Paul’s revelation overrides Jesus’ own words.
Paul himself said Christ died “according to the Scriptures.” That means the message was already rooted in what God had revealed before.
If Paul’s Gospel is truly from Christ, then it will harmonize with:
• Jesus’ call to repentance
• Jesus’ demand for obedience
• Jesus’ warning of judgment
• Jesus’ teaching about the kingdom
And it does.
The Gospel is not “Paul versus Jesus.” The Gospel is Christ crucified and risen, calling people to repent, believe, and follow Him.
If someone claims Paul teaches a salvation that ignores repentance, obedience, or the words of Jesus, that is not Paul’s fault. That is a misreading.
Christ is the source. The apostles are witnesses. The foundation is one. And the Judge on the last day is still Jesus.
amigo de christo
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And was unknown by face
but they had heard HE which once persecuted the church now PREACHES THE FAITH he once DESTROYED .
t hems pauls own words . Again proving what we already knew my friend . THAT PAUL preached THE SAME IDENTICAL
GOSPEL as had the apostels , which once he destroyed . SAME gospel indeed .
THEY all did . so not just are pauls words true and apply to the church , SO does every le tter of every apostels written .
ITS ONE BODY , ONE LORD , ONE SAME GOSPEL by which we are added into this same body BY FAITH IN HIM .
Very clear this is my friend for the sheep to see . EVERYTHING must stand under CHRISTS words , not over them .
Taken
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Sure Belief has a beginning.
Point was…without BELIEF…a ( or multiple) commands means nothing.
amigo de christo
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Verily verily my dear taken , you just said a SOLID solid TRUTH .
So now let us hear this reminder from myself .
WITHOUT BELEIF IN JESUS THE CHRIST, a command means nothing . EVEN this just love your neighbor junk
as they gather with muslims and all false religions
Acting like a wacked out religious beetles song , ALL YA NEED IS LOVE , dah dah dah dah .
SORRY but any love WITH FAITH IN JESUS , IS A VOID one indeed . IN fact no man cant truly Do so
if they have rejected HIM . FOR HAD THEY LOVED GOD they would have loved THE SON . SO lets boot that ecumenical whore
out ta our churches once and for all .
Moontan13
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I was raised in a Baptist home, (saved at age 10), thought I knew some things, and once I found a certain radio station, realized how ignorant I was because "preaching is just as good as studying scripture". After reading scripture for myself, I realized I'd been sinning for 30 years. What I was getting around to is that every church has certain beliefs so they can claim to be Bible believing. They all conveniently ignore other parts of scripture though. The non-denomination denomination I follow uses a teaching method covering entire books of the Bible word by word, verse by verse. Do you agree with everything your church teaches? For example, I don't like how churches completely ignore Biblical admonitions to dress modestly. To me, Sinners In The Hands of an Angry God is a pep talk.
Yes sir.
I do believe that we need to read scripture for ourselves.
It used to be, before the reformation and immediately after it, that the church
always taught the same doctrines...
at some point MEN started coming up with different ideas about what Christianity is and here we are today
with so many denominations that most Christians don't even know what each one specifically teaches (including me).
Some become enamoured of a particular pastor/teacher and just believe what he teaches...and sometmes it is not biblical.
Right. I think I said this.
ALL scripture must be reconciled with itself....
there can be no contradiction in the NT.
If one verse says that nothing can remove us from the hand of God....
and another verse says that we will be saved IF WE CONTINUE...
then we better stop and make sense of it.
One of those two verses is wrong.....
or
they are both right !
I don't agree with everything the chuch in my neighborhood teaches.
But it's a good church and I really don't have a choice.
I live in a small town in Italy.
When I DO go to church,,,it's a Catholic Church.
As to dressing modestly,,,yes, I agree...a Christian man or woman should dress modestly.
Our body is a temple and should not be shared with just anyone.
A scantily clad girl may be candy for the eyes....
but certainly is not meat for the soul.
amigo de christo
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Remember the words and actions of Christ .
Remember the words and actions of the apostles in acts .
Remember the letters the apostels wrote and all scriptures .
And you will see a huge difference in what they did , WHO they pointed too and the warning ag ainst
all who rejected this .
They were very busy men . Putting their own lives in jeopardy
FOR ONE REASON . TO PREACH THE ABSOLUTE DIRE NECESSITY to BELEIVE ON JESUS
with a warning of what comes upon all who reject HIM .
As well as they were fast to correct sin and e rror in their churches .
Now , due to the judge not correct not card , we have seen a love
that would not correct sin and error and thus leaven rose up
and in time such leaven b ecame even accepted .
Till now even UNBELIEF is accepted as even other religoins are getting acceptance .
Remember when paul warned them twice
A little leaven sure can leaven the whole lump . THE CHURCHES SHOULD HAVE HEEDED what THESE apostels
had wrote to us and left for us to learn . cause friend , LEAVEN HAS SOARED big time .
But what did we expect .
WHEN sin and error is left to remain in places under the guise of love and tolerance
and truth is silenced cause that might offend ,
YOU TAKE A GUESS what is gonna t ake over , EVIL WILL . and thus it did .
I feel that churches are almost afraid to preach what Jesus would want of us.
I never hear it stated clearly...without any doubt.
The CC has pre-cana classes.
Nice.
But I never hear from the pulpit that divorce is non-existant in God's eyes.
They do preach the gospel,,,but it just never goes beyond that.
Yes...for love we are ignoring justice.
amigo de christo
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look real real real closely at your last line .
THEN KNOW and understand that is the love of the world , NOT OF GOD .
a clear sign sumthing , as in the sum is , is dead wrong .
WHERE would the love be if i let your child skate on thin ice , I KNEW was dangerous .
but just said OH dont judge , let the kid do what he desires , OH he will figure it out .
WRONG again .
The problem is the leadership . FOR the sake of all that is holy WE MUST START OVER in the bible Now
amigo de christo
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if you wanna know why this is , then know and understand
the moment a leader comes and begins to change ANYTHING , to omit it , to say t hings like it was for another age ,
oh it might offend , THAT WAS IN THAT BIBLE .
Once leaven begins , IT BRINGS ONLY MORE ERROR .
that is and has been the problem of these THEOLOGIAN raised leaders .
THEY ALL sat under some man that taught them their doct rine t hrough , THEIR OWN DENOMNINATIONS IDEALS
whether it was prosperity , whe ther it was this or that .
AND IN TIME it keeps getting worse .
WE NEED AN ALL OUT EXODUS RIGHT NOW . AND A FRESH START IN ONLY THE BIBLE .
IF WE SIMPLY learned and KEPT those teachings and pratices , WE HAD KEPT OUR CHURChES SAFE .
WE MUST b egin anew NOW . OR prepare to fall . you got those two choices . EITHER WE RETURN TO just the bible
Learn T HAT PA TTERN , them words , how they did things , OR WE GONNA FALL . And that is a fact .
I am doing all i can to help this people . AND I CAN ONLY POINT THEM TO THE GOD , HIS CHRIST , AND HIS BIBLE .
cause men are fleecing this people .
amigo de christo
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Never accept anything that falls short of the pure T ruth . in other words
I dont care if its eighty , maybe ninety , maybe ninety five percent right . NO MAM
its either THE TRUTH or its not . and leaven always starts real tiny too .
amigo de christo
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All i know is , and how i weep for them , is that on the day of the LORDLips a flappin leads to rappin
there will b e pants full of puddles and sheer terror . ONLY its too late .
IF we sit under soiled docrtrine its fear soiled pants we sit in on the day of the LORD .
That of course is but a figure of speech to
make a point that those who rejected Christ are gonna be in all out total terror ON HIS DAY .
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