THE GOSPEL AND HEALING

[Fred J]

The restoration of the 'kingdom of Israel', Jesus is referring to which only the FATHER knows the day and hour, is towards the end times.

As for the 'kingdom of Israel', by the Gospel itself, from Jesus onwards and until the full number of Gentiles be come in, we know a 'remnant' of 144,000 of them were saved under the election of grace.

Until the full number of Gentiles be come in by faith, and by this 'all Israel shall be saved', meaning, the 'kingdom of Israel' indeed shall be 'restored'.

Apparently the restoration of the 'kingdom of Israel', is the restoration of the 'house of Jacob', the descendants of Jacob and his 12 sons. the 12 tribes of Israel.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Doug]

Until the full number of Gentiles be come in by faith,

I have a different view on this...........................[Romans 11:25 KJV] "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.".............I think the fulness isn't until the last Gentile is saved, but rather until God's purpose with the Gentiles is fulfilled. Look how it's used here...........[Ephesians 1:10 KJV] "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:".............This verse is saying all things will be gathered when the times are fulfilled.........here is another verse where the same word is translated as fulfilled..............[Romans 13:10 KJV] "Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling[G4138] of the law."

 

[Fred J]

I have a different view on this...........................[Romans 11:25 KJV] "For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.".............I think the fulness isn't until the last Gentile is saved, but rather until God's purpose with the Gentiles is fulfilled.

Wisdom given from above do not see it as different view in order to distinguish they are indeed different.

But rather they are the same, while the other is your point of view as wisdom given you on this subject.

Compared to on the other hand what is written, 'Until the full number of Gentiles be come in.'

That which is written, is breathed out by GOD and prophetic, that 'must come to pass' as a 'sign' for us church saints.

Look how it's used here...........[Ephesians 1:10 KJV] "That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; [even] in him:".............This verse is saying all things will be gathered when the times are fulfilled.........here is another verse where the same word is translated as fulfilled..............[Romans 13:10 KJV] "Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling[G4138] of the law."

This refers to gathering all of them Jews and Gentiles finally in Christ, ones in Heaven and on earth in fulfillment.

It shall come to pass after the 'final judgement', during when lastly people of all nation will resurrect unto life or resurrect unto damnation.

And when GOD the FATHER have put all of Christ's enemies under His feet finally.

Christ will reign with all the saints for eternity, and He'll hand over all authority back to the FATHER and become subject to the FATHER.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ

 

[Doug]

Compared to on the other hand what is written, 'Until the full number of Gentiles be come in.'

I was thinking where this phrasing came from........its not found in the KJV.........of course its from other translations..............[Romans 11:25 NIV] "I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers and sisters, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in,"

The KJV translates Strong's G4138 in the following manner: fulness (13x), full (1x), fulfilling (1x), which is put in to fill up (1x), pierce that filled up (1x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. that which is (has been) filled
   1. a ship inasmuch as it is filled (i.e. manned) with sailors, rowers, and soldiers
   2. in the NT, the body of believers, as that which is filled with the presence, power, agency, riches of God and of Christ
2. that which fills or with which a thing is filled
   1. of those things which a ship is filled, freight and merchandise, sailors, oarsmen, soldiers
   2. completeness or fulness of time
3. fulness, abundance
4. a fulfilling, keeping

Nowhere in the KJV is it translated as the full number. One of us a different Bible.

 

[Doug]

This refers to gathering all of them Jews and Gentiles finally in Christ, ones in Heaven and on earth in fulfillment.

It shall come to pass after the 'final judgement', during when lastly people of all nation will resurrect unto life or resurrect unto damnation.

And when GOD the FATHER have put all of Christ's enemies under His feet finally.

Christ will reign with all the saints for eternity, and He'll hand over all authority back to the FATHER and become subject to the FATHER.

I was discussing the meaning of the verse. I was showing how the fulness of time was used. It cant be said that the fulness of times means the last time period is the last time saved as some say the fulness means the last Gentile saved

 

[Fred J]

I was discussing the meaning of the verse. I was showing how the fulness of time was used. It cant be said that the fulness of times means the last time period is the last time saved as some say the fulness means the last Gentile saved

Before the foundation of this world GOD already know how man Gentiles shall be saved by HIS Gospel and how many will perish rejecting.

HE knows them inside and out, even before they were born, therefore HE'll know the last Gentile or Gentiles to be saved.

 

[Fred J]

scripture for this please

Ephesians 1:
4. According as HE hath chosen 'us' in HIM before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before HIM in love:
5. Having predestinated 'us' unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to HIMSELF, according to the good pleasure of HIS will,

When Paul addressed the Ephesians Gentile church as 'us', he's referring to the remnant of Jews saved by grace during his time and the saved Gentiles as well, the 'one body of Christ'.