In these Days the Wolves think they the sheep!

[ScottA]

Copy and Paste the verses that support you argument or disagreement just like I did!

Thank you

I give that information often, but I am traveling and on my phone. But His sheep hear His voice. And surely you must know the verses that tell that Jesus not only did not religiously practice Sabbath keeping, but did not continue after entering into the Spirit.

 

[bro.tan]

I give that information often, but I am traveling and on my phone. But His sheep hear His voice. And surely you must know the verses that tell that Jesus not only did not religiously practice Sabbath keeping, but did not continue after entering into the Spirit.

It's hard to fellowship with a person who refuse to copy and Paste the verses that support your argument or disagreement. Jesus made it clear that the seventh day was made for mankind. (Mark 2:27-28) (v.27) And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Do we understand that, the Sabbath was made for us, not us for the Sabbath. (v.28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath. The Son of man (Jesus) is the Lord God of the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday).

 

[ScottA]

It's hard to fellowship with a person who refuse to copy and Paste the verses that support your argument or disagreement. Jesus made it clear that the seventh day was made for mankind. (Mark 2:27-28) (v.27) And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Do we understand that, the Sabbath was made for us, not us for the Sabbath. (v.28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath. The Son of man (Jesus) is the Lord God of the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday).

Perhaps you missed Genesis. What is the seventh day--from the beginning--by that first definition? And how come you have not connected Genesis with what Jesus said, that you might know what He meant, and what the Sabbath really is and why all the practice beforehand? How is it that Jesus' fulfilling, attaining, and sending the Holy rest of God among men, has escaped you? How is it that you do not know that the seventh day has come upon us?

But if you have no room for travelers without cut and paste, perhaps you have no room for the truth. So be it.

I pray you reconsider all. Amen.

 

[bro.tan]

Perhaps you missed Genesis. What is the seventh day--from the beginning--by that first definition? And how come you have not connected Genesis with what Jesus said, that you might know what He meant, and what the Sabbath really is and why all the practice beforehand? How is it that Jesus' fulfilling, attaining, and sending the Holy rest of God among men, has escaped you? How is it that you do not know that the seventh day has come upon us?

But if you have no room for travelers without cut and paste, perhaps you have no room for the truth. So be it.

I pray you reconsider all. Amen.

I need to see some Scriptures and verses from you, concerning what you saying, so stop being lazy please. Read your Bible and produce facts.

 

[ScottA]

I need to see some Scriptures and verses from you, concerning what you saying, so stop being lazy please. Read your Bible and produce facts.

You make it sound like you yourself do not have knowledge of the scriptures, or are unable to read again for yourself what is written of the seventh day in Genesis.

Do you have limited access? I do at the moment--because I am traveling as I already told you.

If you have access to the scriptures, understand that the truth is revealed over time, "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little" and thus must be fit together. If you are not doing so--that is the reason you are not making the connection as I have presented it. But I have given you the connection.

 

[bro.tan]

You make it sound like you yourself do not have knowledge of the scriptures, or are unable to read again for yourself what is written of the seventh day in Genesis.

Do you have limited access? I do at the moment--because I am traveling as I already told you.

If you have access to the scriptures, understand that the truth is revealed over time, "precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little there a little" and thus must be fit together. If you are not doing so--that is the reason you are not making the connection as I have presented it. But I have given you the connection.

Thats right Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. You can't go around picking verses out the Bible that lines up with your doctrine. Rightly dividing the true starts from Genesis to Revelation. I need to see some Scriptures and verses from you, concerning what you saying, so stop being lazy please. Read your Bible and produce facts. If you don't have time then wait until you do!

 

[bdavidc]

Don't be deceived thinking you all you need to do is have faith in the Lord and you will be saved?

You’re trying to make the commandments the road into salvation, but Scripture says the law doesn’t open the door. It shows you you’re locked out. “by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified” ~Galatians 2:16. If keeping the Sabbath could save a man, Christ didn’t need a cross. “if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain” ~Galatians 2:21.

The Sabbath was never the finish line. It was a sign pointing somewhere else. The Bible says the real rest is entering Christ and ceasing from your own works ~Hebrews 4:9-10. Not resting one day a week, but resting your soul in the One who finished the work.

That is why believers are warned not to judge each other over it: “let no man therefore judge you… in respect of… the sabbath days: which are a shadow… but the body is of Christ” ~Colossians 2:16-17. A shadow matters until the person casting it is standing in front of you.

Works matter, but they testify after salvation, not before it. “by grace are ye saved through faith… not of works” ~Ephesians 2:8-9, then we are created “unto good works” ~Ephesians 2:10.

So obedience is the evidence of life, not the purchase price of it. When the Sabbath becomes a requirement for justification, the focus shifts from trusting Christ’s finished work to trusting our own. And that is not good news.

 

[bdavidc]

Just about everybody in my family goes to church on Sunday. Even I used too, until I read the scriptures and researched the history of Sunday worship. Until I read the bible for myself I was in the dark.

You’ve taken a command God gave as a sign and turned it into a line that decides who belongs to Satan. Scripture never does that.

The Sabbath was a shadow pointing forward, “let no man therefore judge you… in respect of… the sabbath days: which are a shadow… but the body is of Christ” ~Colossians 2:16-17. When the person arrives, you don’t keep staring at the shadow.

Paul even says believers may differ on days, “One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind” ~Romans 14:5. He doesn’t call either side deceived by devils. He calls them brethren.

The early disciples gathered on the first day because the Lord rose that day ~John 20:19 and “upon the first day of the week… the disciples came together to break bread” ~Acts 20:7. They were not honoring Satan. They were honoring the risen Christ.

The real danger is not which day you meet. The real danger is trusting obedience to a day to make you right with God. “by grace are ye saved through faith… not of works” ~Ephesians 2:8-9. When a day becomes the test of salvation, the focus moves from Christ’s finished work to human performance.

The question is simple. Are you resting in a calendar, or are you resting in the Savior who said, “Come unto me… and I will give you rest” ~Matthew 11:28.

 

[bdavidc]

Concerning the observance of the Law we find the following, (1John: 2:4) He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. How can anyone claim to know God yet teach that it is not necessary to obey His laws?

No Christian disputes the need for obedience. The issue is how the law relates to salvation. Yes, God’s law is holy (Romans 7:12), and believers will behave differently (1 John 2:4). However, the same Scripture declares that the law cannot make a sinner righteous before God: “by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified” (Galatians 2:16).

The law reveals our sin and leads us to Christ. “The law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith” (Galatians 3:24). Justification precedes obedience.

This is why John says, “this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another” (1 John 3:23). The key commandment is faith in the Son. Out of this new birth comes love and obedience.

Christians are not disobeying God’s law. They are disobeying the notion that by obeying the law, they can be saved. We are saved by grace, “not of works” (Ephesians 2:8-9), and then we live in obedience as the result of this new life (Ephesians 2:10).

Obedience is of the utmost importance. However, it is the proof of knowing Him, not the means of getting to Him.

 

[ScottA]

Thats right Paul said in 2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. You can't go around picking verses out the Bible that lines up with your doctrine. Rightly dividing the true starts from Genesis to Revelation. I need to see some Scriptures and verses from you, concerning what you saying, so stop being lazy please. Read your Bible and produce facts. If you don't have time then wait until you do!

Why do you accuse me and make demands? I told you the reason I have not given you chapter and verse, is because I am traveling. But if you know the scriptures, you could easily confirm what I quoted without chapter and verse.

But what you said about not picking verses out only to support one's doctrine is good. That, I have not done, but am only relaying what is given to me by God (according to how Jesus told Peter how He would build His Church). Are you against that? Regardless, know that what He said was to occur and is, in spite of the many who are false.

 

[bro.tan]

No Christian disputes the need for obedience. The issue is how the law relates to salvation. Yes, God’s law is holy (Romans 7:12), and believers will behave differently (1 John 2:4). However, the same Scripture declares that the law cannot make a sinner righteous before God: “by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified” (Galatians 2:16).

The law reveals our sin and leads us to Christ. “The law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith” (Galatians 3:24). Justification precedes obedience.

This is why John says, “this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another” (1 John 3:23). The key commandment is faith in the Son. Out of this new birth comes love and obedience.

Christians are not disobeying God’s law. They are disobeying the notion that by obeying the law, they can be saved. We are saved by grace, “not of works” (Ephesians 2:8-9), and then we live in obedience as the result of this new life (Ephesians 2:10).

Obedience is of the utmost importance. However, it is the proof of knowing Him, not the means of getting to Him.

I need to ask a question before I respond. Which law was our school master?

 

[bro.tan]

You’ve taken a command God gave as a sign and turned it into a line that decides who belongs to Satan. Scripture never does that.

The Sabbath was a shadow pointing forward, “let no man therefore judge you… in respect of… the sabbath days: which are a shadow… but the body is of Christ” ~Colossians 2:16-17. When the person arrives, you don’t keep staring at the shadow.

In Leviticus, 23rd Chapter the Sabbath day and the High Holy Days which begin I believe on the new moon. Are the feast of the Lord's. These days are to be observe in their season. In Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. These feast days are the plans of God, they represent the future, with example from the past. All Holy Days are not to eat or drink, such as the atonement, but still to be observe. So this is actually what a person would say to someone who do not keep these feast day of the Lord, if they were judging them on those High and Holy Sabbath days, they were keeping. They would quoted Colossians 2: 16-17. So if you keep the first day of the week, Sunday, Easter and Christmas Paganism, then it makes no sense to use this verse. You cannot worship other days and God’s, that’s not written in the Bible to do, and then use the Bible to justify it. So if you keep another day thats not written in the Bible, then you are doing something on your own, thus it would really be contradictorily.

Paul even says believers may differ on days, “One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind” ~Romans 14:5. He doesn’t call either side deceived by devils. He calls them brethren.

The early disciples gathered on the first day because the Lord rose that day ~John 20:19 and “upon the first day of the week… the disciples came together to break bread” ~Acts 20:7. They were not honoring Satan. They were honoring the risen Christ.

The Acts of the Apostles is the second book attributed to Luke, I believe written about 80-90 A.D., we now come to one of the most frequently quoted verses of Paul to support the false teaching of the sacredness of Sunday: (Acts: 20: 7) And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. Now let’s take a close look at this verse and dissect it a little. Notice Paul continued his speech until midnight! It was after sunset, but prior to midnight. The first day of the week in biblical times did not begin at midnight, as men begin it today.


The Lord’s days begin and end at evening (sunset). (Gen. 1:5) And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first. All biblical days began and ended at sunset. Throughout the Roman world at that time, and for a few hundred years afterward, days began and ended at sunset. The practice of beginning the new day at midnight was started much later.


So this meeting, and Paul’s preaching, took place during the time that we now call Saturday night. Remember when dealing with the Lord’s days the evening comes first. If you read more than just that one verse you would see what actually happen. Paul’s companions were engaged in the labor of rowing and sailing a boat while Paul was preaching that Saturday night and early Sunday. They had set sail Saturday night, after the sabbath had ended. Paul remained behind for one more farewell sermon. Then at day break Sunday morning, Paul set afoot, walking from Tro’-as to As’-sos to meet the ship. So actually Paul left Sunday Morning, but this verse (Acts: 20:7) says nothing about a change of the Lord’s Holy Sabbath day. And the term “break bread” simply means to eat, so every time Paul ate he broke bread, search it out for your self, the bible tells you to; (1Thess. 5:21) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

The keeping of Sunday as the Christian Sabbath is not of God but of Man. Remember the Church started in the Wilderness in Acts 7: 38


This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us: Theses are the Hebrew Israelites, didn’t Paul say in Romans 9: 3 For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: 4 who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; 5 whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

The real danger is not which day you meet. The real danger is trusting obedience to a day to make you right with God. “by grace are ye saved through faith… not of works” ~Ephesians 2:8-9. When a day becomes the test of salvation, the focus moves from Christ’s finished work to human performance.

The question is simple. Are you resting in a calendar, or are you resting in the Savior who said, “Come unto me… and I will give you rest” ~Matthew 11:28.

Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about. And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all. And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. (Luke 4:14-16)

Jesus made it clear that the seventh day was made for mankind. (Mark 2:27-28) (v.27) And he said unto them, The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath: Do we understand that, the Sabbath was made for us, not us for the Sabbath. (v.28) Therefore the Son of man is Lord also of the Sabbath. The Son of man (Jesus) is the Lord God of the seventh day Sabbath (Saturday). (Ex.31:16-17) (v.16) Wherefore the children of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, to observe the Sabbath throughout their generations, for a perpetual covenant. (v.17) It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed. You see that the Sabbath day is a sign between God and His people forever. Israel was His people then and whoever chooses to obey Him now are His people.

 

[bdavidc]

In Leviticus, 23rd Chapter the Sabbath day and the High Holy Days which begin I believe on the new moon.

You’re mixing what was given as a covenant sign to Israel with what defines the people of Christ.

Yes, our Lord entered the synagogue on the Sabbath ~Luke 4:16. Why? Because He was born under the law ~Galatians 4:4. He came to fulfill it, not to keep His people forever bound to the shadows it pointed toward. The question is not what Christ practiced before the cross, but what He accomplished by the cross.

You quote that the Sabbath is a sign forever, but the text tells you who the sign was given to: “between me and the children of Israel” ~Exodus 31:16-17. A sign marks a covenant people. The new covenant marks its people differently: God writes His law on the heart ~Hebrews 8:10. The apostles never told the nations to enter Israel’s covenant sign. Instead they warned the churches, “Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you” ~Galatians 4:10-11.

You are trying to preserve the shadow after the substance has come. The Scripture says plainly, “Let no man therefore judge you… in respect of… sabbath days: which are a shadow… but the body is of Christ” ~Colossians 2:16-17. When the reality arrives, clinging to the outline dishonors the Person it pointed to.

And here is the heart of it. The Sabbath was never the final rest. “He that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works” ~Hebrews 4:10. The true rest is not a 24 hour period. The true rest is the end of trusting your obedience and the beginning of trusting Christ.

So the danger is not meeting on Saturday or Sunday. The danger is this: are you resting in a day, or are you resting in the finished work of the Son of God? Only one of those can save you.

 

[bdavidc]

I need to ask a question before I respond. Which law was our school master?

Let the text define the answer, not our preferences. Paul is not speaking about some vague principle. He is speaking about the written commandments that condemn the sinner. He says, “I had not known sin, but by the law… Thou shalt not covet” ~Romans 7:7. That is the commandment itself exposing the heart. The law does not heal you. It shows you that you are sick.

Then he says, “before faith came, we were kept under the law” ~Galatians 3:23 and “the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ” ~Galatians 3:24. A schoolmaster does not give life. He escorts the guilty child to the judge. The law shuts your mouth, removes every excuse, and leaves you needing mercy.

And what happens when a man runs to Christ? “After that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster” ~Galatians 3:25. Not because the law was bad, but because it finished its assignment. It brought you to the only One who can justify you.

So the law shows you your sin. Christ saves you from it. If you go back to the law to make yourself righteous, you are returning to the classroom after the verdict has already been settled at the cross.

 

[bro.tan]

Let the text define the answer, not our preferences. Paul is not speaking about some vague principle. He is speaking about the written commandments that condemn the sinner. He says, “I had not known sin, but by the law… Thou shalt not covet” ~Romans 7:7. That is the commandment itself exposing the heart. The law does not heal you. It shows you that you are sick.

Then he says, “before faith came, we were kept under the law” ~Galatians 3:23 and “the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ” ~Galatians 3:24. A schoolmaster does not give life. He escorts the guilty child to the judge. The law shuts your mouth, removes every excuse, and leaves you needing mercy.

And what happens when a man runs to Christ? “After that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster” ~Galatians 3:25. Not because the law was bad, but because it finished its assignment. It brought you to the only One who can justify you.

So the law shows you your sin. Christ saves you from it. If you go back to the law to make yourself righteous, you are returning to the classroom after the verdict has already been settled at the cross.

Let's take another look into (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

To sum up what going on here in Galatians, Paul is explaining that Christ came from Abraham seed, and remove the animal Sacrificial law. But in the days of Abraham that animal Sacrificial law never was on the table, and was not needed for Abraham to obey and have faith in God. But the Commandments was always on the table.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)

(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. (Paul breaks down more of this law in Hebrew 10th Chapter)

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law, not the Royal Commandments.

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. So when you quoted all the places in the Bible that do away with this animal sacrificial law, not understanding that Paul talks about two sets of law. The Royal law (Ten Commandments) and the animal sacrificial law sometimes in the same verses, you bring can bring destruction to yourself not knowing which law is which.

 

[bro.tan]

You’re mixing what was given as a covenant sign to Israel with what defines the people of Christ.

Yes, our Lord entered the synagogue on the Sabbath ~Luke 4:16. Why? Because He was born under the law ~Galatians 4:4. He came to fulfill it, not to keep His people forever bound to the shadows it pointed toward. The question is not what Christ practiced before the cross, but what He accomplished by the cross.

You quote that the Sabbath is a sign forever, but the text tells you who the sign was given to: “between me and the children of Israel” ~Exodus 31:16-17. A sign marks a covenant people. The new covenant marks its people differently: God writes His law on the heart ~Hebrews 8:10. The apostles never told the nations to enter Israel’s covenant sign. Instead they warned the churches, “Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you” ~Galatians 4:10-11.

You are trying to preserve the shadow after the substance has come. The Scripture says plainly, “Let no man therefore judge you… in respect of… sabbath days: which are a shadow… but the body is of Christ” ~Colossians 2:16-17. When the reality arrives, clinging to the outline dishonors the Person it pointed to.

In Leviticus, 23rd Chapter the Sabbath day and the High Holy Days which begin I believe on the new moon. Are the feast of the Lord's. These days are to be observe in their season. In Colossians 2:16-17, "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days. Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. These feast days are the plans of God, they represent the future, with example from the past. All Holy Days are not to eat or drink, such as the atonement, but still to be observe. So this is actually what a person would say to someone who do not keep these feast day of the Lord, if they were judging them on those High and Holy Sabbath days, they were keeping. They would quoted Colossians 2: 16-17. So if you keep the first day of the week, Sunday, Easter and Christmas Paganism, then it makes no sense to use this verse. You cannot worship other days and God’s, that’s not written in the Bible to do, and then use the Bible to justify it. So if you keep another day thats not written in the Bible, then you are doing something on your own, thus it would really be contradictorily.

And here is the heart of it. The Sabbath was never the final rest. “He that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works” ~Hebrews 4:10. The true rest is not a 24 hour period. The true rest is the end of trusting your obedience and the beginning of trusting Christ.

So the danger is not meeting on Saturday or Sunday. The danger is this: are you resting in a day, or are you resting in the finished work of the Son of God? Only one of those can save you.

The lord have not changed his ways. For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed (Malachi 3:6) or Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. Honoring the Sabbath on the 7th day is a commandment from God given from the beginning of the creation.

The Sabbath did not start with Moses; understand that the Sabbath day is intended to be observe by all nation of people. Its origin goes back to the creation of the world and of mankind. In (Genesis 2:1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2 And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

The above scriptures clearly show that God blessed, sanctified and made Holy the 7th Day at the beginning of the world. God chose to cease from His labor not because He was tired. He chose to cease and rest because he was finished with His creation. The Lord had completed the heavens and the earth along with the creation of man. This day represent a future day of rest, after the Great tribulation period.

This day is not alike any other day, it's set apart. Paul understood in Hebrews 4: 3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, If they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5 And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6 Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7 again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, Harden not your hearts. 8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.

So this is what the whole world would be missing out on, because some don’t believe, they believe Sunday is the day to have an Holy Convocation on and it’s not written in the Bible.

Let’s go into the future and see what the Lord expects in the future concerning his Sabbaths. Let turn to Isaiah 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 56:2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.

56:3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people: neither let the eunuch say, Behold, I am a dry tree. 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 56:5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 56:6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 56:7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Now, we in the future in Jesus kingdom, what we call the millennium period where Christ will reign for a thousands years, this is that day of rest and it represent a Sabbath day. Let’s take a look in Revelation 20: 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Even though it's a 1000 yrs, it's as one day, because in 2 Peter 3: But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. So keeping the Commandments of God, his statues and Judgement, which include the Sabbath day on the seventh day of the week. That practice will get you in the first resurrection, plus it's part of the Commandments. Remember the wages of Sin is death and grace is nothing more than a free gift. And that free gift is our access back to the tree of life (Jesus) which Adam caused us to lose by disobeying God. Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned: (Romans 5: 12) But to maintain your grace you must keep the law. (1John 3:4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

 

[bdavidc]

Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts.

You are saying many true things about God’s holiness, but you are drawing the wrong conclusion about how a man is saved and kept.

Yes, God does not change ~Malachi 3:6. Yes, the seventh day was blessed ~Genesis 2:3. Yes, sin is lawlessness ~1 John 3:4. But the question is not whether the law is holy. Scripture already says, “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good” ~Romans 7:12. The question is whether the law can give life.

Scripture is painfully clear. “If there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law” ~Galatians 3:21. That is not opinion. That is the Word of God. The law cannot give life. “By the law is the knowledge of sin” ~Romans 3:20. It exposes sin. It shuts the mouth. It leaves the whole world guilty before God ~Romans 3:19.

You say grace must be maintained by keeping the law. Then listen carefully to what the Spirit says: “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace” ~Galatians 5:4. You do not maintain grace by law. If righteousness come by the law, “then Christ is dead in vain” ~Galatians 2:21. The moment law-keeping becomes the ground of securing your standing before God, grace is no longer grace ~Romans 11:6.

The Sabbath was given as a covenant sign to Israel. “It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever” ~Exodus 31:17. It pointed forward. The sacrifices pointed forward. The priesthood pointed forward. The temple pointed forward. Scripture says these things “are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ” ~Colossians 2:17.

The writer of Hebrews does not send believers back to the seventh day. He says, “For we which have believed do enter into rest” ~Hebrews 4:3. And again, “He that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works” ~Hebrews 4:10. The rest is entered by faith. It is ceasing from trusting your works and resting in Christ.

Revelation 20 does not say Sabbath observance grants participation in the first resurrection. It says, “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection” ~Revelation 20:6. Scripture elsewhere makes clear who those are: those redeemed by the Lamb ~Revelation 5:9, those written in the Lamb’s book of life ~Revelation 21:27. The ground of resurrection is union with Christ, not observance of a day.

When you stand before God, what will you plead? Your Sabbath-keeping? Your commandment-keeping? Your maintenance of grace?

Or will you say with the apostle, “that I may win Christ, and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ” ~Philippians 3:8-9?

The law defines sin, yes. But the law cannot remove sin. Only Christ can. “For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14. “The blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin” ~1 John 1:7.

True saving faith does not produce lawlessness. “We are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works” ~Ephesians 2:10. Obedience is the fruit of salvation, not the root of it. We are saved “by grace… through faith… not of works” ~Ephesians 2:8-9.

The most dangerous error is not open rebellion. It is religious self-confidence. It is taking something God once commanded and turning it into the ground of justification.

The only safe place for your soul is not in a day. It is not in a system. It is not in your ability to maintain obedience. It is in Christ alone. “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus” ~Romans 8:1.

The true Sabbath rest is entered by faith in the finished work of the Son of God. Unless you have ceased from your own works as the basis of righteousness and trusted wholly in Him, you have not entered that rest.

 

[bro.tan]

You are saying many true things about God’s holiness, but you are drawing the wrong conclusion about how a man is saved and kept.

Yes, God does not change ~Malachi 3:6. Yes, the seventh day was blessed ~Genesis 2:3. Yes, sin is lawlessness ~1 John 3:4. But the question is not whether the law is holy. Scripture already says, “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good” ~Romans 7:12. The question is whether the law can give life.

Scripture is painfully clear. “If there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law” ~Galatians 3:21. That is not opinion. That is the Word of God. The law cannot give life. “By the law is the knowledge of sin” ~Romans 3:20. It exposes sin. It shuts the mouth. It leaves the whole world guilty before God ~Romans 3:19.

You say grace must be maintained by keeping the law. Then listen carefully to what the Spirit says: “Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace” ~Galatians 5:4. You do not maintain grace by law. If righteousness come by the law, “then Christ is dead in vain” ~Galatians 2:21. The moment law-keeping becomes the ground of securing your standing before God, grace is no longer grace ~Romans 11:6.

The Sabbath was given as a covenant sign to Israel. “It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever” ~Exodus 31:17. It pointed forward. The sacrifices pointed forward. The priesthood pointed forward. The temple pointed forward. Scripture says these things “are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ” ~Colossians 2:17.

The writer of Hebrews does not send believers back to the seventh day. He says, “For we which have believed do enter into rest” ~Hebrews 4:3. And again, “He that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works” ~Hebrews 4:10. The rest is entered by faith. It is ceasing from trusting your works and resting in Christ.

Revelation 20 does not say Sabbath observance grants participation in the first resurrection. It says, “Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection” ~Revelation 20:6. Scripture elsewhere makes clear who those are: those redeemed by the Lamb ~Revelation 5:9, those written in the Lamb’s book of life ~Revelation 21:27. The ground of resurrection is union with Christ, not observance of a day.

When you stand before God, what will you plead? Your Sabbath-keeping? Your commandment-keeping? Your maintenance of grace?

Or will you say with the apostle, “that I may win Christ, and be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ” ~Philippians 3:8-9?

The law defines sin, yes. But the law cannot remove sin. Only Christ can. “For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14. “The blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin” ~1 John 1:7.

True saving faith does not produce lawlessness. “We are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works” ~Ephesians 2:10. Obedience is the fruit of salvation, not the root of it. We are saved “by grace… through faith… not of works” ~Ephesians 2:8-9.

The most dangerous error is not open rebellion. It is religious self-confidence. It is taking something God once commanded and turning it into the ground of justification.

The only safe place for your soul is not in a day. It is not in a system. It is not in your ability to maintain obedience. It is in Christ alone. “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus” ~Romans 8:1.

The true Sabbath rest is entered by faith in the finished work of the Son of God. Unless you have ceased from your own works as the basis of righteousness and trusted wholly in Him, you have not entered that rest.

Again when the Bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the animal sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins).

Paul explained this in; (Hebrews 10: (v.1) For the law (what law, the law of animal sacrifice?) having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect. (v.9) Then said he, (Jesus) Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first that he may establish the second. (v.10) By which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all. 11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering oftentimes the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins: 12 but this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God; 13 from henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool. 14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

The point that is not understood is that we all have sin, but until Jesus came, there was no way of getting out from under your sins. So God institute a Priesthood and laws that went with the priesthood to control the sinning, and so the Lord use animal Sacrificial laws, even though it could not remove sins.

When Jesus died on the cross that was the end of the first covenant, which consisted of the blood of animals and the keeping of God’s commandments. And his death also brought in the second covenant, which consist of the blood of Jesus and the keeping of God’s commandments. (v.18) Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. In other words, no more animals are going to die for your sins. (20) by a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh; (21) and having an high priest over the house of God; (v.26) For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins.

Now do we understand what’s being said here? If you sin willfully after you have knowledge of what the truth is, no more animals are going to die for you. (v.27) But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. Now if you are being deceived into believing that once you are under God’s grace you no longer have to keep his commandments, all you have to look forward to is the day of judgement and the lake of fire (fiery indignation).

Let us avoid this at all costs, seeking a better reward. Jesus will return real soon And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. (Revelation 22:12).

Throughout the bible we find that in order to receive eternal salvation we must keep God's commandments to the end. If we make a mistake we must not give up, but I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus (Philippians 3:13-14). The last chapter in the whole bible reminds us of this one last time. "Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life." (Revelation 22:14). After this we find only seven more verses in the bible, and none of them does away with God's commandments.

 

[bdavidc]

Throughout the bible we find that in order to receive eternal salvation we must keep God's commandments to the end.

You are redefining the gospel.

You keep narrowing “the law” down to animal sacrifices so you can preserve commandment-keeping as a condition of eternal salvation. Scripture does not make that division.

Paul says plainly, “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. He does not say “by animal sacrifices only.” He says law.

He says, “As many as are of the works of the law are under the curse” ~Galatians 3:10. Again, not just priests. Not just bulls and goats. Law.

You claim the new covenant consists of Christ’s blood plus keeping God’s commandments to the end in order to receive eternal salvation. That is not the gospel Paul preached.

He said, “To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness” ~Romans 4:5.

Worketh not.

If eternal salvation depends on your sustained commandment-keeping, then salvation is no longer by grace. “If by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace” ~Romans 11:6.

You quote Revelation 22:14, but you ignore that eternal life is grounded in union with Christ. “He that hath the Son hath life” ~1 John 5:12. Not he that maintains flawless obedience.

Obedience is the fruit of salvation. It is not the condition that keeps you saved. “For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14. Perfected for ever. Not perfected until you fail.

You are mixing law and grace as co-grounds of eternal life. Paul calls that falling from grace ~Galatians 5:4.

That is not a minor doctrinal difference. That is altering the basis of justification.

The gospel is not Christ plus your endurance under the law.

It is Christ alone.

 

[bro.tan]

You are redefining the gospel.

You keep narrowing “the law” down to animal sacrifices so you can preserve commandment-keeping as a condition of eternal salvation. Scripture does not make that division.

Paul says plainly, “By the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight” ~Romans 3:20. He does not say “by animal sacrifices only.” He says law.

He says, “As many as are of the works of the law are under the curse” ~Galatians 3:10. Again, not just priests. Not just bulls and goats. Law.

You claim the new covenant consists of Christ’s blood plus keeping God’s commandments to the end in order to receive eternal salvation. That is not the gospel Paul preached.

He said, “To him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness” ~Romans 4:5.

Worketh not.

If eternal salvation depends on your sustained commandment-keeping, then salvation is no longer by grace. “If by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace” ~Romans 11:6.

You quote Revelation 22:14, but you ignore that eternal life is grounded in union with Christ. “He that hath the Son hath life” ~1 John 5:12. Not he that maintains flawless obedience.

Obedience is the fruit of salvation. It is not the condition that keeps you saved. “For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified” ~Hebrews 10:14. Perfected for ever. Not perfected until you fail.

You are mixing law and grace as co-grounds of eternal life. Paul calls that falling from grace ~Galatians 5:4.

That is not a minor doctrinal difference. That is altering the basis of justification.

The gospel is not Christ plus your endurance under the law.

It is Christ alone.

Let's gets some understanding from this point of view, because you are ignoring a whole lot that I'm saying. Now.....Jesus brought grace when he came in the flesh, but example of grace was in the days of Noah. But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD. (Genesis 6:8), And Noah and his family was saved. Not save from eternal life, but saved from the flood. This is why Jesus had to come. Paul says in Hebrews 9: 24 For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 26 for then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

Now Paul said in (Rom. 3:23-25) (v.23) For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God. (v.24) Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

(v.25) Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God.

So the bible tells you to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost." (Acts 2 :36-38). And by doing so you come up under his precious blood and then you are saved from your sins that are past, not present or future sins but for sins that are past. We were all locked under death by Adam’s sin, even the second death, which is the lake of fire. But when Jesus became (he was God in the beginning) man and died for the sins of the world, he gave us access back to the tree of life (himself) which Adam had caused us to lose. That’s what grace is, our free gift our access back to the tree of life but that’s another lesson for another time.

So by coming under the blood of Jesus being baptize, you are saved from your past sins. And if you are saved now, it is on a day to day basis. Because for all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God (Romans 23:3), and if you continue to live you will sin again.

When the bible speaks of laws we no longer have to keep, it is speaking of the sacrificial laws and Priesthood laws. These animal sacrificial laws were a school master pointing us to the fact that Jesus would be sacrificed for our sins. Since Jesus died we are no longer under a school master, (required to offer up bulls and goats for our sins). Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster.(Gal 3:24)

Now we must believe (have faith) Jesus died for us (Hebrews 10:4,9-10) 4 For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins. 9 then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second. 10 By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

This doesn't mean we don't have to obey God's moral laws of conduct. That would be like a man getting paroled from prison and then ignoring the same laws that sent him to prison in the first place. Jesus only died once, so if we willingly break God's law, after accepting Jesus, our reward will be eternal damnation

It is the willful sinning that you need to put in check. For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, but a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. (Hebrew 10: 26, 27)