Could Ezekiel 37, 38 and 39 all be post millennial?

[Spiritual Israelite]

@Spiritual Israelite does not understand how Christ became a life-giving Spirit because they do not wish to look in the Power of the Resurrection from the dead.

Because they believe Christ is God and that he did not cease to exist in death, they cling to falsehoods. These lies will continually deprive them of the true power of the victory that Paul taught.

1 Corinthians 15:57: "But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ."

Zao - its the "through" part they do not understand.

You are very foolish and are completely lacking in spiritual discernment. Unlike you, scripture differentiates between Christ's humanity and His deity. Your denial that Jesus is God is HERESY! Repent of your heresy before it's too late! Your rejection of who Jesus Christ is makes me sick and puts you in danger of ending up in HELL!

The following scriptures all CLEARLY teach that Jesus is God. I wonder which other scriptures you reject besides these?

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Matthew 1:23 “The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”).

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men. 5 And the light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it. 6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. 7 This man came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all through him might believe. 8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light. 9 That[ was the true Light which gives light to every man coming into the world. 10 He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him. 11 He came to His own, and His own did not receive Him. 12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name: 13 who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God. 14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth. 15 John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”

Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. 17 And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist.

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

John 20:26 And after eight days His disciples were again inside, and Thomas with them. Jesus came, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, “Peace to you!” 27 Then He said to Thomas, “Reach your finger here, and look at My hands; and reach your hand here, and put it into My side. Do not be unbelieving, but believing.” 28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”.

Philippians 2:5 In your relationships with one another, have the same mindset as Christ Jesus: 6 Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; 7 rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness.

Colossians 2:8 Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ. 9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.

Titus 2:13 looking for the blessed hope and glorious appearing of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ,

Romans 9:5 Theirs are the patriarchs, and from them is traced the human ancestry of the Messiah, who is God over all, forever praised![a] Amen.

Hebrews 1:8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever; a scepter of justice will be the scepter of your kingdom.

2 Peter 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant and apostle of Jesus Christ, To those who through the righteousness of our God and Savior Jesus Christ have received a faith as precious as ours:

1 John 5:20 We know also that the Son of God has come and has given us understanding, so that we may know him who is true. And we are in him who is true by being in his Son Jesus Christ. He is the true God and eternal life.

Revelation 1:7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds,” and “every eye will see him, even those who pierced him”; and all peoples on earth “will mourn because of him.” So shall it be! Amen. 8 “I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

 

[Zao is life]

Any verses that suggest such a thing. I'm pretty sure even Jesus does not judge at the GWTJ in Rev 20.

Joh 12:46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.
Joh 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

This other "person" who sent Jesus shall be the one to judge on the last day. Jesus is very clear to say he isn't the one to do this.[//[/

Jesus did not say that this other "person" who Jesus said shall judge those who reject Him and His words in the last day is God the Father - but the very words of Christ, which is the very Word of the Father.

This isn't semantics. Jesus used the expression "the last day" in respect of those whom He will raise from the dead in the last day also (John 6:44).

Jesus also said that what condemns a person is not believing in Him - and He mentioned those who do not believe in Him hiding from God (the way Adam did):

"This is the condemnation, that the light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God." -- John 3:19-21.

Adam hid from God because of his sin - but in His mercy God called Him.

There was /is mercy in Christ (alone).

Acts 17:31 tells us that the evidence and assurance that we have that a man has been appointed (by the Father) to be the judge on an appointed day, is that God has raised Him from the dead.

The entire gospel teaches us that the reason why Jesus is the judge of man is because He became man and bore the sins of man in His own body, and rose again - for our salvation. Without His interceding blood there is no forgiveness for sins -and this is the difference seen at the GWT between those whose names are in the Lamb's Book of Life and those who must be judged by their own works and own righteousness.

To me it's very unlikely that Jesus would say that the hour is coming in the which ALL who are in the graves will hear His voice and come forth - some to everlasting life and some to everlasting damnation

- in the same place where He said God "hath given him (Jesus) authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man"

- if He knew that when the day arrives for ALL the dead to be judged at the GWT, it would be God the Father who will be doing the judging
- without giving any hint or clarification of it.

It is also impossible that the mediator appointed to be our judge were removed from the judgment seat of God at the GWT

- because then there would be no one to mediate and no one covered by the blood of the Lamb - and hence, no names in the Lamb's Book of Life.

The Lamb has to be present at the GWT, regardless of whether or not we are already immortal. I believe the blood of the Lamb will eternally intercede for those who are saved - those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life have been written into that book by His blood.

Those to whom Jesus was speaking in John 12:37-50 (the context) will not be covered by His blood, hence will be judged - by His words that they were rejecting.

What Jesus said in John 12 does not support your argument, IMO - because there Jesus is talking about His words that He was speaking to that audience who were rejecting HIS WORDS (the context of the passage was present-tense):

49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

The time was present-tense:

44 He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me.
45 And he that seeth me seeth him that sent me.
46 I am come a light into the world, that whosoever believeth on me should not abide in darkness.

47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

Jesus was speaking about the time He was coming to SAVE the world through His death for sin and His resurrection - He was not speaking about the time of judgment in the last day UNTIL He said:

48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
49 For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.
50 And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.

It's not the Father Himself "in person" whom Jesus was saying will be their judge in the last day, but the words He spoke

- and that's because that last day will be the day that He (Jesus) will judge the world

- because BESIDES ALL THE ABOVE facts

From beginning to end, whatever God the Father has done, He has done by His Word and His Spirit:

"By the word of The LORD were the heavens made; and all the host of them by the breath (Hebrew: ruach, i.e Spirit) of His mouth." --Psalm 33:6.

God the Father sent His Word into the world to save the world by His Word, and He will judge the world by His Word:

Joh 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.
Joh 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

You have turned Jesus's reference to His words into a reference to the Father that Jesus never implied.

So I do not understand how you can say He would be removed from the judgment seat at the GWT - nor do I understand how you can say this despite the fact that all through the New Testament we are told that Jesus is the one whom the Father has appointed to be the judge

- and yet the judgment in the last day is somehow different "because the last day is the GWT"?

DANIEL 7

Daniel 7:9 says thrones (plural) were cast down, and the ancient of days did sit, and verse 10 says "thousand thousands" ministered unto him, distringuishing them from the "ten thousand times ten thousand" that stood before him (FOR JUDGMENT) - and then only does it say why:

"The judgment was set, and the books were opened."

It's not telling you that God ALWAYS does everything by and through His Word and His Spirit - because Daniel does not need to tell you that. Verses 13-14 say only that "one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him" - the verses say NOTHING more about the throne of judgment.

IMO you have really danced a jig upon the biblical facts - the fact that God the Father will judge the world by His Word who became a man - whom the Father appointed to be judge after raising Him from the dead - having appointed Him before the foundation of the world to be both Savior and judge.

 

[Zao is life]

Now, here's one post of yours that I can agree with. I wonder if he even understood what he said? What a bunch of gibberish. LOL.

I was wondering what happened to you.

Usual entry. Door flung wide open so hard it almost comes off by the hinges: "BLAH BLAH BLAH. I'M BACK! I have an extra bag of mocking others and mocking the words of God when the words of God are quoted by someone else (just in case I run out)" ..

etc etc.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

I was wondering what happened to you.

Usual entry. Door flung wide open so hard it almost comes off by the hinges: "BLAH BLAH BLAH. I'M BACK! I have an extra bag of mocking others and mocking the words of God when the words of God are quoted by someone else (just in case I run out)" ..

etc etc.

And here's even more gibberish from you. I would never mock the words of God, but I definitely won't hesitate to mock your words when they are as nonsensical as they are at times. You just have no idea how little sense you make sometimes. I mean, we're talking about someone (you) who thinks that the dead will be resurrected and then be allowed to run around on the earth instead of being brought before Christ's throne to be judged, as scripture teaches. When you believe ridiculous things like that, it's natural that your explanations for those types of beliefs will turn out to be complete gibberish.

 

[Zao is life]

And here's even more gibberish from you. I would never mock the words of God, but I definitely won't hesitate to mock your words when they are as nonsensical as they are at times. You just have no idea how little sense you make sometimes. I mean, we're talking about someone (you) who thinks that the dead will be resurrected and then be allowed to run around on the earth instead of being brought before Christ's throne to be judged, as scripture teaches. When you believe ridiculous things like that, it's natural that your explanations for those types of beliefs will turn out to be complete gibberish.

That's another thing you do - claim people said things they never said.

But you believe Adam would not have continued to live forever in his non-decaying body while he was able to eat of the tree of life and live forever in his non-decaying body,

and you believe that Adam did not apostatize from placing his faith only in the Word of God

- because you do not believe apostasy is possible for anyone who is alive in a body that does not decay.

So either you are totally confused by your own false religious beliefs or you just deliberately lie about what others said (I think in your case it's more of the latter reason than the former reason, although at times it's both). I lost hope of hearing the fruit of the Spirit come out your mouth long ago.

As I have said before and have said all along, only those who have been redeemed by the blood of Christ through their faith in Him will be immortal and adhere to the Word of God in Christ - until Satan is released to deceive mankind.

But you do not believe that Adam or any human being descended from him could apostatize from placing his faith only in the Word of God

- because you do not believe apostasy is possible for anyone who is alive in a body that does not decay - Adam did not apostatize from faith in the Word of God alone, in your opinion. In your religion God did not need to prevent him from eating of the tree of life and living forever in that fallen state - because he was not going to continue to live forever in a body that does not decay - because he was not immortal (in your religion).

 

[grafted branch]

if He knew that when the day arrives for ALL the dead to be judged at the GWT, it would be God the Father who will be doing the judging
- without giving any hint or clarification of it.

It is also impossible that the mediator appointed to be our judge were removed from the judgment seat of God at the GWT

Can you give me your view on 1 Corinthians 15:28? When do you see all things subdued unto Him? The last enemy is death and I would think it’s subdued when everyone gets resurrected. That then leads to God being all in all. What do you see “that God may be all in all” meaning? Could that mean that God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit no longer have distinct rolls, They all together are the judge at the GWT?

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That's another thing you do - claim people said things they never said.

No, I don't. I don't think you even understand what you're saying half the time.

But you believe Adam would not have continued to live forever in his non-decaying body while he was able to eat of the tree of life and live forever in his non-decaying body,

He and Eve were made in such a way that it was inevitable that they would sin. You continue to ignore what the words incorruptible and immortal mean. An incorruptible and immortal body CANNOT DIE. Hello? Stop trying to change definitions of words to make scripture fit your beliefs.

and you believe that Adam did not apostatize from placing his faith only in the Word of God

Excuse me? Where did I ever say that? Talk about claiming people said things they never said! YOU are the one who does that frequently, not me.

- because you do not believe apostasy is possible for anyone who is alive in a body that does not decay.

Of course I don't! Because, unlike you, I accept what the words incorruptible and immortal mean.

Typical definitions of the words from English dictionaries:

incorruptible (adjective): not subject to death or decay; everlasting.

immortal (adjective): living forever; never dying or decaying.



Definitions of the words from the Zao is life Dictionary of Nonsense:

incorruptible (adjective): subject to death and decay: not everlasting

immortal (adjective): living temporarily; always dying and decaying

So either you are totally confused by your own false religious beliefs or you just deliberately lie about what others said (I think in your case it's more of the latter reason than the former reason, although at times it's both). I lost hope of hearing the fruit of the Spirit come out your mouth long ago.

What did I say about what you said that isn't true? You're just making this claim without even showing what I supposedly misrepresented about what you said. Now, is it possible that I misrepresented what you said? For sure. You're often not very clear. But, would I do that purposely? Absolutely not. Why would I? I believe in honestly and that lying is a sin.

As I have said before and have said all along, only those who have been redeemed by the blood of Christ through their faith in Him will be immortal and adhere to the Word of God in Christ - until Satan is released to deceive mankind.

But you do not believe that Adam or any human being descended from him could apostatize from placing his faith only in the Word of God

While in these mortal bodies that we have now, anyone could apostasize and I never said otherwise. But, once we have immortal bodies that can't die? Of course I wouldn't believe that anyone could apostasize at that point. That's ridiculous.

- because you do not believe apostasy is possible for anyone who is alive in a body that does not decay

Of course I don't. And almost no one else believes that, either. You're pretty much alone in that belief.

- Adam did not apostatize from faith in the Word of God alone, in your opinion. In your religion God did not need to prevent him from eating of the tree of life and living forever in that fallen state because he was not going to continue to live forever in a body that does not decay - because he was not immortal (in your religion).

In my religion? So, you're claiming I'm not a Christian and that my religion is not Christianity then? How can you think that he was immortal when the word immortal means that you cannot die? Clearly, he and Eve were not immortal or else they would have never sinned and died. Again, you are making up a definition for the word immortal that doesn't exist. If someone is immortal they cannot die. That's what the word means.

 

[Zao is life]

Can you give me your view on 1 Corinthians 15:28? When do you see all things subdued unto Him?

I used to believe and argue for the Premil view but it cannot be the case once death has been destroyed, and:

The last enemy is death and I would think it’s subdued when everyone gets resurrected.

I agree. I do not believe in a new heavens and new earth that follows a thousand years after the return of Christ.

Nor do I believe the millennium is now.

I'll shorten the explanation: Adam was prevented from eating of the tree of life and living forever in his fallen, sinful state because until then he was immortal.

That's how the first age of the ages of the ages ends - with one exception:

1. Being prevented by God from eating of the tree of life and living forever in a non-decaying body in that sinful state was mercy,

- but

2. There will be no mercy for those descendants of Adam who had been resurrected and aspostatized the way Adam did - fire will come down from God out of heaven and destroy them - they will be destroyed (damned) - both soul and body- in gehennah, "where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched".

That then leads to God being all in all. What do you see “that God may be all in all” meaning?

Jesus said. "I in the Father and the Father in Me. I in you and you in Me."

That's what God being all in all means, IMO

- it has not happened yet because there are still billions who do not have the Spirit of Christ in them - but once the resurrection of the dead has taken place, then God will be all in all.

Could that mean that God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit no longer have distinct rolls, They all together are the judge at the GWT?

I do not believe in defining the way God "IS" with the word "roles" or anything not revealed.

We know that there is only one God - the Father.

Since the beginning, God - the Father - has always done whatever He does by and through His Word and by the power of His Spirit.

Jesus, once He rose again from the dead - is alive [zao] forevermore because He has eternal life [zoe] in Himself.

So there is to us only one God, the Father, of whom are all things - and we IN Him,
and one Lord Jesus Christ THROUGH whom are all things, and we BY Him.

- and so God will be all in all.

1 Corinthians 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

God will be all in all. I believe it.

 

[Zao is life]

He and Eve were made in such a way that it was inevitable that they would sin.

That's absolute nonsense. He and Eve were made in the image and likeness of God - and you are a blasphemer. You are making God responsible for their sin.

Man was made with the ability to make a choice.

You continue to ignore what the words incorruptible and immortal mean.

It is you who continues to ignore what a human being being incourruptible and immortal has always depended upon.

An incorruptible and immortal body CANNOT DIE. Hello?

Adam DIED. Hello?

Stop trying to change definitions of words to make scripture fit your beliefs.

That's what you do.

You have the definition of incorruptible and immortal in a dictionary and still you do not understand - because you show by all your statements that you do not understand why Adam died - the only reason - according to what is written - Adam died.

Eternal life that is in God breathed into a created human will cause that being to be alive forever - but God has the power to give that life that ensures a created human being remains alive, or prevent the created human being from continuing to have access to that eternal life - which God alone possesses IN HIMSELF.

But you have exalted yourself, so you cannot understand these basic things.

I'm not answering any more of your questions. It's a waste of time because you cannot be taken seriously.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That's absolute nonsense. He and Eve were made in the image and likeness of God - and you are a blasphemer. You are making God responsible for their sin.

Man was made with the ability to make a choice.

You are always full of lies. I am not a blasphemer, you LIAR. Look at how easily Adam and Eve were deceived. But, you think it's possible they could have gone forever without sinning? I am not making God responsible for their sin. He obviously made them with the capability of choosing to sin or else they wouldn't have chose to sin. But, seeing how easily they were deceived, it's silly to think they could have never sinned.

It is you who continues to ignore what a human being being incourruptible and immortal has always depended upon.

You have to create a new definition for the words incorruptible and immortal to keep your false belief afloat. Do you have no shame? Why do you think it's okay to resort to such dishonest tactics as inventing new definitions for words in order to make scripture say what you want it to say?

Adam DIED. Hello?

HELLO? That means his body was never incorruptible and immortal. If it was he could not have died. Because that's what those words mean. An incorruptible, immortal body CANNOT die. HELLO?!

That's what you do.

You have the definition of incorruptible and immortal in a dictionary and still you do not understand - because you show by all your statements that you do not understand why Adam died - the only reason - according to what is written - Adam died.

An incorruptible and immortal body CANNOT DIE. But, you say it can. I'm not going to accept your made up definitions for those words.

Eternal life that is in God breathed into a created human will cause that being to be alive forever - but God has the power to give that life that ensures a created human being remains alive, or prevent the created human being from continuing to have access to that eternal life - which God alone possesses IN HIMSELF.

But you have exalted yourself, so you cannot understand these basic things.

I'm not answering any more of your questions. It's a waste of time because you cannot be taken seriously.

You mean basic things like the fact that the word incorruptible means "not subject to death or decay; everlasting" and that the word immortal means "living forever; never dying or decaying"?

You say I can't be taken seriously? Which one of us is trying to create new definitions for words? That would be you. So, YOU are the one who can't be taken seriously. YOU are the one who is DISHONEST and tries to twist the word of God to fit his beliefs by inventing new definitions for words.

 

[Hiddenthings]

There is no human being to whom it has ever been given to possess eternal life in Himself except Jesus, the Son of God, and no human being except Jesus, the Son of God, can or will ever possess eternal life in Himself.

So you believe Jesus was given this LIFE in himself.

Interesting!

1. The gospels tell us - It was not the Word of God who caused the conception in Mary, it was the Holy Spirit who caused the Word of God to be conceived as a human being in Mary. Jesus is not the Spirit of God who became flesh. He is the Word of God who became flesh and the life in Him is the Spirit of God - that is why it has been given by the Father to one human being alone to possess eternal life IN HIMSELF.

John 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.” (ESV)

Every time you post you are either agreeing with me or disagreeing with the Word.

2. If Christ was "born in the fallen line of Adam" then a descendant from the fallen line of Adam would have been his father - He would not have been conceived of the Holy Spirit of God and He would not be the only begotten [monogenes] Son of God.

It's as though I'm needing to teach you the milk of the Gospel - crazy!

Romans 1:1–4 (ESV) 1 Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God, 2 which he promised beforehand through his prophets in the holy Scriptures, 3 concerning his Son, who was descended from David according to the flesh

You are very far from the truth, Hiddenthings. Your doctrine is not of God but the doctrines of His adversary, Satan.

Ah I think it's really clear who is miles away from truth and its not me!

You are unable to grasp and believe the fact that the only HUMAN BEING who has ever been given - or will ever be given - eternal life [ZOE AIONIOS] IN HIMSELF, is Jesus, the Son of God.

Jesus was given this LIFE as per Romans 1:1-4 which you have clearly not read. Jesus became a Life giving Spirit when God raised him from the dead.

Because you do not understand the death state you cannot behold the LIFE God granted His Son.

Summary of your error:

1. You have admitted God (Father) granted (gave) Jesus Life (Eternal Divine Nature) in the exact some way as he will grant us life as per 2 Peter 1:4

“by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, so that through them you may become partakers of the divine nature, having escaped from the corruption that is in the world because of sinful desire.” (ESV)

This, like Christ, will happen to those who are resurrected and clothed (changed) from Mortal (corruptible nature) to Immortal (Divine Nature).

2. You do not understand that the Logos is God's Spirit Word (Power) often tilted Holy Spirit as per John 6:63

3. You do not know that Jesus even in his glorified state is a descendant of David and of the root of Jesse as per Revelation 5:5; 22:16

4. Because you do not understand the ending of this mortal life, you cannot grasp the power of the resurrected life that all who are in Christ will experience. The condemned human condition, along with the law of sin and death operating in the body, was broken in Jesus by God his Father. And now Christ lives forevermore.

Romans 6:9 "We know that Christ, being raised from the dead, will never die again; death no longer has dominion over him.”

Overall you have provided a confused position one which fails to deal with the theological position of the Apostles. You would do well to read and study Hebrews 2 and Romans 8 to begin your journey into truth.

 

[Hiddenthings]

You are very foolish and are completely lacking in spiritual discernment.

You and Zao always begin your replies with insults...I find it amusing.

Unlike you, scripture differentiates between Christ's humanity and His deity. Your denial that Jesus is God is HERESY! Repent of your heresy before it's too late! Your rejection of who Jesus Christ is makes me sick and puts you in danger of ending up in HELL!

The problem with this statement is you have no evidence for duality of natures. The Bible goes the extra mile to convince you that Christ was 100% your nature in every respect.

Hebrews 2:17 “Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.”

It's one thing to get the Lords nature wrong it another to not understand why!

The following scriptures all CLEARLY teach that Jesus is God. I wonder which other scriptures you reject besides these?

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a Child is born, Unto us a Son is given; And the government will be upon His shoulder. And His name will be called Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Future tense - Title which Jesus will be called when he is exalted to the right hand of the Father on high. Nowhere in this verse does it say God became man or that Christ had two natures.

This is really poor from you Spiritual

Revelation 1:17 When I saw him, I fell at his feet as though dead. Then he placed his right hand on me and said: “Do not be afraid. I am the First and the Last. 18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and now look, I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of death and Hades.

You conclude with a verse that teaches Jesus was born, lived a mortal life, fully died, and then was raised to live forevermore.

Who is the One who gave Jesus a beginning and an end?
Who is the One who raised him from lifeless state of the grave?
Who is the One who granted him Divine Nature having overcome Deaths dominion?

Find that One and you will SEE!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You and Zao always begin your replies with insults...I find it amusing.

Your heresy is no joking matter.

The problem with this statement is you have no evidence for duality of natures. The Bible goes the extra mile to convince you that Christ was 100% your nature in every respect.

Hebrews 2:17 “Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.”

It's one thing to get the Lords nature wrong it another to not understand why!



Future tense - Title which Jesus will be called when he is exalted to the right hand of the Father on high. Nowhere in this verse does it say God became man or that Christ had two natures.

This is really poor from you Spiritual


You conclude with a verse that teaches Jesus was born, lived a mortal life, fully died, and then was raised to live forevermore.

Who is the One who gave Jesus a beginning and an end?
Who is the One who raised him from lifeless state of the grave?
Who is the One who granted him Divine Nature having overcome the Deaths dominion?

Find that One and you will SEE!

Who are you trying to kid with your nonsense? Do you think you can fool me? You can't. Those scriptures all clearly teach that Jesus is God and you still deny it! How can I not say that you are foolish when you foolishly deny clear scripture? Even doubting Thomas understood that Jesus is God when he called Him "My Lord and my God!", but you can't understand it because you are completely lacking in spiritual discernment.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Your heresy is no joking matter.


Who are you trying to kid with your nonsense? Do you think you can fool me? You can't. Those scriptures all clearly teach that Jesus is God and you still deny it! How can I not say that you are foolish when you foolishly deny clear scripture? Even doubting Thomas understood that Jesus is God when he called Him "My Lord and my God!", but you can't understand it because you are completely lacking in spiritual discernment.

No, Hebrews 2:17 teaches you that Jesus was 100% like you and was tempted in all points like you and found without sin.

Hebrews 4:15 “For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.”

What I'm learning from you is your inability to understand the words "every respect"...do you need me to explain to you what they mean?

Why was it essential Jesus have only your nature?

There are lots of reasons but for the moment you have none to answer!

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, Hebrews 2:17 teaches you that Jesus was 100% like you and was tempted in all points like you and found without sin.

Hebrews 4:15 “For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but one who in every respect has been tempted as we are, yet without sin.”

What I'm learning from you is your inability to understand the words "every respect"...do you need me to explain to you what they mean?

Why was it essential Jesus have only your nature?

There are lots of reasons but for the moment you have none to answer!

Why do you ignore the many verses which say that Jesus is God? I don't deny what you're saying here about the humanity of Jesus, but that is only talking about His humanity. He is God and man at the same time. You foolishly deny His deity despite it being taught in many passages of scripture. Go back and read my post #301 so that you can read them. Do you have any idea what it makes you look like when you try to deny what all of those passages clearly teach? You just believe whatever you want to believe.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Why do you ignore the many verses which say that Jesus is God?

So you have no response to these truths? You rely on your creeds, fully aware that there is no evidence for the duality of natures or the pre-existence of Jesus.

I don't deny what you're saying here about the humanity of Jesus, but that is only talking about His humanity. He is God and man at the same time.

Now you are beginning to see your issue.

You foolishly deny His deity despite it being taught in many passages of scripture. Go back and read my post #301 so that you can read them. Do you have any idea what it makes you look like when you try to deny what all of those passages clearly teach? You just believe whatever you want to believe.

You couldn't answer my questions because you don't have the knowledge of God to answer them. This is really sad because the Apostles go to such great lengths to inform you of Jesus' nature and the problems with it.

This is one of the most disappointing replies I’ve read in a long time, because you insist on claims that cannot be proven while ignoring what can be easily verified.

2 Corinthians 13:4 “For he was crucified in weakness, yet he lives by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, yet by God’s power we will live with him.”

What was the Lord’s weakness?
In what way are we weak like him?
If, as you claim, he is God, why does he not live by his own power?
Why is Jesus’ reward the same as ours?
If our weakness is the same as his, is the power by which he now lives the same power we hope to receive and live by?

More questions which I know you cannot answer because you have no knowledge of the true Gospel of God or its Power.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So you have no response to these truths? You rely on your creeds, fully aware that there is no evidence for the duality of natures or the pre-existence of Jesus.

Did you not read my post #301? Why do you deny clear scripture? You have no answer for that.

Now you are beginning to see your issue.

I have no issue. You have the issue of denying clear scriptures. Many of them. Your denial of the deity of Jesus Christ is heretical. And you think nothing of it. I feel sorry for you. You are blind.

You couldn't answer my questions because you don't have the knowledge of God to answer them.

LOL. Says the guy who won't address the many scriptures which prove that Jesus is God. I do not take you seriously. Remember that. Nothing you say to me can phase me. You believe in false doctrine and deny the deity of Christ. That disqualifies you from thinking you have anything to teach me.

This is really sad because the Apostles go to such great lengths to inform you of Jesus' nature and the problems with it.

They go to great lengths to show that Jesus is both God and man. Something you foolishly deny. You say I don't answer your questions, but your questions are based on the false assumption that Jesus is only a man and is not God. So, your questions are not valid.

This is one of the most disappointing replies I’ve read in a long time, because you insist on claims that cannot be proven while ignoring what can be easily verified.

2 Corinthians 13:4 “For he was crucified in weakness, yet he lives by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, yet by God’s power we will live with him.”

What was the Lord’s weakness?
In what way are we weak like him?
If, as you claim, he is God, why does he not live by his own power?
Why is Jesus’ reward the same as ours?
If our weakness is the same as his, is the power by which he now lives the same power we hope to receive and live by?

More questions which I know you cannot answer because you have no knowledge of the true Gospel of God or its Power.

As man, he lives by the power of God, who exists as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. As God, He has no weakness. Your inability to understand that He is both God and man makes it impossible for you to understand who He is. Your attempts to only focus on His humanity while ignoring all the verses that focus on His deity shows that you are not willing to be honest about who Jesus is.

 

[Hiddenthings]

As man, he lives by the power of God, who exists as Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

You see how you have left the record now? You cannot identify with Christ nor him you.

As God, He has no weakness.

So you even speak against the text itself - you have no knowledge.

Your inability to understand that He is both God and man makes it impossible for you to understand who He is. Your attempts to only focus on His humanity while ignoring all the verses that focus on His deity shows that you are not willing to be honest about who Jesus is.

You are so lacking in understanding that we have nothing solid to base our discussion on, I quote a verse, and you disagree with its meaning.

It's observable blindness.

 

[grafted branch]

Look at how easily Adam and Eve were deceived. But, you think it's possible they could have gone forever without sinning? I am not making God responsible for their sin. He obviously made them with the capability of choosing to sin or else they wouldn't have chose to sin. But, seeing how easily they were deceived, it's silly to think they could have never sinned.

Adam was not deceived.

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

After Eve ate the forbidden fruit in Genesis 3:6 she gave to her husband. There is a semicolon after Eve gives the fruit to Adam, before he eats the fruit. The semicolon suggests that Adam contemplated the situation before deciding to eat the fruit. Adam would’ve considered not eating the fruit, remaining with God without his wife Eve, and not dying or eating the fruit, remaining with his wife, and dying.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Adam was not deceived.

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

After Eve ate the forbidden fruit in Genesis 3:6 she gave to her husband. There is a semicolon after Eve gives the fruit to Adam, before he eats the fruit. The semicolon suggests that Adam contemplated the situation before deciding to eat the fruit. Adam would’ve considered not eating the fruit, remaining with God without his wife Eve, and not dying or eating the fruit, remaining with his wife, and dying.

If you return to the Genesis account, Paul teaches that Eve was deceived through the process of the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, whereas Adam was not deceived, he simply chose to eat, as you correctly noted.

Together, they then embraced the carnal (animal) mind symbolised by the serpent.