The 7 years and the great tribulation period

[ewq1938]

The Jews are currently looking for another person as their King of Israel, messiah.

For most of the first half of the 7 years, they will think the Antichrist person is their messiah. Until he commits the transgression of desolation act of 2Thessalonians2:4.

And did they accept his mark of the beast during that first half?

Then, they will realize that Jesus is the true messiah and turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation.

That isn't found in the bible though.

 

[Douggg]

And did they accept his mark of the beast during that first half?


That isn't found in the bible though.

No.

The Jews will turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation in Revelation 12:10 in the middle of the 7 years.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

 

[ewq1938]

No.

Wrong. People who look to the AC as the real Messiah will definitely take the mark.

The Jews will turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation in Revelation 12:10 in the middle of the 7 years.

That verse says no such thing.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

 

[Douggg]

Wrong. People who look to the AC as the real Messiah will definitely take the mark.

The mark is not called the mark of the Antichrist, but the mark of the beast.

The person does not become the beast until after his time as the Antichrist. The Jews will for a while think that the Antichrist is their messiah. But when the person commits the transgression of desolation act of 2Thessalonians2:4, the Jews will realize their mistake.... and turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation.

Go to this thread to learn the difference between being the Antichrist and being the beast...

The 5 stages

The person who becomes the Antichrist will go through 5 stages on the way to his destruction. The numbers 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 on the chart shows the transition points through those 5 stages. 1. as the little horn person, leader over a group of ten EU leaders. 2. as the prince that shall come into...

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[Spiritual Israelite]

No, I am not encouraging Jews nor anyone elese to just wait. Today is the day of salvation.

Yes, you are. If a Jew is told that Jesus is coming soon and that all Jews are prophesied to repent and put their faith in Christ when He comes, he or she could easily not be concerned about doing that today if he or she thought it was a guarantee they would do it soon when Christ returns.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Jews will turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation at the middle of the seven years in Revelation 12:10.

As is always the case, some would turn to Jesus during that time and some would not. It's ridiculous to think that it would be any different during a future time. Do you not think that God wants all people, including all Jews, to be saved at all times? Why would He suddenly save all of them one day after a majority of them have not been saved the past 2,000 years or so? Do you think He would care more about the Jews living during that future time than He has cared about any of them the past 2,000 years?

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Notice that says NOW is come salvation. How can you not know that salvation came almost 2,000 years ago already for all people, including the Jews? Paul certainly understood that the NOW when salvation had come was his time, not some future time.

Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. 17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

 

[Douggg]

Yes, you are. If a Jew is told that Jesus is coming soon and that all Jews are prophesied to repent and put their faith in Christ when He comes, he or she could easily not be concerned about doing that today if he or she thought it was a guarantee they would do it soon when Christ returns.

Name a single Jew or any other person I said to them to delay putting their faith in Jesus.

 

[ewq1938]

The mark is not called the mark of the Antichrist, but the mark of the beast.

Since we are making dumb corrections that are meaningless you are wrong also. It's actually, "λίμνην τοῦ πυρὸς ".

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Name a single Jew or any other person I said to them to delay putting their faith in Jesus.

I never said you told anyone that specifically. I'm saying that your false doctrine can encourage that type of thinking. Are you reading what I'm saying or not?

 

[Earburner]

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Read and study ONLY the KJV of Daniel 9:24-27, and you will understand that the 70th week of 7 years is about the 7 years of Jesus ministry of confirming the [new] covenant.
3.5 years in flesh to the12 disciples, and then after He was crucified in the midst of the week, he continued His ministry by His Spirit for an additional 3.5 years to the early church.

 

[Truth7t7]

The last 1335 days of the 7 years will the great tribulation period. The Gog/Magog event will take place right before the 7 years begin. The 7 years are in Ezekiel 39:9.

Gog/Magog, then the 7 years. In the 7 years, the last 1335 days of it will be the great tribulation period. The 7 trumpet judgments and 7 vial judgements will all take place during the great tribulation period.

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal "Future" Weeks Explained

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the future armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building. Luke 21:24, Rev 11:2

The 70th literal week will see (The Beast/The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

 

[Marilyn C]

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal "Future" Weeks Explained

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.



Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Hi Truth,

Actually it is the Holy Spirit who wrote God`s word. And the 70 years of exile for Israel was because they did not keep God`s Sabbath`s. God stopped at 70 Sabbaths.

`As long as she (the land) lay desolate she kept Sabbath, to fulfill seventy years,. (2 Chron. 36: 21)

Then God counted all the days in the 70 years (of Sabbaths) in which Israel played the harlot, and that came to 70 x 7 years. And that is the purpose of the chastisement.

 

[Truth7t7]

Hi Truth,

Actually it is the Holy Spirit who wrote God`s word. And the 70 years of exile for Israel was because they did not keep God`s Sabbath`s. God stopped at 70 Sabbaths.

`As long as she (the land) lay desolate she kept Sabbath, to fulfill seventy years,. (2 Chron. 36: 21)

Then God counted all the days in the 70 years (of Sabbaths) in which Israel played the harlot, and that came to 70 x 7 years. And that is the purpose of the chastisement.

Daniel clearly wrote (Seventy Weeks) not (Four Hundred Ninety Years) it appears your adding your words to the scripture IMHO

 

[Marilyn C]

Daniel clearly wrote (Seventy Weeks) not (Four Hundred Ninety Years) it appears your adding your words to the scripture IMHO

The Hebrew is `shibah` meaning seven, the sacred full one, also adv. seven times by impli. a week,

 

[covenantee]

Daniel 9:24-27, Seventy Literal "Future" Weeks Explained

Daniel's 70 weeks are literal 7 day periods, or 490 literal days.

If Daniel meant 490 years he would have written

(Four Hundred Ninety Years)

Daniel had no restrictions in "Writing" exact numerology as seen below.

Daniel 6:1KJV
It pleased Darius to set over the kingdom an hundred and twenty princes, which should be over the whole kingdom;

Daniel 8:14KJV
And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.

Daniel 12:11KJV
And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Below in Daniel 10:2-3 we see just another example of Daniel's literal weeks, as Daniel mourned and fasted for 3 literal weeks or 21 days.

Daniel 10:2-3KJV
2 In those days I Daniel was mourning three full weeks.
3 I ate no pleasant bread, neither came flesh nor wine in my mouth, neither did I anoint myself at all, till three whole weeks were fulfilled.

Below in Daniel 9:24-27 we see 70 literal "Future" weeks or 490 days.

When the "Future" call/commandment goes out in Jerusalem to build unto the Jewish Meshiach/Messiah that they wait for (They Denied Jesus Christ) this will start the 7 week period in preparing to build.

62 literal weeks will be in building, and Meshiach/Messiah will be cut off by the future armies surrounding Jerusalem, this stops the building. Luke 21:24, Rev 11:2

The 70th literal week will see (The Beast/The Antichrist) revealed in making a covenant, and in the middle of this literal week he proclaims to be Meshiach/Messiah God to the Jews, and Jesus returned to the apostate church, to start a Millennium on earth.

The 3.5 year tribulation starts at this time.

Daniel 9:24-27KJV
24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.
25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.
26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Debunked.

Messiah the Prince is not "The Beast/The Antichrist".

 

[shepherdsword]

round and round we go, when we stop nobody knows cuz we love to whip dead horses

 

[Earburner]

No.

The Jews will turn to Jesus and the gospel of salvation in Revelation 12:10 in the middle of the 7 years.

There is no such thing as a 7 year "The Great Tribulation".

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

Did you know that most of Revelation has already been fulfilled. The book of Revelation was written around 96 AD., which was 1,929 years ago.
Because that book literally contains the spoken words of God the Father (KJV Rev.1:1-3), you should know that God speaks in the past, the present and the future, ALL AT THE SAME TIME.

Also, the 22 chs. in the book of Rev. were not all spoken/given in one vision, but rather in many visions. So also, John did not write all that info down in one sitting. Therefore, all 22 chs. should never be read in a chronological fashion. None of the chapters are necessarily connected together in linear time.

Remember, John wrote by hand with pen and ink, on parchment paper by daylight, and then under an oil lamp at night, while dwelling in scant conditions of comfort in a prison setting on the Isle of Patmos.

You may be able to read all 22 chs. in one sitting, but as for John writing out all the 22 chs. by hand, I'm sure that it took a number of months, maybe even a few years.

So then, your quote of Rev. 12:10 can easily be seen/understood as having taken place when Jesus openly defeated and confined satan through the cross of His Sacrifice, thus gaining full Victory over death.

As for KJV Dan. 9:24-27, you speak about a period of 7 years (the 70th week) to be somewhere off in a distant future.

Do you not know that the 70th week was Jesus' week?? It's about Him confirming the [New] covenant to his disciples upto the midst of the week of his crucifixion (3.5 years of Him in the flesh), and then after His resurrection and Ascension, he continued for the remaining 3.5 years in His Holy Spirit, confirming the [New] covenant with the early churches.

 

[Douggg]

There is no such thing as a 7 year "The Great Tribulation".

I agree. It will be the last 1335 days of the 7 years that is the great tribulation.

Do you not know that the 70th week was Jesus' week?? It's about Him confirming the [New] covenant to his disciples upto the midst of the week of his crucifixion (3.5 years of Him in the flesh), and then after His resurrection and Ascension, he continued for the remaining 3.5 years in His Holy Spirit, confirming the [New] covenant with the early churches.

The 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 is still unfulfilled. It will be the same 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 that will follow the Gog/Magog attack on Israel.

 

[covenantee]

I agree. It will be the last 1335 days of the 7 years that is the great tribulation.

The 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27 is still unfulfilled. It will be the same 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9 that will follow the Gog/Magog attack on Israel.

Your 70th week is still unfulfilled.

Messiah's isn't.

 

[Douggg]

Your 70th week is still unfulfilled.

Messiah's isn't.

Ezekiel 39 is still unfulfilled. As is the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27. All of the time of the end time frames given in the bible fit within that 7 years.