Could Ezekiel 37, 38 and 39 all be post millennial?

[Zao is life]

Every time you post you are either agreeing with me or disagreeing with the Word.

John 1
4 In him was life [zoe]; and the life was the light of men.

14 And the Word became [G1096 ginomai] flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

G1096 ginomai
- to cause to be ("gen"-erate), i.e. (reflexively) to become (come into being),
- be, become, be brought to pass.

Hebrews 2
16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

John 5
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life [zoe] in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life [zoe] in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.

Revelation 1
18 I am he that liveth [zao], and was dead; and, behold, I am alive [zao] to the ages of the ages, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

There is no human being to whom it has ever been given to possess eternal life in Himself except Jesus, the Son of God, and no human being except Jesus, the Son of God, can or will ever possess eternal life in Himself.

So you believe Jesus was given this LIFE in himself.

Interesting!

John 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.” (ESV)

The Spirit of God who gives life is the Spirit of Jesus.

You do not believe that God became a man, and that Jesus is God and man, so you are unable - incapable - of understanding the gospel, and you are disagreeing with the Word every time you post about this.

Peter says that you are a well without water, a cloud that's carried with a tempest; to whom the mist of darkness is reserved for ever because you speak great swelling words of vanity; and Timothy says that you are ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. (2 Peter 2:17-18 & 2 Timothy 3:7).

 

[Zao is life]

Adam was not deceived.

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

After Eve ate the forbidden fruit in Genesis 3:6 she gave to her husband. There is a semicolon after Eve gives the fruit to Adam, before he eats the fruit. The semicolon suggests that Adam contemplated the situation before deciding to eat the fruit. Adam would’ve considered not eating the fruit, remaining with God without his wife Eve, and not dying or eating the fruit, remaining with his wife, and dying.

It's not all Eve's fault. Adam was given the commandment from God before Genesis tells us that God created Eve from Adam.

Eve learned the commandment from her husband. Adam had heard the commandment from God directly - he knew e-x-a-c-t-l-y what God had said, and chose to ignore it.

God had told Adam he would definitely die the day he ate of the fruit of that tree. I do not believe that Adam actually believed God - because if he believed God, he would have believed that death would be the most definite consequence, and I doubt he would not have done it "anyway".

Adam could have mediated for Eve - the two had become one flesh - but he chose the lie.

So Adam and Eve's actions in effect called God a liar - just like Satan had done.

The question is why? What was Adam's motive for rebelling against the Word of God?

Remember that Satan had told Eve about (lied about) a great 'benefit' to them if they rebelled against the Word of God, and he called God a liar, saying they would NOT die.

I don't believe it was for Eve's benefit that Adam rebelled against the Word of God too. Adam heard the commandment of God, receiving it from God Himself. His sin was even greater than Eve's, IMO.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Hebrews 2
16 For verily he took NOT on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

How can you quote a verse and miss the meaning and intent of the verse entirely?

It means Jesus was born into the fallen line of Abraham and that he did not have Divine Nature like the Angels but was 100% man.

That whole section is saying Christ had flesh and blood exactly like you.

14 Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he (Jesus) himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, 15 and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery. 16 For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. 17 Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in EVERY RESPECT, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

There is a lot going on in those verses and you have shown once again you understand none of it.

 

[Zao is life]

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I quoted your cloud without rain, your well without water, above. Below I will quote the words of God:

Hebrews 2:14a
"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same."

(It's telling us that God became a man - He had flesh and blood just like we do. He was fully God, and became fully man). If it were not the case, it would not have mattered that He who took on flesh (took on Himself the seed of Abraham through His human mother, coming down from heaven and appearing to us in the likeness of SINFUL flesh (but was without sin), and died for our sins:

Hebrews 2:14b-15
"(so that) through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."

If He had a human father - if He was the seed one of the sons of Abraham - He would have been born sinful (as all fallen humans are), and He would not be God. But now God has come and has appeared in the flesh, taking upon Himself the seed of Abraham through His human mother - the DNA of which had already been created by Him in the day He Himself created man after creating the heavens and the earth - and becoming flesh and blood, just like us.

There's no point in talking to you because your stubborn heart and mind has chosen your own lies masquerading as truth,
and I already said I was done with replying to you, so now I am done with replying to your empty wells without water and clouds without rain.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You see how you have left the record now? You cannot identify with Christ nor him you.

So you even speak against the text itself - you have no knowledge.

You are so lacking in understanding that we have nothing solid to base our discussion on, I quote a verse, and you disagree with its meaning.

It's observable blindness.

Says the guy who denies the many explicit passages which show that Jesus is God. LOL. You are not to be taken seriously. Just remember that.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Adam was not deceived.

1 Timothy 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

After Eve ate the forbidden fruit in Genesis 3:6 she gave to her husband. There is a semicolon after Eve gives the fruit to Adam, before he eats the fruit. The semicolon suggests that Adam contemplated the situation before deciding to eat the fruit. Adam would’ve considered not eating the fruit, remaining with God without his wife Eve, and not dying or eating the fruit, remaining with his wife, and dying.

Yeah, that's true. It was Eve who was deceived to eat the fruit and then Adam chose to eat it as well. But, my point is that it didn't take much for them to sin, so I believe it's silly for anyone to think that Adam could have gone forever without sinning. We have someone here claiming that Adam (and I assume Eve as well) had an immortal body before sinning. But, someone with an immortal body cannot die since the word immortal means that you can't die.

 

[Hiddenthings]

I quoted your cloud without rain, your well without water, above. Below I will quote the words of God:

Hebrews 2:14a
"Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same."

(It's telling us that God became a man - He had flesh and blood just like we do. He was fully God, and became fully man).

It's telling you Jesus was born into the sinful line of man and shares your nature!

There is no mention of God becoming
There is no mention of duality
There is no mention of Jesus sharing any other nature other than yours!

The problem is you don't know why!

If it were not the case, it would not have mattered that He who took on flesh (took on Himself the seed of Abraham through His human mother, coming down from heaven and appearing to us in the likeness of SINFUL flesh (but was without sin), and died for our sins:

Close!

Jesus was raised up out of sins flesh for the sole purpose of God's righteousness being declared in a Son of Man who would crucify its lusts and passions. God who is Holy cannot dwell in Sins Flesh!

Again, your position is flawed.

Hebrews 2:14b-15
"(so that) through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil; And deliver them who through fear of death were all their lifetime subject to bondage."

If He had a human father -

He didn't

if He was the seed one of the sons of Abraham

His mother was in the line of Adam which is why Paul calls Jesus the second Adam (last Adam)

- He would have been born sinful (as all fallen humans are), and He would not be God.

If Jesus had had a human father, he would have been more inclined toward sin. But because His Father was God, He strengthened him and gave him a quick understanding in the things of the Spirit while still sharing your nature. If you understood the nature of the Victory we would not be having this discussion.

But now God has come and has appeared in the flesh, taking upon Himself the seed of Abraham through His human mother - the DNA of which had already been created by Him in the day He Himself created man after creating the heavens and the earth - and becoming flesh and blood, just like us.

You know this is wrong and that you cannot prove any of it - not a single verse in the Bible supports this position.

There's no point in talking to you because your stubborn heart and mind has chosen your own lies masquerading as truth,
and I already said I was done with replying to you, so now I am done with replying to your empty wells without water and clouds without rain.

Let me ask you a question.

In Hebrews 2, the passage explains why Jesus had human nature. In that context, who is the “false accuser” (the devil), and in what way was he destroyed through Jesus’ death?

Think carefully about the surrounding verses. What actually had the “power of death” in Jesus’ human nature? Look at other parts of Scripture to identify what carries the power of death in humanity. How did that power come to be there, and how was it removed through Christ’s death?

 

[Hiddenthings]

@Zao is life

Let me ask you a question.

In Hebrews 2, the passage explains why Jesus had human nature. In that context, who is the “false accuser” (the devil), and in what way was it destroyed through Jesus’ death?

Think carefully about the surrounding verses. What actually had the “power of death” in Jesus’ human nature? Look at other parts of Scripture to identify what carries the power of death in humanity. How did that power come to be there, and how was it removed through Christ’s death?

 

[Zao is life]

@Zao is life

Let me ask you a question.

In Hebrews 2, the passage explains why Jesus had human nature. In that context, who is the “false accuser” (the devil), and in what way was it destroyed through Jesus’ death?

Think carefully about the surrounding verses. What actually had the “power of death” in Jesus’ human nature? Look at other parts of Scripture to identify what carries the power of death in humanity. How did that power come to be there, and how was it removed through Christ’s death?

You ask about things that you yourself have not thought carefully about, nor can you, because they are over your head - because in your unbelief you cannot understand what you are talking about.

1. It is sin that causes death.

2. Christ had no sin.

3. He would not have died had He not laid down His life Himself:

John 10
17 Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
18 No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

Only this Man: Jesus the Messiah - had that power to lay down His life Himself and take it up again Himself by His own power and authority - or ever will.

John 10
15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

Jesus laid down His life for the sheep, and HIS sheep do not twist the gospel as you do.

Nor, in your unbelief and lack of spiritual understanding, do you comprehend what He meant by the words, "As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father." - though you believe you do, and will probably claim you do, twisting it's meaning in order to assert the things you assert.

He - God the Word by whom the Father created all things and who existed before all things, who always existed with the Father and is the Word of the Father and in whom the life of the Father exists and has always existed, came down from the Father, appearing in the flesh, becoming a human being, and He did not come in the likeness of sin but in the likeness of sinful flesh - though He Himself was without sin.

Because of your unbelief I doubt you understand what the words "the likeness of sinful flesh" mean.

Then He took the sins of others upon Himself and died in our place, rising again from the dead on the third day. This is what overcame the death that came to all mankind through Adam - the last Adam's death and resurrection, after the human being, Jesus Christ the Son of God and Son of man, the last Adam, sacrificed His body and life-blood for us on the cross. His dead body was laid in a tomb, His soul went down to hades, and His Spirit He placed in the hands of God His Father - the Spirit by whom He preached to spirits that were imprisoned in hades, and the Spirit which quickened His dead body (made Him alive in the body again) and raised Him from the dead.

You do not understand the things you talk about, and this is why you twist the meaning of scripture upon scripture, upon scripture.

Therefore these things are (and will continue to be) way above your head because (as you repeatedly show) you do not have ears to hear the voice of the Son of God. You are not one of His sheep. Therefore you remain nothing but a well without water, a cloud carried with a tempest; speaking great swelling words of vanity - and you cannot stop yourself, not even when someone has already told you he is done talking to you about it - your lack of self-discipline will have you come back with even more twisting of scripture, as you did again in your post above.

 

[Trekson]

What if Chapter 37 is about the second resurrection and the Gog/Magog war in Revelation 20 is the same as 38 and 39?

Ez. 37 is at the beginning of the millennium, 38 is post mill and 39 returns to the beginning of the millennium.

 

[Trekson]

No, nothing I wrote bails out the Amil view.


What are you talking about ?

Jesus returns in Revelation 19, then there is the millennium.


Why does there have to be a passage in the NT about burning of weapons instead of wood for 7 years ?

The part of the weapons that will be burned is the wooden stocks and fore grips of the rifles that the soldiers of Gog's army will use. Not all of them, but enough to provide a 7 year supply for burning in stoves and heaters.

We're not going back to historic times in the millennium, It will be the modern weapons that will be burned in furnaces and possibly nuclear power for electricity. The prophecy was given in a way that the prophets would understand it but that doesn't mean it will be fulfilled the same way. This is part of the "knowledge will increase" from Daniel.