Talking to the DEAD

[Big Boy Johnson]

Someone expressed interest in another thread concerning talking to the dead, meaning they think it's OK to try and contact people that have been separated from this world by physical death which is what witches do and those involved in occult activities and some of them even claim to be "christians" or white witches (crackers practicing witchcraft )

There is not authorization in God's Word for anybody to be contacting people that have been separated from this world by physical death

Definition of NECROMANCY
conjuration of the spirits of the dead for purposes of magically revealing the future or influencing the course of events

Definition of SORCERY
the use of power gained from the assistance or control of evil spirits especially for divining

Definition of DIVINATION
1 - the art or practice that seeks to foresee or foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge usually by the

interpretation of omens or by the aid of supernatural powers
2 - unusual insight : intuitive perception (apart from information directly the Holy Spirit)

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance (debate), emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time
past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Leviticus 19:31 ESV
Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the
Lord your God.

Isaiah 8:19 ESV
And when they say to you, ?Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,? should not a people
inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?

Leviticus 20:6 ESV
If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, whoring after them, I will set my face against that person and will
cut him off from among his people.

Deuteronomy 18:10 ESV
There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices
divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer

Revelation 16:14 ESV
For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for
battle on the great day of God the Almighty.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 ESV
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of
them is forgotten.

Psalm 115:17 ESV
The dead do not praise the Lord, nor do any who go down into silence.

Deuteronomy 18:9-14 ESV
When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable
practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an
offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium
or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And
because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the
Lord your God, ...

Revelation 21:8 ESV
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and
all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death

1 John 4:1 ESV
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have
gone out into the world.

Hebrews 5:14 ESV
But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to
distinguish good from evil.

1 Timothy 4:1 ESV
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful
spirits and teachings of demons

Ephesians 4:30 ESV
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

2 Corinthians 11:14 ESV
And no wonder, for even satan disguises himself as an angel of light.


Warnings against mourning for the dead
(this is how familiar spirits get started in a person's life many times... when someone they loves dies and sorrow sets in
and is accepted as being OK)

Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 21:1
And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto the priests the sons of Aaron, and say unto them, There shall none be
defiled for the dead among his people:

Deuteronomy 14:1
Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the
dead.

Deuteronomy 26:14
I have not eaten thereof in my mourning, neither have I taken away ought thereof for any unclean use, nor given ought
thereof for the dead: but I have hearkened to the voice of the LORD my God, and have done according to all that thou
hast commanded me.

Jeremiah 16:7
Neither shall men tear themselves for them in mourning, to comfort them for the dead; neither shall men give them
the cup of consolation to drink for their father or for their mother.

Jeremiah 22:10
Weep ye not for the dead, neither bemoan him: but weep sore for him that goeth away: for he shall return no more,
nor see his native country.

Ezekiel 24:17
Forbear to cry, make no mourning for the dead

 

[Taken]

Talking to the DEAD

The Dead can not Communicate with the Living.

Departed Living Souls do not communicate with imparted Living Souls.

However EVIL Spirits CAN taken upon themselves… ( an image of a dead man, sound of a dead man )…
And cunningly fool living men they are in communication with a dead man.

Calling on; ie. ( praying )
TO the Dead,
TO Departed Souls,
Is never Taught For living men TO Do.

* There IS Caution regarding the Great Power of Fallen Angels, who are continually seeking
…
The poor in Spirit (unsaved, unsure) as Targets for such Angels to convince such man to be Willing to act Against The Lord God, Word.

Communication via Prayer is Only Taught by Gods Word (for living men) to Pray ONLY TO Jesus, or TO God in Jesus Name….
Never TO Pray TO the dead, departed souls, or Angel Spirits.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

However EVIL Spirits CAN taken upon themselves… ( an image of a dead man, sound of a dead man )…
And cunningly fool living men they are in communication with a dead man.

Yep and sadly this is what many are falling for thinking it's their dead relatives they are talking to when in reality they are communicating with demons

God tells us in His Word to "give no place to the devil" (Ephesians 4:27), but the old devil is always seeking ways to get in to people's lives and this is a way he can do so as we see being practiced among the false religions.

Sadly these people are being devoured by demons.

1 Peter 5:8
Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

1 Timothy 4:1
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

 

[ScottA]

Someone expressed interest in another thread concerning talking to the dead, meaning they think it's OK to try and contact people that have been separated from this world by physical death which is what witches do and those involved in occult activities and some of them even claim to be "christians" or white witches (crackers practicing witchcraft )

There is not authorization in God's Word for anybody to be contacting people that have been separated from this world by physical death

Definition of NECROMANCY
conjuration of the spirits of the dead for purposes of magically revealing the future or influencing the course of events

Definition of SORCERY
the use of power gained from the assistance or control of evil spirits especially for divining

Definition of DIVINATION
1 - the art or practice that seeks to foresee or foretell future events or discover hidden knowledge usually by the

interpretation of omens or by the aid of supernatural powers
2 - unusual insight : intuitive perception (apart from information directly the Holy Spirit)

Galatians 5:19-21
Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance (debate), emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time
past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Leviticus 19:31 ESV
Do not turn to mediums or necromancers; do not seek them out, and so make yourselves unclean by them: I am the
Lord your God.

Isaiah 8:19 ESV
And when they say to you, ?Inquire of the mediums and the necromancers who chirp and mutter,? should not a people
inquire of their God? Should they inquire of the dead on behalf of the living?

Leviticus 20:6 ESV
If a person turns to mediums and necromancers, whoring after them, I will set my face against that person and will
cut him off from among his people.

Deuteronomy 18:10 ESV
There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an offering, anyone who practices
divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer

Revelation 16:14 ESV
For they are demonic spirits, performing signs, who go abroad to the kings of the whole world, to assemble them for
battle on the great day of God the Almighty.

Ecclesiastes 9:5 ESV
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of
them is forgotten.

Psalm 115:17 ESV
The dead do not praise the Lord, nor do any who go down into silence.

Deuteronomy 18:9-14 ESV
When you come into the land that the Lord your God is giving you, you shall not learn to follow the abominable
practices of those nations. There shall not be found among you anyone who burns his son or his daughter as an
offering, anyone who practices divination or tells fortunes or interprets omens, or a sorcerer or a charmer or a medium
or a necromancer or one who inquires of the dead, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord. And
because of these abominations the Lord your God is driving them out before you. You shall be blameless before the
Lord your God, ...

Revelation 21:8 ESV
But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and
all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death

1 John 4:1 ESV
Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have
gone out into the world.

Hebrews 5:14 ESV
But solid food is for the mature, for those who have their powers of discernment trained by constant practice to
distinguish good from evil.

1 Timothy 4:1 ESV
Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful
spirits and teachings of demons

Ephesians 4:30 ESV
And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption.

2 Corinthians 11:14 ESV
And no wonder, for even satan disguises himself as an angel of light.


Warnings against mourning for the dead
(this is how familiar spirits get started in a person's life many times... when someone they loves dies and sorrow sets in
and is accepted as being OK)

Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the LORD.

Leviticus 21:1
And the LORD said unto Moses, Speak unto the priests the sons of Aaron, and say unto them, There shall none be
defiled for the dead among his people:

Deuteronomy 14:1
Ye are the children of the LORD your God: ye shall not cut yourselves, nor make any baldness between your eyes for the
dead.

Deuteronomy 26:14
I have not eaten thereof in my mourning, neither have I taken away ought thereof for any unclean use, nor given ought
thereof for the dead: but I have hearkened to the voice of the LORD my God, and have done according to all that thou
hast commanded me.

Jeremiah 16:7
Neither shall men tear themselves for them in mourning, to comfort them for the dead; neither shall men give them
the cup of consolation to drink for their father or for their mother.

Jeremiah 22:10
Weep ye not for the dead, neither bemoan him: but weep sore for him that goeth away: for he shall return no more,
nor see his native country.

Ezekiel 24:17
Forbear to cry, make no mourning for the dead

All good!

There is one distinction to understand however: That those words were spoken to the dead, that of one dead there is nothing to offer another.

However, just as Christ visited the dead in the depths of the earth, and there are both the dead in Christ and the living in Christ, the living of Christ in whom Christ is--such a person may pray for whomever needs prayer, for neither Christ nor the Father are limited by the times of this world, whether past, present or future--in whom "all things are possible."

Which is no license for the religious in whom Christ remains but a practice.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

However, just as Christ visited the dead in the depths of the earth, and there are both the dead in Christ and the living in Christ, the living of Christ in whom Christ is--such a person may pray for whomever needs prayer, for neither Christ nor the Father are limited by the times of this world, whether past, present or future--in whom "all things are possible."

In the New Testament all that die in Christ are with the Father in Heaven and it's only their physical body that is still dead in the ground. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord - 2 Corinthians 5:8

There's no excuse for trying to contact those that have passed from this world physically.

Like catholics who don't even have a relationship with the Father thru Jesus Christ are busy trying to contact dead people who they think are in Heaven asking them to prey for them. Especially that praying to Jesus' momma business which is idolatry

Real Christians pray to the Father in Jesus' Name and aren't busy running around trying to find someone to pray for them all the time. God wants each person to walk with Him and not try to have a relationship with them thru someone else.

Non- catholics do the same thing as they run to their pastor or church elder to try and get them to pray to the Lord for them because they don't know the Lord either.

That may work for a very short time when one just gets born again and is a baby Christian but the Lord is going to quit responding to those that refuse to walk with Him and have a direct relationship with Him

 

[ScottA]

In the New Testament all that die in Christ are with the Father in Heaven and it's only their physical body that is still dead in the ground. To be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord - 2 Corinthians 5:8

There's no excuse for trying to contact those that have passed from this world physically.

Like catholics who don't even have a relationship with the Father thru Jesus Christ are busy trying to contact dead people who they think are in Heaven asking them to prey for them. Especially that praying to Jesus' momma business which is idolatry

Real Christians pray to the Father in Jesus' Name and aren't busy running around trying to find someone to pray for them all the time. God wants each person to walk with Him and not try to have a relationship with them thru someone else.

Non- catholics do the same thing as they run to their pastor or church elder to try and get them to pray to the Lord for them because they don't know the Lord either.

That may work for a very short time when one just gets born again and is a baby Christian but the Lord is going to quit responding to those that refuse to walk with Him and have a direct relationship with Him

To "contact those that have passed"--no. I get that, and concur.

But that is not what I was referring to. But rather that the limits of time that we consider of effect regarding "prayer", are not a limit to God in the least...as He "is the same yesterday, today, and forever." Meaning, if we are of a mind to pray for the unborn, or even those who have lived and died already--we should pray away--for it is all the same to Him.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Meaning, if we are of a mind to pray for the unborn, or even those who have lived and died already--we should pray away--for it is all the same to Him.

No problem praying for the unborn.

Praying for those that have already died is meaningless because their fate has already been sealed.

There is not such thing as purgatory so if someone dies a sinner then their fate is eternity in hell because they rejected the Lord.

 

[ScottA]

No problem praying for the unborn.

Praying for those that have already died is meaningless because their fate has already been sealed.

There is not such thing as purgatory so if someone dies a sinner then their fate is eternity in hell because they rejected the Lord.

So...salvation being in God's hands--you don't believe He "is the same yesterday, today, and forever?"

Alrighty then--noted.

 

[Jay Ross]

Does this thread include talking to dead beats?

Cause there are plenty of them on this forum.

Just a thought.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

So...salvation being in God's hands--you don't believe He "is the same yesterday, today, and forever?"

Alrighty then--noted.

There is not such thing as purgatory

Doctrines of demons ends badly there so you might want to REPENT of that at your earliest convenience.

Yes the Lord is always the same and what we sow is what we reap so those who reject the Lord in this life reap eternal separation from him and once a person dies their fate has been sealed.

Sadly for you and the rest of the purgatory people, there are no scriptures in God's Word that teach purgatory.

One must go out side of God's Word to get such teaching, meaning one must embrace doctrines of demons to believe in pergatory

Cause there are plenty of them on this forum.

You would know, being the head of the dead beat coalition and all

 

[ScottA]

There is not such thing as purgatory

Doctrines of demons ends badly there so you might want to REPENT of of that at your earliest convenience.

That is not at all what I was referring to.

No--indeed--there is no purgatory.

What I was referring to is that whether one died a thousand years ago, or today, or years from now--it means nothing to God who is the same either way (yesterday, today, and forever). Meaning our prayers for whomever regardless of when they lived, or live, is no obstacle for God, but is the same as if we prayed for them while they were alive--to God. The mechanics of which would be like parallel universes...but that is just an example.

But that is all a deep dive into what is common with God, though uncommon knowledge with men. Such are the things of "all truth" as promised.

 

[Jay Ross]

You would know, being the head of the dead beat coalition and all

I posed a question about talking to dead beats without pointing any accusing finger at any one in particular and your sense of pride burst out to try and take the label of being a dead beat towards another person only to reveal/confirm your true character.

I have no need to respond to your finger pointing comment. There is no need for me to do so when you have done it so eloquently in the above quote.

Oh well such is life.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I have no need to respond to your finger pointing comment.

And yet, here you are replying

You dead beats crack me up man!
Funny stuff, keep it coming - we could use a little humor up in here