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2 John 1:8, do not lose what you have worked for, if deception is the weapon, then compromise is the trap, because most people don’t fall away from the faith all at once, it happens slowly, one small compromise at a time. Watch yourselves, pay attention, be alert, because no one is immune to falling away, no one is so strong in their faith that they can ignore the danger of spiritual drift. Matthew 24:13, 1 Corinthians 9:27, disqualified, if Paul, one of the greatest apostles, a man who encountered Jesus, planted churches and wrote most of the New Testament was concerned about being disqualified, how much more should we be on guard. But people don’t realize they are falling away until it’s too late, no one wakes up one day and decides I’m going to walk away from God today, instead it starts with small compromises.

You’re passionate about reading the Bible, but then life gets busy, you start skipping days here and there, a small compromise. Then you stop praying as often, because you’re tired, another compromise. Then you start watching or listening to things that you know aren’t good for your soul, but you tell yourself, it’s not that bad, another compromise. Then you start justifying sin, you start saying things, God understands, he knows my heart, another compromise and before you know it, the fire you once had is gone, the passion you once had for Jesus is replaced with apathy and the worst part, you don’t even remember when it happened. Watch yourselves, because the enemy doesn’t need to destroy you all at once, the enemy just needs to distract you long enough to make you drift.

That job that isn’t bad, but that makes it impossible for you to serve as God calls you. That relationship that isn’t sinful, but that keeps you spiritually lukewarm. That comfort that isn’t bad in itself, but that prevents you from taking risks for the Kingdom. If Jesus literally asked you to renounce everything and follow him without guarantees of comfort or success, would you do it, not in theory, not as the correct answer in a Bible study. In the concrete reality of your life, if Jesus told you to leave your career, to sell your house, to move to another country, to give up your retirement plans, to abandon everything you’ve built, would you do it, because that’s exactly what he asked the first disciples to do and they did it.

Peter left his fishing business, Matthew left his lucrative position as a tax collector, the others abandoned families, financial security, future plans and Jesus never promised them they would get those things back. Jesus never told people, follow me and later I’ll give you back double what you lost, he said the opposite. Matthew 10:34-39, Jesus explains exactly what it means to follow him, those are Jesus’ words, not from a modern theologian, not from an extremist interpretation, they’re the direct words of the one, the church says it worships and they’re completely opposite to the message preached every Sunday. The modern message says, Jesus will make your family happier, faith brings peace to your life, but Jesus says, I came to bring division, not peace, this message has been so diluted, it’s commercially unviable, you can’t build a religious empire on a message of total loss.

You can’t sell books promising that following Jesus might cost you everything or fill stadiums saying that real Christianity is a narrow path that few find and even fewer are willing to walk, so a more digestible version is invented, a version where Jesus improves your life, instead of ending it. Where the cross is an abstract symbol, instead of a daily reality, where sacrifice is optional, instead of essential. The diluted gospel, it doesn’t transform anyone, it produces religious consumers, not disciples. The diluted gospel produces people who go to church, but not people who live like Jesus, it produces Christians who sing about surrender, but don’t remotely know what it means to truly surrender. Psalm 23:2, he leads me beside still waters, still waters address our fears, but why still waters, because sheep, unlike many animals are terrified of rushing streams, their wool, a blessing when dry becomes a curse when soaked, if sheep fall into fast moving water, the weight drags them under and they drown.

So while rushing water may look refreshing to a sheep, it represents danger, that means something profound, not every opportunity is a blessing, not every open door is safe, not every path that sparkles leads to life. The shepherd knows what the sheep cannot see, that what looks exciting may be destructive, so he leads them to still waters, the waters that bring peace, not panic, it exposes a spiritual truth most believers never learn, God does not lead you by pressure, he leads you by peace. Your shepherd does not push you into turbulence, he guides you into clarity, if your soul feels like it’s drowning in noise, comparison opinions, anxiety, confusion, endless choices, God didn’t lead you there, the good shepherd never drives his sheep into chaos, he does not motivate with fear, he does not manipulate with urgency, he does not confuse with mixed signal, he leads calmly, consistently, confidently towards stillness.

The still waters David speaks of, are more than hydration, they are a test, can you follow God into peace, even when your flesh prefers motion, because some believers become addicted to activity, if life isn’t rushing, they assume something is wrong. But God’s leadership contradicts human instinct, he does not call you to survive rapids, he leads you beside waters that restore, not waters that overwhelm. So if your heart feels restless, if your mind refuses to quiet, if your emotions feel like a river in flood, stop, God may be saying, the noise is not from me, listen for stillness, my voice is in the peace, not the panic. Still waters don’t just refresh you, they reveal whether you trust the shepherd enough to slow down, can God lead you or can you follow him, when he leads you away from everything that makes noise.
 
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most people don’t fall away from the faith all at once,

Falling away from faith, regarding a Christian, does not mean you have lost your salvation.
it simply means, in most cases, that your understanding of Salvation is incorrect, which is why you would believe you can lose it.
 
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Falling away from faith, regarding a Christian, does not mean you have lost your salvation.
it simply means, in most cases, that your understanding of Salvation is incorrect, which is why you would believe you can lose it.
What does Paul have to say as he guides people into the arenas of freedom, Ephesians 5:1-20, as you read that paragraph, it’s like reading a bunch of top ten great one-liners about wisdom and discerning the Lord’s will and be filled with the Spirit, but what is your guiding light as you go out into your life as a Christian. You know what the parameters are, but most of your life is just open before you, what are you supposed do and how do you know how to make decisions in the areas of great freedom that we have as Christians. Paul says wisdom, discerning God’s will and being filled with the Spirit as your guiding lights as you go into your freedom as a Christian and you know that you’re tapping into and using those, when your life results in being connected with music, giving thanks and submitting to other people. These three things, wisdom, discerning God’s will and being filled with the Spirit, as you consider this arena of freedom in your life, to be super intentional, to be super careful, your decisions about how you live really matters.
 

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The Diluted Gospel

Yes, it's known as catholicism, reformed theology, calvinism, so called organized religions.

The vast majority of churches and preachers now are teaching false doctrine to varying degrees but false just the same.

2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
 

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Falling away from faith, regarding a Christian, does not mean you have lost your salvation.
it simply means, in most cases, that your understanding of Salvation is incorrect, which is why you would believe you can lose it.

In other words your claim is one can walk in heresy and still be saved.

The devil has you hood winked! oh-my.gif
 

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For me one sign or perhaps an insight into the gospel being diluted is in how it has gradually become the same as the world. The world has not conformed to the gospel but the gospel has conformed to the world.

Simple as that.

For most of history western cultures have adhered to biblical norms. Coincidently as western nations rejected God through the secular revolutions of the mid 20th century these biblical norms have been rationalised away in the name of a more humanist ideology.
 

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For me one sign or perhaps an insight into the gospel being diluted is in how it has gradually become the same as the world. The world has not conformed to the gospel but the gospel has conformed to the world.

Simple as that.

For most of history western cultures have adhered to biblical norms. Coincidently as western nations rejected God through the secular revolutions of the mid 20th century these biblical norms have been rationalised away in the name of a more humanist ideology.
Welcome fellow Aussie believer.
What verses do you believe teach how a believer today is saved ?
Are there verses that you believe dilute the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 Gospel ?
 

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Welcome fellow Aussie believer.
What verses do you believe teach how a believer today is saved ?
Are there verses that you believe dilute the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 Gospel ?
I think those verses are plain and simple and tell the truth. Paul emphasised this time and time again and warned againt alternative gospels.

The important point is that on believing the gospel a person is born again of the spirit and no longer a slave to sin and the flesh.

In that sense we are united in mind and spirit and there is no division or dispute over the truth.

But when this is questioned and alternative ideas are proposed then division is created.

In some ways division itself is a sign that the truth of the gospel is being challenged in a way that undermines it.

Clement of Rome mentions that. That division itself is the beginning of sin entering the church and that Christ is no longer among the people.
 
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I think those verses are plain and simple and tell the truth. Paul emphasised this time and time again and warned againt alternative gospels.

The important point is that on believing the gospel a person is born again of the spirit and no longer a slave to sin and the flesh.

In that sense we are united in mind and spirit and there is no division or dispute over the truth.

But when this is questioned and alternative ideas are proposed then division is created.

In some ways division itself is a sign that the truth of the gospel is being challenged in a way that undermines it.

Clement of Rome mentions that. That division itself is the beginning of sin entering the church and that Christ is no longer among the people.
""and no longer a slave to sin and the flesh.""
Yet in some way we ALL still willfully sin in some way.
There's a simple test that confirms it for those prideful enough to claim they no longer do !!
 

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Falling away from faith, regarding a Christian, does not mean you have lost your salvation.
it simply means, in most cases, that your understanding of Salvation is incorrect, which is why you would believe you can lose it.
The bible goes on and it makes this claim that all of this was resolved, when God bound himself to humanity through Jesus and he showed us what it looks like to truly rule as a human. Jesus ruled by serving and by seeking the best for others, by putting himself underneath them and loving not just his friends, but also his enemies. And not only that, Jesus confronted the consequences of all of the evil and the death that we have created by our messed up ways of ruling and he lets it kill him. Jesus’ resurrection, they see a whole new future opening up for all humanity. Jesus is a new way to be human, the new human, they also believe that Jesus divine life and power is now available to heal and to transform us to become our life and power. People being filled by Jesus’ own presence and spirit, this is the new humanity that God what’s to create in us, so that we become people of whom God’s image is being restored.
 

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Yes, it's known as catholicism, reformed theology, calvinism, so called organized religions.

The vast majority of churches and preachers now are teaching false doctrine to varying degrees but false just the same.

2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
If you lived in ancient Bible times, odds are you lived under the authority of a king, and many of these kings claimed that they were gods and they would even call themselves the image of God. Meaning they had authority to tell people what to do, order things to be made. They got to define good and evil, these kings would often make statues of themselves “idols” or “images,” but for Israel, they didn’t view their kings as the God. In fact, they were never supposed to even make images of God, that was really unique of that time and culture. This is rooted in Israel’s belief, that you can’t reduce the creator God down to any one thing in creation, but there’s another reason, people aren’t to make images of God, because God has already made images of himself. When did he do that?
 

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Can I ask who puts out these AI generated videos? Even the voice is AI generated....who can vouch for its authenticity? Are these people one church and if so, how does one find them? How do those in extremely poor nations find “the chosen ones” if they have no access to these videos?

I agree with much of what is said but I am prompted to ask who is the source of this information? And how do these ones fulfill what Paul said would identify the Christian brotherhood? (1 Cor 1:10)
There is one body, “one Lord, one faith one baptism”....so who are they?

God has always had a people on earth who represented him...at first it was the Patriarchs, then it was Israel, and with the coming of the Messiah, there was “the church”......but look at what “the church” became in the following centuries. Were we prepared for that level of deception? YES!

Jesus told us that the devil would plant “weeds” among his wheat, and if we dive into that illustration a little more deeply, we find out why these weeds were to almost choke out the wheat entirely.....they were to grow together until Christ’s return. Christendom today is a massive world empire of bickering and divided churches all claiming to be authentic....all claiming Jesus as their Lord.

The plant in question was a noxious weed, common in the Middle East, that so closely resembled wheat in its early growing stages, that the farmer couldn’t tell if his crop was infested with this weed, called “bearded darnel”.
It was comically called “wheat’s evil twin” because by the time the farmer detected it among his crop, it was too late to eradicate it, since it was now entangled in the wheat’s root system. He could not uproot it without taking the wheat with it. So the farmer had to let it grow along with the wheat so that at the harvest time, the two plants, then fully distinguishable, would be harvested together and separated out....the weeds to be burned...and the wheat to be gathered into the farmers storehouse.

A farmer’s enemy could over sow his crop with this weed under cover of darkness, to diminish his harvest.

This gives us an idea of how it all happened and how the “weeds” got to be mistaken for “wheat” in the early church.....these are what grew more prominently, as weeds grow more prolifically in poor soil than wheat does. The poor soil being the absence of God’s spirit, except on the “few” who refused to be persuaded by the Catholic doctrines that prevailed....these ones chose a different path, one more reliant on Scripture than on man made doctrines. These were known by their name or identification as they were one body of believers who all held to the same beliefs. There were quite a few down through history who set a fine example for us today....not afraid to be different to the mainstream. Though God’s people have never been “mainstream”.....Satan’s people have always held that position. (1 John 5:19)

Then there is repeated mention of “the rapture”...a word that does not occur in Scripture but thought to be referring to the words of 1 Thess 4:17...

“Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.” (NASB)

Verse 15 explains that they are faithful ones “who are left until the coming of the Lord,” that is, they are still living at the time of Christ’s return.
Will they ever die? According to Rom 6:3-5 and 1 Cor 15:35, 35, 44, they must die before they can gain heavenly life. But there is no need for them to remain in the death state awaiting Christ’s return as other “saints” have had to do. They will instantly be “caught up,” “in the twinkling of an eye,” to be with the Lord. (1 Cor 15:51-52)

What is the purpose of their gathering and being taken to heaven?
What is their role there?
And what of those not gathered? What happens to them?

What happens to the earth that God so lovingly prepared for human habitation? Was all his work for nothing?
Are you affiliated with any particular church?...or do you believe that the “wheat” are found in all denominations today?
 
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Can I ask who puts out these AI generated videos? Even the voice is AI generated....who can vouch for its authenticity? Are these people one church and if so, how does one find them? How do those in extremely poor nations find “the chosen ones” if they have no access to these videos?

I agree with much of what is said but I am prompted to ask who is the source of this information? And how do these ones fulfill what Paul said would identify the Christian brotherhood? (1 Cor 1:10)
There is one body, “one Lord, one faith one baptism”....so who are they?

God has always had a people on earth who represented him...at first it was the Patriarchs, then it was Israel, and with the coming of the Messiah, there was “the church”......but look at what “the church” became in the following centuries. Were we prepared for that level of deception? YES!

Jesus told us that the devil would plant “weeds” among his wheat, and if we dive into that illustration a little more deeply, we find out why these weeds were to almost choke out the wheat entirely.....they were to grow together until Christ’s return. Christendom today is a massive world empire of bickering and divided churches all claiming to be authentic....all claiming Jesus as their Lord.

The plant in question was a noxious weed, common in the Middle East, that so closely resembled wheat in its early growing stages, that the farmer couldn’t tell if his crop was infested with this weed, called “bearded darnel”.
It was comically called “wheat’s evil twin” because by the time the farmer detected it among his crop, it was too late to eradicate it, since it was now entangled in the wheat’s root system. He could not uproot it without taking the wheat with it. So the farmer had to let it grow along with the wheat so that at the harvest time, the two plants, then fully distinguishable, would be harvested together and separated out....the weeds to be burned...and the wheat to be gathered into the farmers storehouse.

A farmer’s enemy could over sow his crop with this weed under cover of darkness, to diminish his harvest.

This gives us an idea of how it all happened and how the “weeds” got to be mistaken for “wheat” in the early church.....these are what grew more prominently, as weeds grow more prolifically in poor soil than wheat does. The poor soil being the absence of God’s spirit, except on the “few” who refused to be persuaded by the Catholic doctrines that prevailed....these ones chose a different path, one more reliant on Scripture than on man made doctrines. These were known by their name or identification as they were one body of believers who all held to the same beliefs. There were quite a few down through history who set a fine example for us today....not afraid to be different to the mainstream. Though God’s people have never been “mainstream”.....Satan’s people have always held that position. (1 John 5:19)

Then there is repeated mention of “the rapture”...a word that does not occur in Scripture but thought to be referring to the words of 1 Thess 4:17...

“Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.” (NASB)

Verse 15 explains that they are faithful ones “who are left until the coming of the Lord,” that is, they are still living at the time of Christ’s return.
Will they ever die? According to Rom 6:3-5 and 1 Cor 15:35, 35, 44, they must die before they can gain heavenly life. But there is no need for them to remain in the death state awaiting Christ’s return as other “saints” have had to do. They will instantly be “caught up,” “in the twinkling of an eye,” to be with the Lord. (1 Cor 15:51-52) https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/bc/r1/lp-e/1101989259/6/0

What is the purpose of their gathering and being taken to heaven?
What is their role there?
And what of those not gathered? What happens to them?

What happens to the earth that God so lovingly prepared for human habitation? Was all his work for nothing?
Are you affiliated with any particular church?...or do you believe that the “wheat” are found in all denominations today?
Church, they kicked me out. Paul’s reference in Galatians chapter three and four, why then the law, it was add because of transgressions. It’s not like Adam and Eve, because they do one thing, the transgressions we’re talking about here, are the crimes of the watchers. The law was added to circumscribe or put halters on, put boundaries around human self-destruction, that was proliferated as a result of what happened here before the flood. The law is added to help humans slow down in their self-destruction. The origin of the expansion of sin, the proliferation of evil, the proliferation of wickedness throughout the world, the watchers transmitted forbidden knowledge to humans and humans took that knowledge and perverted it and turned it against themselves.
 

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Kicked out for asking to many questions.

You're not called to ask them questions... you are called to DECLARE what God says in His Word.

Besides, Romans 8:28 is usually used as an excuse to lay down and let the devil walk all over us.

The all things the Lord is talking of are all the things He has provided thru Jesus Christ... it mentions nothing about all the evil things the devil bring in to people's lives

Romans 8:22-29
For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.
And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
 

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Church, they kicked me out. Paul’s reference in Galatians chapter three and four, why then the law, it was add because of transgressions.
We are entitled to answers to our questions…..faith is knowledge based…it’s not blind acceptance of what the church wants to tell you, and what it hides from you….knowledge is power….the power to make the right choices as regards our worship and relationship with the God whom Jesus came to teach us about.
It’s not like Adam and Eve, because they do one thing, the transgressions we’re talking about here, are the crimes of the watchers. The law was added to circumscribe or put halters on, put boundaries around human self-destruction, that was proliferated as a result of what happened here before the flood.
Yes, the pre-flood era was a runaway freight train of wickedness because of demonic intervention….God addressed the problem by creating a situation that illustrates the period before Christ’s return. (Matt 24:37-39) We are to see similar world conditions and that level of immorality and violence…we see it everywhere even in children’s entertainment. The moral degradation is being accepted as the “norm”….and the more destructive weapons get the better they like it. The more graphic the violence in entertainment the more it draws them…because the shock value diminishes as they become inured to it.
The law is added to help humans slow down in their self-destruction. The origin of the expansion of sin, the proliferation of evil, the proliferation of wickedness throughout the world, the watchers transmitted forbidden knowledge to humans and humans took that knowledge and perverted it and turned it against themselves.
God also prevented the rebel angels from materializing as they did in the pre-flood era. These produced a monster race of hybrid humans who terrorized the people and created a life based on fear and compliance because who was going to stand up to them? Only God could rid the earth of such demonic pollution.

He has restraints on them now….they cannot interfere with humans now unless they are invited by spiritistic practices, that God forbids.

What questions were you not allowed to ask?
 
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