parable of the fig tree generation

[Marty fox]

I don't believe he came back in 70 AD either way.

Jesus did come in judgement in 70AD just like the Lord came in judgement on a cloud to Egypt in the verse below


Isaiah 19:1
A prophecy against Egypt: See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud and is coming to Egypt. The idols of Egypt tremble before him, and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear.

Coming in judgement is different than the second coming

 

[grafted branch]

Yes I have heard preterists claim Jesus came back in 70 ad , but once again I take heed of of the masters words and don't believe them.
Quote - “So if anyone tells you, ‘There he is, out in the wilderness,’ do not go out; or, ‘Here he is, in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it.

Would you believe someone who said He is on the mount of olives?

 

[ewq1938]

I don't believe he came back in 70 AD either way.

Agree. There was no need for him to come anyways as the Romans did everything on their own. At best it was just a type, where a future prophecy happens in part just to teach ppl what is coming but only partial or shadow.

 

[ewq1938]

Jesus did come in judgement in 70AD just like the Lord came in judgement on a cloud to Egypt in the verse below


Isaiah 19:1
A prophecy against Egypt: See, the LORD rides on a swift cloud and is coming to Egypt. The idols of Egypt tremble before him, and the hearts of the Egyptians melt with fear.

Coming in judgement is different than the second coming

The 1.5 coming? A coming is a coming and there is onluy one second coming so he could not have come in ad70 plus there was nothing to do since the Romans did everything. Jesus would not even need to stand up from his throne and the bible does say he sits at the right hand until his enemies are made his footstool and that did not happen in ad70.

 

[Marty fox]

The 1.5 coming? A coming is a coming and there is onluy one second coming so he could not have come in ad70 plus there was nothing to do since the Romans did everything. Jesus would not even need to stand up from his throne and the bible does say he sits at the right hand until his enemies are made his footstool and that did not happen in ad70.

The point is that it wasn't a literal coming, God used Rome in her own evil way to do His purpose

Luke 19
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

God has come against Israel by using nations many times in the bible like Babylon for example and also used gentile nations to come against other gentile nations for His purpose.

Revelation 17
16 The beast and the ten horns you saw will hate the prostitute. They will bring her to ruin and leave her naked; they will eat her flesh and burn her with fire. 17 For God has put it into their hearts to accomplish his purpose by agreeing to hand over to the beast their royal authority, until God’s words are fulfilled.

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[brian25]

Correction I meant to say "But the bible tells us where He is, so you don't believe that?"

Why wouldn't I believe the Bible , the Bible is the word of God , it's only our interpretation of it that differs.

 

[brian25]

Would you believe someone who said He is on the mount of olives?

No I wouldn't , and I wouldn't believe anyone who sits in the temple of God claiming that he is God either.

 

[Marty fox]

Why wouldn't I believe the Bible , the Bible is the word of God , it's only our interpretation of it that differs.

Because you said that you wouldn’t believe anyone besides Jesus who said were Jesus is now and biblical writers said were He is now.

My point is that if the bible said that he’s somewhere then He is thus He can come in judgement

 

[grafted branch]

No I wouldn't , and I wouldn't believe anyone who sits in the temple of God claiming that he is God either.

I agree with you, I wouldn’t believe anyone who said Jesus is on the mount of olives either. Can you give me your view on Zechariah 14:4, when do you see it taking place?

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

[Douggg]

I agree with you, I wouldn’t believe anyone who said Jesus is on the mount of olives either. Can you give me your view on Zechariah 14:4, when do you see it taking place?

Zechariah 14:4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.

 

[ewq1938]

The point is that it wasn't a literal coming, God used Rome in her own evil way to do His purpose

Which means there was no coming at all. Rome did what it would have done to rebels, no need for God to have intervened.

Luke 19
41 As he approached Jerusalem and saw the city, he wept over it 42 and said, “If you, even you, had only known on this day what would bring you peace—but now it is hidden from your eyes. 43 The days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment against you and encircle you and hem you in on every side. 44 They will dash you to the ground, you and the children within your walls. They will not leave one stone on another, because you did not recognize the time of God’s coming to you.”

A better translation:


Luk 19:41 And when he was come near, he beheld the city, and wept over it,
Luk 19:42 Saying, If thou hadst known, even thou, at least in this thy day, the things which belong unto thy peace! but now they are hid from thine eyes.
Luk 19:43 For the days shall come upon thee, that thine enemies shall cast a trench about thee, and compass thee round, and keep thee in on every side,
Luk 19:44 And shall lay thee even with the ground, and thy children within thee; and they shall not leave in thee one stone upon another; because thou knewest not the time of thy visitation.

"And shall lay thee even with the ground" that has not yet happened.

 

[Aman]

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This is truth, and matches with something I was shown.

There is a mention of times, times and half a time which has always been known to mean 3.5 years and it may be just that.

Adam -> Flood = 1656 years = 1 time
Flood + 2nd time = 3312 years
2nd time + 3rd time = 4968 years
3rd time + 1/2 time = 5796 years

Today's year according to the Hebrews: 5786

5796 - 5786 = 10 years left.

2026 + 10 = 2036

Quite uncanny isn't it?

 

[grafted branch]

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Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

If you have Christ literally standing on the mount of olives (Zechariah 14:4) at a future time, then the elect will not believe it, except for those who are actually near the mount of olives and see it firsthand. When those who do see it firsthand try to tell other believers that Christ is on the mount of olives, they will have Matthew 24:23 shoved in their face and won’t be believed.

Is this how you see these things playing out in the future?

 

[Douggg]

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

If you have Christ literally standing on the mount of olives (Zechariah 14:4) at a future time, then the elect will not believe it, except for those who are actually near the mount of olives and see it firsthand. When those who do see it firsthand try to tell other believers that Christ is on the mount of olives, they will have Matthew 24:23 shoved in their face and won’t be believed.

Is this how you see these things playing out in the future?

I am not sure about what you mean, but there will be no mistake that it will be Jesus standing on the mount of Olives when it takes place. The armies of the world will have taken half of Jerusalem as hostages right before Jesus descends down to earth.

Zechariiah 14:2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

In Zechariah 14:5, those hostages will escape through the valley created when Jesus stands on the mount of Olives. Noted on my graphic below.

 

[Douggg]

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

If you have Christ literally standing on the mount of olives (Zechariah 14:4) at a future time, then the elect will not believe it,

Keep in mind that for 45 days before Jesus descends to earth to stand on the mount of Olives, the entire world will see the sign of the Son of man in heaven (Matthew 24:30a). So it will not be by rumor.

 

[grafted branch]

I am not sure about what you mean, but there will be no mistake that it will be Jesus standing on the mount of Olives when it takes place. The armies of the world will have taken half of Jerusalem as hostages right before Jesus descends down to earth.

You are assuming that it will be an unmistakable event. If that’s the case then why would the Matthew 24:23 warning be made in the first place?

 

[Douggg]

You are assuming that it will be an unmistakable event. If that’s the case then why would the Matthew 24:23 warning be made in the first place?

Matthew 24:23 is Jesus's warning to disregard rumors of His returning secretively. Instead, Jesus's return will be unmistakable - verse 27.

Matthew 24:
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.

24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

25 Behold, I have told you before.

26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.

27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

 

[grafted branch]

Matthew 24:23 is Jesus's warning to disregard rumors of His returning secretively. Instead, Jesus's return will be unmistakable - verse 27.

Lightning is literally a local event and not a global event, under perfect conditions theoretically a person could observe lightning from a maximum distance of approximately 273 miles (440 kilometers) away. Here’s the formula …



D = (2RH + H2 – 2Rh – h2)1/2

D is the maximum distance that lightning can be observed
R is the distance from the surface of the earth to the center of the earth, estimated at 4,000 miles
H is the height of the clouds, based on Wikipedia’s top most cloud layer that lightning comes from, which is 49,000 feet
h is the height of a person, 6 feet.



So, lightning that happens on the mount of olives isn’t going to be physically seen in the USA. We would have to have someone tell us about it and would then have to consider Matthew 24:23 and not believe them that the lightning was Christ standing on the mount of olives.

 

[Douggg]

So, lightning that happens on the mount of olives isn’t going to be physically seen in the USA. We would have to have someone tell us about it and would then have to consider Matthew 24:23 and not believe them that the lightning was Christ standing on the mount of olives.

Jesus was making an analogy that His coming will be as apparent as lightning flashing across the sky. Not some secretive event.

 

[grafted branch]

Jesus was making an analogy that His coming will be as apparent as lightning flashing across the sky. Not some secretive event.

Right, His coming wasn’t secretive to those in Jerusalem in 70AD. It was like lightning or fire that came down from heaven and devoured them.