Spiritual Israelite
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According to Peter in 2 Peter 3:13, the NHNE will be a place where righteousness dwells. But, in your view, it will also be a place where wickedness dwells for 1,000+ years. Why would Peter mention that the NHNE is where righteousness will dwell if wickedness will also dwell there?You are not thinking outside of the box then.
All I'm basically saying is this. The parable involves Jesus going away and receiving a kingdom for Himself, then returning later.
The chonology of events is not this---Jesus is born on the planet, then some years later Jesus leaves, then some years later Jesus returns.
The chonology of events is this---Jesus is born on the planet, Then some years later Jesus dies on the earth and rises from the dead on the earth, then some 40 days later Jesus leaves, then some years later Jesus returns. And that we can't get to what He does in the parable without Him doing this first--Jesus dies on the earth and rises from the dead on the earth
But if He had remained dead, which He didn't, there would be no parable in Luke 19 for Him to fulfill. He would still be in the tomb to this day. Therefore, He had to be born first, overcome all things first, die first then overcome death by rising from the dead first, before He can leave and go away to receive a kingdom for Himself and literally bring this kingdom with Him when He returns, the kingdom then being in a state that it can be seen with the naked eye and physically experienced, rather than unseen like now where it is experienced by faith not sight.
We have to keep in mind, thus far Jesus has not brought this kingdom to the earth where it can be seen and physically experienced rather than experienced only by faith. But His kingdom that He brings with Him is meaning the NJ, which then requires that the NHNE begin during His return. How can anyone argue that the NJ in Revelation 21-22 is not the kingdom? If it's not the kingdom, then what is it, the fact Jesus will be dwelling there forever?
Therefore, in my view, the NHNE must begin with the millennium, or if not that, Amil is the correct view instead. Since it is absurd that the NJ is not the kingdom. But the NHNE are a process that begins with the millennium and is not in it's completed final form until after the GWTJ, after satan's little season, after the millennium, after the 2nd coming. You are likely going to argue that that contradicts that the NHNE doesn't come down until after the GWTJ. And that I argue it contradicts that the NJ is the kingdom if the kingdom Jesus brings with Him is not the NJ. So why do you then believe Isaiah 65 involves the millennium? It is clearly involving the NJ and NHNE.
And what about Revelation 21:1-4 where John indicates that the NHNE is ushered in when the first heaven and first earth pass away. You have the first heaven and first earth still existing when the NHNE is ushered in. You somehow have the first heaven and first earth existing at the same time as the NHNE for 1,000+ years, which contradicts Revelation 21:1. The NHNE will replace the first heaven and first earth. They will not exist at the same time. The NHNE is a place where there will be no more death, crying, sorrow or pain (Revelation 21:4), but you have death, crying, sorrow and pain existing in the NHNE for 1,000+ years.