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The Assurance Of Salvation​

Isn't it what we all want?

I noticed that when the Israelites were bitten by the serpents plentiful in the desert they wandered through, they were bidden to look at the brass serpent Moses had erected on a pole. Those that looked lived. Those that went into 'theological' debates as to its efficacy but didn't look, died. It was pretty clear cut.

I wonder if we can learn something from their experience?
 

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The Assurance Of Salvation​

Isn't it what we all want?

I noticed that when the Israelites were bitten by the serpents plentiful in the desert they wandered through, they were bidden to look at the brass serpent Moses had erected on a pole. Those that looked lived. Those that went into 'theological' debates as to its efficacy but didn't look, died. It was pretty clear cut.

I wonder if we can learn something from their experience?

And the Lord said unto Moses, Make thee a fiery serpent, and set it upon a pole: and it shall come to pass, that every one that is bitten, when he looketh upon it, shall live.

Good point! This verse testifies to us today the power that God demonstrated to the Israelites during Moses’ time. In the NT, the best passages that we can connect to this brass serpent story are in Matt 11:28-29; 19:21, and John 5:40, where Jesus is calling to all of us to COME to Him and FOLLOW Him until the end so that we may attain our salvation and eternal life by and through His shepherding job, across all ages.

Thus saith the Lord Jesus Christ:

“Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life. You will have nowhere to go but to calamity and suffering. But if you draw near to Me, you will attain nothing but peace – peace if you accept it, if you trust in Me, if you believe in Me with all your heart and all your love. Love Me with all your heart, and worship none other but Me, the one and only Lord.”
 

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What exactly then is that which saves a person?

That has ALREADY been answered you What, How, When, Who, Why…in detail, in example, in personal testimony.
And…
Your response has been to challenge, snarky accusations and gaslight….
And then ASK what has already been answered you!

What exactly then is that which saves a person?
What?
HeartFULL Belief of a human.
What?
Gods Offered Gift of Salvation.

Who?
Gives the Gift?
God…To His God Believing People, ISRAEL
God…Any HeartFULL believer Not IN Christ.
Jesus…A “confessed” HeartFULL Believer “IN” Christ.

When?
Humans Heartful Belief, while his Body is ALIVE.
Gift Given When?
AFTER an ACCOUNTED bodily Death.

What IS a body “accounted” dead mean?
God…? Physical, human mortal Death.
Jesus…? A body “spiritually Crucified” with Jesus’ body, Before Physical, Mortal Death.

“Accounted” where?
In Heaven.

“Accounted” IN What?
God…? Gods Book of Life, record of Every Name of Every Human that Lived.
Name… in the Book…that human Saved.
Name….blotted OUT…that human NOT saved.

Jesus…? Lambs Book of Life, record of Every Name of a human entered, (by the Lamb…)
WHO … called on the Lords Name (Jesus), and “Confessed” their True HeartFULL Belief in God AND that Jesus IS…the Christ.
Then their name recorded in the Lambs book of life and can never be blotted out.

Where… is Gods Book and the Lambs Book?
In Heaven.
What …are “those” Books?
“Evidence” of Human Salvation.
When /What …are “those” Books Used For?
- separating the Divided with/without God.
- any Redemption (claiming of saved souls),
By God, by Jesus.
- and for Judgement Day.

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Continued 1 @Rotsen 777

Who… saves the faithful Israelites?
Before Jesus was Revealed? God.
Before Christ was Revealed? God.
After Jesus was Revealed?
(a human who believes in God, believes JESUS existed, but didn’t believe Jesus was the Son of God…../ or the Christ—-> God Saves.)

After Jesus was Revealed? God OR Jesus saves.
(According to a mans FREEWILL Belief)…

After Jesus was Revealed?

Men who “confessed” (Heartfull truth)…
Jesus IS the Son of God.
Jesus IS the Christ.
A man willingly, freely Chooses to “Confess”. And “spiritually”, (crucified WITH) Jesus, Gives his Body unto Death.
Jesus forgives… saves the humans soul….Gives a human a new heart (circumcision of the heart) Sends Gods Seed to that new Heart.
That SEED… is CHRIST….(Gods Power)
The Word of God enters that heart (Jesus Gods Truth)
That SEED….is the Holy Spirit of Truth…
That SEED…births that human a New Spirit that can Never Die.
Receiving that SEED is called a Baptism.
* That human… has been MADE Restored…
Body accounted dead…payment to die once.
Fulfilled.
Soul saved…that forever Gods Breath (life) shall remain in that soul Forever.
Spirit quickened (born again of Gods Seed).
Access to Gods Word 24-7.

That “accounted” “crucified” dead body??
Physically, mortally continues to Live….
(Until whenever it dies physically).
However… while still bodily alive…that human IS Spiritually “LIVING”… “IN” Christ Jesus’ Holy Risen Body!
Called… Christ “IN” you.
Called…that human…”IN” Christ.

You REVEAL your ignorance of Step by step…who, what, when, why, how…
And ignorance of common word meanings…
And then WANT a person, you do not know, a person you gaslight, a person you call a liar…
To Give you knowledge AND understanding…

The Lord defines scriptures as ‘testimonies’ of Him, but you define them as knowledge; where did you get your notion of the scriptures from?

Knowledge…. IS information
Testimony…IS a claim ALL Information … one Gives / Speaks, Writes / Reveals “IS” TRUE.

You do Not know me.
I have repeatedly Claimed…on this forum “testified” by MY word.. MY Belief…
All Scripture IS True!

You want “Understanding” but haven’t figured out , the step by step process..
What others Do, doesn’t mean what THEY Do, applies to You.

Scripture… is a TOOL… for Finding Information.
Choosing to Believe it of Not.
Choosing which parts you will or will not DO.
And verifying what you are Told.

Any human… can choose which parts of Scripture to DO or Not.

You want to Follow Jesus’ WAY… do what He Did.
You want to Follow Judas ‘ WAY…do what he did.

Scripture IS a ONE complete Playbook.. of All True Knowledge … for any human to Freely Follow … Step by Step … what ANY character in Scripture… did, does…. And figure OUT / Reason, what “THEIR” OWN consequence …
Will be for their OWN Choices!

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Continued 2 @Rotsen 777

Follow Jesus?
Expect some humans to love you AND others to Hate you, treat you respectfully and truthfully or treat you with contempt and lies.
Same as was with Jesus on Earth.

Two lawbreakers hung next to Jesus…
One call to Jesus …Lord…with a request.
The Other said TO Jesus … IF you ARE… then a request.
One Believed and was Saved…
The Other Did not Believe and was Not Saved.

Scripture IS All True Knowledge.
What a person says, that “is his” Truth, Is a first hand Testimony.

Jesus Saves…
God Saves…
When, Why, Whom… is according to “time-line- events- circumstances-.”

The “time-lines- events -circumstances…
ARE REVEALED in the KNOWLEDGE IN Scripture…
Anyone, can read it, hear it, learn it, believe it, verify it, reject it.

The “UNDERSTANDING” of Scripture..
“CAN”…
be: proclaimed by Philosophers.
be: proclaimed by a humans Carnal Logical.
be: proclaimed by authors writing and selling books of “explanations” (understanding).
be: proclaimed by “churches” that Write / use / distribute / require members to have, read, trust “their” “Extra” Bible companion books of “explanations / understandings”.
…But, but, but…
Scripture Itself, clearly Teaches… the UNDERSTANDING of Gods Word, Gods Approved Scripture... only comes
From the Lord God…


And YOU ignorantly ask…
Gee How …
Does God talk to humans Like He Talked to MOSES!

Is the circumstance the same? No.
Are you or I (like Moses) standing on holy ground on a mountain top, in the clouds, in the PRESENCE of God? No.

An unsaved human SPEAKS TO God, “through” the Advocate …The Lord Jesus …
By Prayer.

A saved human SPEAKS (verbally or heart/thoughtfully) by Prayer, directly TO God.

Prayer… is communication …
For Praising The Lord God, For Thanking, For Praising, For ASKING.

Jesus’… Reply IS Spiritual….to a humans Spirt in their heart, not their Ears.
Gods…. Reply IS Spiritual….ditto.

The Reply is NOT an audible Voice, phone call, text.
The reply IS “Spiritual”… sent Spiritually to your Spirit.

A man has a natural spirit… which is his Natural truth in his Heart.
Some men have “a quickened / reborn “spirit in their heart”… Gods TRUTH…which dwells “IN” a man’s heart.
It IS “IN” the mans (born again spirit) IN his heart (where The Lord God communities) with humans…. And humans with Him.
A spiritual Transfer of Knowledge / information/ a request answered…
Or
The Reply can be…a man , physically SEEING his request answered.

Men can be scared, lost, ill, whatever and ASK, PRAY…. To be comforted, not scared, found, healthy…. And SEE the answer be Given…manifested that they SEE the answer.

This is BASIC knowledge… that you do not exhibit is something you know.

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Continued 3 @ Rotsen 777

I know how much time I personally have INVESTED in learning ABOUT the Lord God, His Order, His Ways, His Offerings, HIs Blessings, His knowledge, His Understanding of HIS words…

I don’t KNOW you… what you do, believe or why…

But do know you come with a snarky attitude… and little Spiritual understanding and wanting answers and understanding to very basic, elementary things in a carnal logical response…

It is very unpleasant to have an expectation of a Spiritual Conversation with a carnal minded individual.

You’re not the Savior to prescribe salvation in that manner, are you? What did Jesus teach about salvation?

Perfect example of your Gaslighting…
Did I say I was the Savior?
No.
Did I say “I” was prescribing the manner of salvation?
No.
So why… Gaslight me…? Pretend you are disagreeing with something I never said?

Your claim is a big lie if your phrase, ‘Heartfully Believe’ refers to the teachings that you’ve read and learned in the bible. The reward of salvation is not known to anyone, even to the apostles themselves; it’s a pure call and decision of Jesus alone.

Another example…
Accusing Me of lying …”IF”… (the meaning of Heartfully believe… is according to YOUR words)…

Why presume? Wonder “IF”? And fill-in the blanks with your words, and Ignorantly think …. I somehow am Limited to What applies to YOU?
Heartfully Believe is another Basic bit of Knowledge taught in Scripture.
A human has TWO Connected but Different “thought”, “belief” processors (so to speak)

* the Carnal MIND…in the Brain…that can believe truths, knowingly concoct lies, believe lies. Weigh between this point and that point and Logically decide to believe one thing or the other…
… the carnal mind using its Logic capability…can NOT UNDERSTAND Gods Word!
Oh… and FYI… the Knowledge in Scripture (that befuddles you)…
Teaches the Carnal Mine is naturally Against God.!

So by learning From the “Knowledge IN Scripture… you should have learned… the Knowledge God has given to ALL humans… and then Learned…
God is not interested in your Logical mindful beliefs and conclusions…
Seriously… use your Carnal Minded logic… to choose, where to live, what shoes to wear, what time to get up, when to do laundry, when to mow the yard, go shopping, what to wear, blah, blah, blah…

Use you Spirit in your Hearts thoughts, to communicate with the Lord God, praise him, believe Him, Thank Him, And Ask Him whatever…etc.

Another example:

You’re just expressing your opinion here because it absolutely takes Jesus to teach [us all] the spiritual meaning of anything essential to the destiny of our souls.

Of course I am expressing MY opinion, My Belief in Agreement with Jesus…

Should you like me to Stop Expressing my Opinion, My belief…?
So YOU can continue SpeaKing FOR me and then Disagree with What you have said For me? Unpleasant annoying gaslighting.

If you are convinced Scripture is not “knowledge” (which is Information awareness) and Only “testimonies “ ( which is first hand truths )…
So what?

(I believe Scripture IS knowledge … is first hand testimonies, is second hand human speech, is about truth tellers, liars, cheats, thieves, is for verifying, is True, is a Benefit for all humans to hear, read, learn, accept, trust, believe….and IS Approved by God..
And with the FREEWILL option to reject….)

My Opinion, My Belief…and be it to me, my consequence… favorable or not.

Irrelevant what is your opinion, your belief….it’s shall be unto you, your consequence.

This forum has a way to respond to an OTHERS words, without rewriting in your words what “they have said”.
You can listen to others and go BERIFY (look up in Scripture) if that is true… or Aka the other questions about what THEY say, not what you say For them!


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That has ALREADY been answered you What, How, When, Who, Why…in detail, in example, in personal testimony.
And…
Your response has been to challenge, snarky accusations and gaslight….
And then ASK what has already been answered you!


What?
HeartFULL Belief of a human.
What belief are you talking about, btw? Could you be saved by belief alone, no matter how heartfelt it may be?
What?
Gods Offered Gift of Salvation.
We need salvation, bear that in mind! God is calling all of us to come to Him - His prescription in this regard. No doubt God is the one who does the saving job, but we need to come to Him to avail ourselves of the salvation He will grant to those who will follow Him obediently until the end.
Who?
Gives the Gift?
God…To His God Believing People, ISRAEL
God…Any HeartFULL believer Not IN Christ.
Jesus…A “confessed” HeartFULL Believer “IN” Christ.
Jesus didn’t say salvation is a gift, did He? In fact, He obliges all to come to and follow Him until the end so that salvation becomes attainable [to us].
When?
Humans Heartful Belief, while his Body is ALIVE.
Gift Given When?
AFTER an ACCOUNTED bodily Death.
What you’re saying here is a lie! Jesus alone decides when He will grant salvation to those who come to Him - those that He still shepherds and guides to their salvation and eternal life.
What IS a body “accounted” dead mean?
God…? Physical, human mortal Death.
Jesus…? A body “spiritually Crucified” with Jesus’ body, Before Physical, Mortal Death.

“Accounted” where?
In Heaven.
You’re guessing things that are beyond your capacity to grasp their reality and existence; you’ve not heard anything yet from God about these things, have you? How did you come up with this idea?
“Accounted” IN What?
God…? Gods Book of Life, record of Every Name of Every Human that Lived.
Name… in the Book…that human Saved.
Name….blotted OUT…that human NOT saved.
The phrase ‘accounted in what’ is purely Jesus’ decision to make while He is shepherding His sheep, not yours for you to expound in your own capricious whim! No one is entitled to this job of evaluation but Jesus alone.
Jesus…? Lambs Book of Life, record of Every Name of a human entered, (by the Lamb…)
WHO … called on the Lords Name (Jesus), and “Confessed” their True HeartFULL Belief in God AND that Jesus IS…the Christ.
Then their name recorded in the Lambs book of life and can never be blotted out.
Litanies save us not, do they?
Where… is Gods Book and the Lambs Book?
In Heaven.
What …are “those” Books?
“Evidence” of Human Salvation.
When /What …are “those” Books Used For?
- separating the Divided with/without God.
- any Redemption (claiming of saved souls),
By God, by Jesus.
- and for Judgement Day.

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You’ve not gone up to heaven yet, yet you speak as if you were there with Jesus, knowing pretty well that you’re just reading and studying the Bible.
 

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The Lord Jesus Christ As The Main Character,
Main Character for what? Who are the other characters?
and also of God's Two-Fold
Purpose For The Heaven And the earth.
Where did you get the notion of ‘God's Two-Fold
Purpose For The Heaven And the earth’ from? What happened now to the bible as ‘The Big Picture,’ as you claimed?
 

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Assurance of Salvation?:

Yes, Most Certainly!:

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In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
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The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.
Could you please summarize in one sentence the things that you’re pointing out in your narratives above?
 

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Who… saves the faithful Israelites?
Before Jesus was Revealed? God.
Before Christ was Revealed? God.
After Jesus was Revealed?
(a human who believes in God, believes JESUS existed, but didn’t believe Jesus was the Son of God…../ or the Christ—-> God Saves.)
That God who saved them is Jesus Christ, the Almighty God who incarnated in the NT by the name Jesus.
After Jesus was Revealed? God OR Jesus saves.
(According to a mans FREEWILL Belief)…
Jesus saves because He is the Almighty God.
After Jesus was Revealed?

Men who “confessed” (Heartfull truth)…
Jesus IS the Son of God.
Jesus IS the Christ.
A man willingly, freely Chooses to “Confess”. And “spiritually”, (crucified WITH) Jesus, Gives his Body unto Death.
Jesus forgives… saves the humans soul….Gives a human a new heart (circumcision of the heart) Sends Gods Seed to that new Heart.
That SEED… is CHRIST….(Gods Power)
The Word of God enters that heart (Jesus Gods Truth)
That SEED….is the Holy Spirit of Truth…
That SEED…births that human a New Spirit that can Never Die.
Receiving that SEED is called a Baptism.
* That human… has been MADE Restored…
Body accounted dead…payment to die once.
Fulfilled.
Soul saved…that forever Gods Breath (life) shall remain in that soul Forever.
Spirit quickened (born again of Gods Seed).
Access to Gods Word 24-7.

That “accounted” “crucified” dead body??
Physically, mortally continues to Live….
(Until whenever it dies physically).
However… while still bodily alive…that human IS Spiritually “LIVING”… “IN” Christ Jesus’ Holy Risen Body!
Called… Christ “IN” you.
Called…that human…”IN” Christ.
Those litanies you mentioned, no matter how heartfelt you cited them in your prayers, still save you not, unless you come to Jesus and follow Him until the end.
You REVEAL your ignorance of Step by step…who, what, when, why, how…
And ignorance of common word meanings…
And then WANT a person, you do not know, a person you gaslight, a person you call a liar…
To Give you knowledge AND understanding…
Ignorance exists only outside Jesus’ tutelage and shepherding job to His sheep, across all ages. Where are thou this time?
Knowledge…. IS information
Testimony…IS a claim ALL Information … one Gives / Speaks, Writes / Reveals “IS” TRUE.

You do Not know me.
I have repeatedly Claimed…on this forum “testified” by MY word.. MY Belief…
All Scripture IS True!
You’re not Jesus, how do you say ‘All Scripture IS True!’ knowing you’ve heard nothing yet from Jesus?
You want “Understanding” but haven’t figured out , the step by step process..
What others Do, doesn’t mean what THEY Do, applies to You.

Scripture… is a TOOL… for Finding Information.
Choosing to Believe it of Not.
Choosing which parts you will or will not DO.
And verifying what you are Told.

Any human… can choose which parts of Scripture to DO or Not.

You want to Follow Jesus’ WAY… do what He Did.
How will you do what He did?
You want to Follow Judas ‘ WAY…do what he did.

Scripture IS a ONE complete Playbook.. of All True Knowledge … for any human to Freely Follow … Step by Step … what ANY character in Scripture… did, does…. And figure OUT / Reason, what “THEIR” OWN consequence …
Will be for their OWN Choices!
Jesus did not define the scriptures the way you do, did He?
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Follow Jesus?
Come first to Jesus; how could you follow Him without coming first to the Lord?
Expect some humans to love you AND others to Hate you, treat you respectfully and truthfully or treat you with contempt and lies.
Same as was with Jesus on Earth.

Two lawbreakers hung next to Jesus…
One call to Jesus …Lord…with a request.
The Other said TO Jesus … IF you ARE… then a request.
One Believed and was Saved…
The Other Did not Believe and was Not Saved.
Listen first to Jesus and do everything as He instructed you.
Scripture IS All True Knowledge.
What a person says, that “is his” Truth, Is a first hand Testimony.

Jesus Saves…
God Saves…
When, Why, Whom… is according to “time-line- events- circumstances-.”

The “time-lines- events -circumstances…
ARE REVEALED in the KNOWLEDGE IN Scripture…
Anyone, can read it, hear it, learn it, believe it, verify it, reject it.

The “UNDERSTANDING” of Scripture..
“CAN”…
be: proclaimed by Philosophers.
be: proclaimed by a humans Carnal Logical.
be: proclaimed by authors writing and selling books of “explanations” (understanding).
be: proclaimed by “churches” that Write / use / distribute / require members to have, read, trust “their” “Extra” Bible companion books of “explanations / understandings”.
…But, but, but…
Scripture Itself, clearly Teaches… the UNDERSTANDING of Gods Word, Gods Approved Scripture... only comes
From the Lord God…


And YOU ignorantly ask…
Gee How …
Does God talk to humans Like He Talked to MOSES!

Is the circumstance the same? No.
Are you or I (like Moses) standing on holy ground on a mountain top, in the clouds, in the PRESENCE of God? No.

An unsaved human SPEAKS TO God, “through” the Advocate …The Lord Jesus …
By Prayer.

A saved human SPEAKS (verbally or heart/thoughtfully) by Prayer, directly TO God.

Prayer… is communication …
For Praising The Lord God, For Thanking, For Praising, For ASKING.

Jesus’… Reply IS Spiritual….to a humans Spirt in their heart, not their Ears.
Gods…. Reply IS Spiritual….ditto.

The Reply is NOT an audible Voice, phone call, text.
The reply IS “Spiritual”… sent Spiritually to your Spirit.

A man has a natural spirit… which is his Natural truth in his Heart.
Some men have “a quickened / reborn “spirit in their heart”… Gods TRUTH…which dwells “IN” a man’s heart.
It IS “IN” the mans (born again spirit) IN his heart (where The Lord God communities) with humans…. And humans with Him.
A spiritual Transfer of Knowledge / information/ a request answered…
Or
The Reply can be…a man , physically SEEING his request answered.

Men can be scared, lost, ill, whatever and ASK, PRAY…. To be comforted, not scared, found, healthy…. And SEE the answer be Given…manifested that they SEE the answer.

This is BASIC knowledge… that you do not exhibit is something you know.

Continued 3
The true knowledge resides only in the Lord whose name is Jesus. Bear that in mind, will you?
 

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:


The Bible: The BIG Picture
Main Character for what? Who are the other characters?
For Eternal Redemption of all of the Unsaved characters written In The Bible, and for all thereafter who hear God's Good News!
Where did you get the notion of ‘God's Two-Fold
Purpose For The Heaven And the earth’ from? What happened now to the bible as ‘The Big Picture,’ as you claimed?
Simply "click on the link" and prayerfully / Carefully read the 69 pages found in:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.
 

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I know how much time I personally have INVESTED in learning ABOUT the Lord God, His Order, His Ways, His Offerings, HIs Blessings, His knowledge, His Understanding of HIS words…
Your phrase, ‘His words’ is no doubt the bible where you personally invested much of your time in learning [by yourself alone] about the Lord, etc., etc., etc., do I get you right? Since the bible is not the Lord, how then could you have the right knowledge about the Lord by and through the pages of the bible?
I don’t KNOW you… what you do, believe or why…

But do know you come with a snarky attitude… and little Spiritual understanding and wanting answers and understanding to very basic, elementary things in a carnal logical response…

It is very unpleasant to have an expectation of a Spiritual Conversation with a carnal minded individual.
Look, who’s speaking carnal logical response, knowing you’ve not heard anything yet from God? Could we expect true spiritual knowledge from someone whose source of ‘spiritual enlightenment’ is supposed to be God, but in reality, the litanies he fabricated from biblical passages take the place of God?
Perfect example of your Gaslighting…
Did I say I was the Savior?
No.
Did I say “I” was prescribing the manner of salvation?
No.
So why… Gaslight me…? Pretend you are disagreeing with something I never said?
Your narratives, wittingly or unwittingly, portray the things that only the Savior can prescribe, and they come to me in that negative manner.
Another example…
Accusing Me of lying …”IF”… (the meaning of Heartfully believe… is according to YOUR words)…

Why presume? Wonder “IF”? And fill-in the blanks with your words, and Ignorantly think …. I somehow am Limited to What applies to YOU?
Heartfully Believe is another Basic bit of Knowledge taught in Scripture.
A human has TWO Connected but Different “thought”, “belief” processors (so to speak)
Salvation does not come by simply believing what has been read and learned in the pages of the bible, which you believe to be the basics of salvation, hence, it’s a lie!
* the Carnal MIND…in the Brain…that can believe truths, knowingly concoct lies, believe lies. Weigh between this point and that point and Logically decide to believe one thing or the other…
… the carnal mind using its Logic capability…can NOT UNDERSTAND Gods Word!
Oh… and FYI… the Knowledge in Scripture (that befuddles you)…
Teaches the Carnal Mine is naturally Against God.!
The Scriptures are not God. They testify to the reality of Jesus so that we, readers, may come to Him (Jesus) for our salvation and eternal life. Carnal mind is totally in absentia to those whose Pastor and Teacher is the real and forever living Christ Jesus, who is beside us at all times, though we do not yet see Him.

So by learning From the “Knowledge IN Scripture… you should have learned… the Knowledge God has given to ALL humans… and then Learned…
God is not interested in your Logical mindful beliefs and conclusions…
Seriously… use your Carnal Minded logic… to choose, where to live, what shoes to wear, what time to get up, when to do laundry, when to mow the yard, go shopping, what to wear, blah, blah, blah…

Use you Spirit in your Hearts thoughts, to communicate with the Lord God, praise him, believe Him, Thank Him, And Ask Him whatever…etc.
True knowledge comes and emanates only from the real and forever living Christ Jesus. Let’s all come to Jesus for these things, shall we?
Another example:



Of course I am expressing MY opinion, My Belief in Agreement with Jesus…

Should you like me to Stop Expressing my Opinion, My belief…?
So YOU can continue SpeaKing FOR me and then Disagree with What you have said For me? Unpleasant annoying gaslighting.
Gotcha! Noted is your opinion, but with reservations, of course!
If you are convinced Scripture is not “knowledge” (which is Information awareness) and Only “testimonies “ ( which is first hand truths )…
So what?
Nothing! I learned that from Jesus, btw!
(I believe Scripture IS knowledge … is first hand testimonies, is second hand human speech, is about truth tellers, liars, cheats, thieves, is for verifying, is True, is a Benefit for all humans to hear, read, learn, accept, trust, believe….and IS Approved by God..
And with the FREEWILL option to reject….)

My Opinion, My Belief…and be it to me, my consequence… favorable or not.
Again, noted is your opinion, but with reservations, of course!
Irrelevant what is your opinion, your belief….it’s shall be unto you, your consequence.

This forum has a way to respond to an OTHERS words, without rewriting in your words what “they have said”.
You can listen to others and go BERIFY (look up in Scripture) if that is true… or Aka the other questions about what THEY say, not what you say For them!


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Rotsen777

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For Eternal Redemption of all of the Unsaved characters written In The Bible, and for all thereafter who hear God's Good News!
What role does the bible [which you over- magnified to ‘The Big Picture’] play in the Salvation Work of the real and forever living Christ Jesus? Why do you say the bible is ‘The Big Picture?’
Simply "click on the link" and prayerfully / Carefully read the 69 pages found in:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.
It’s too much, don’t you think so? Jesus’ call is plain and simple, to wit:

Remember, eternal life and your salvation are in My hands. If you want to be saved, come and draw near to Me. If you want eternal life, come and call upon Me. Trust in Me, because if you don't, you will have no salvation and no eternal life.
 

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What belief are you talking about, btw?

Jesus didn’t say salvation is a gift, did He?

What you’re saying here is a lie!

You’re guessing …

…you’ve not heard anything yet from God …

Litanies

You’ve not gone up to heaven yet,

Jesus saves because He is the Almighty God.

You’re not Jesus, how do you say ‘All Scripture IS True!’ knowing you’ve heard nothing yet from Jesus?

How will you do what He did?

Your phrase, ‘His words’ is no doubt the bible where you personally invested much of your time in learning [by yourself alone]

…the bible, which you believe to be the basics of salvation, hence, it’s a lie!

The Scriptures are not God.

Established;
Obstinate, Gaslighter, False accuser,
Red herring.
 

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I believe that only by abiding in Jesus Christ can humanity find salvation, and this is not contradictory to universalism.
Don't be surprised when MANY universalists are cast into hell fire.
 

Jack

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Leave that to Jesus, it’s His judgment call!
He already called it!

Matthew 7:14
14 Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it.