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Luther7

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Huh? God restored Israel in 1948, fulfilling the prophecy in Amos. It has EVERYTHING to do with current Israel.
You said: "Huh? God restored Israel in 1948, "

God allowed it to happen, in fulfillment of the fig tree parable, which is a testimony to the world that the nation of Israel will not repent and trust in Jesus Christ.

You should find out how Israel really came into being. You could say it was founded by terrorists. Because it was.
 

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You should find out how Israel really came into being. You could say it was founded by terrorists. Because it was.

The U.N. officially recognized Israel in 1948.

America's founding fathers were also considered to be "terrorists" by the British Government.
 

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You are lost. Your entire ideology and theology is erroneous.
This is how our world is. If you look deep enough you would understand why our government is the way it is, not to mention our society in general.
They did an excellent job of playing the victim throughout history, especially after WWII.
 
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Do you believe that Jesus will succeed in his mission to unite all things to himself as described here?

Ephesians 1:7-10
7 In him we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of his grace, 8 which he lavished upon us, in all wisdom and insight 9 making known[c] to us the mystery of his will, according to his purpose, which he set forth in Christ 10 as a plan for the fullness of time, to unite all things in him, things in heaven and things on earth.
A person of little faith and understanding in scripture...."Jesus will succeed in his mission"...really..

Ephesians 1:7–10 centers on God the Father as the sovereign planner and initiator of salvation, revealing His eternal purpose through Christ. The passage highlights that the Father chose believers before the foundation of the world (v. 4), predestined them for adoption as His children (v. 5), and blessed them in Christ (v. 6) — all according to His good pleasure and glorious grace (v. 6). This divine plan, rooted in the Father’s will, unfolds through Christ’s redemptive work—His blood provides the means of forgiveness of sins and redemption, securing liberation from sin’s bondage (v. 7). The Father’s wisdom and insight make known the mystery of His will, which is to unite all things in Christ at the fullness of time (v. 10), bringing heaven and earth into harmony under His Son’s lordship. Thus, the Father’s role is foundational: He is the master planner, the source of grace, and the one whose glory is the ultimate goal of redemption.

I do not follow or support those not in Christ as my loving brothers or sisters, those who are already slated for the Kingdom before man was even created. God has already united all in him through his Son, those he foreknew and chose. We are just seeing it all play out in our generations, in the last ages of mankind.
 

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The U.N. officially recognized Israel in 1948.

America's founding fathers were also considered to be "terrorists" by the British Government.
You are straying from the main point, in the fact that God allowed it to happen, but it was not blessed by Him. It was a political maneuver, and it is tied in with WWI , WWII and communist zionists.
 
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those he foreknew and chose.

That's not mentioned in the scriptures that I shared. Jesus will unite ALL THINGS. That means ALL THINGS as in ALL people and ALL beings. ALL will be united in Christ.
 

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You are straying from the main point, in the fact that God allowed it to happen, but it was not blessed by Him.

Of course the restoration of Israel was "blessed" by God. He was the one that made it happen. God's will ALWAYS prevails. You are in opposition to and in rebellion against God.
 

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That's not mentioned in the scriptures that I shared. Jesus will unite ALL THINGS. That means ALL THINGS as in ALL people and ALL beings. ALL will be united in Christ.
So you might not lose sight of the entire local context, here's the entire essential passage and theme of glorifying God in the execution of his redemption plan of individuals and not by national status. God does not deal or count for a national-political basis anymore if you read your Bible.

Ephesians 1:3–14 presents a profound theological portrait of God’s redemptive plan, centered on God the Father and his Spirit, and Yeshua the Messiah (the Son), both working in unity, in one purpose, to bring believers into His eternal Kingdom.

God the Father is the sovereign initiator: He chose believers "in Christ before the foundation of the world" (v. 4), predestined them for adoption as His children (v. 5), and planned the fullness of time to unite all things in Christ (v. 10). His purpose is to glorify His own grace and glory (v. 6, 12, 14).

Yeshua the Messiah (the Son) is the central agent of redemption: Through His blood, believers receive redemption and forgiveness of sins (v. 7). He is the "Beloved" in whom God has made believers accepted (v. 6), and He is the one through whom all things in heaven and on earth will be gathered together (v. 10). The inheritance believers receive is secured "in Him" (v. 11).

The Spirit of the Father is the seal and guarantee of this inheritance: Believers are "sealed with his Spirit of promise" (v. 13), who serves as a down payment (or "earnest") of the future redemption of God’s people (v. 14).

The passage emphasizes that entry into God’s Kingdom is not by human effort but by divine election, grace, and faith in Christ. The ultimate purpose of this plan is "to the praise of His glory" (v. 6, 12, 14), underscoring that God’s glory is the final end of all things.

Yeshua is executing his Father's plan and mission from heaven today as he did on the earth to the Cross to become the first reborn from the dead into immortality.
 

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Yeshua is executing his Father's plan and mission from heaven today as he did on the earth to the Cross to become the first reborn from the dead into immortality.
Yes, but you apparently don't believe that God wants ALL to be saved and that Jesus will succeed in doing so. I believe that Jesus is capable and willing and he will succeed at persuading ALL BEINGS to gleefully proclaim that he is Lord and willingly follow him into God's eternal Kingdom, although many won't follow him until after their physical death and a visit to the proverbial "Lake of Fire".
 

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Of course the restoration of Israel was "blessed" by God. He was the one that made it happen. God's will ALWAYS prevails. You are in opposition to and in rebellion against God.
No. Old Testament Israel collectively chose to rebel against God. Only a remnant will turn to Him. After the Cross, jews have a choice to make: serve the Lord Jesus Christ or continue to dwell in the synagogue of Satan.

Many who profess to be Christians have been decieved by jews who want them to believe something wonderful is awaiting a whole nation of sinners, like you and I. There is no such thing as a future collective salvation.....NOW IS THE DAY OF SALVATION, and jews need to repent now. They are no different than anyone else.
 

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I'm just a little curious how many of your christian brethren you despise for not worshipping Israel with you.
that is a good question .
And now for another question .
Why are vast amounts of christian churches despising the very words of God , Of Christ in scriptures
and even true brethren .
And the answer is
THEY have been fooled by the love of the world that came cloaked as though it were the love of GOD .
And it has led them into deep rebellion against THE GOD , THE CHRIST and the true non conforming saints who hold to the truth in scripture . .
you have a blessed night now .
 
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You're changing the scriptures to fit your personal theology.
John 17:1-2:
Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the time has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 2 just as You have given Him authority over all flesh, so that He will give eternal life to all You have given Him.
 

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that is a good question .
And now for another question .
Why are vast amounts of christian churches despising the very words of God , Of Christ in scriptures
and even true brethren .
And the answer is
THEY have been fooled by the love of the world that came cloaked as though it were the love of GOD .
And it has led them into deep rebellion against THE GOD , THE CHRIST and the true non conforming saints who hold to the truth in scripture . .
you have a blessed night now .
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So, imagine when the Israelites in the Old Testament were taken into exile and then rescued by Cyrus the Persian, at the time of their return—was it also like the situation they are in now?

Then who lived on the land? Did their return not cause a war?
Your question is very precise. It touches upon the very essence of that historical period. When we focus on the phrase "irreconcilable conflict," we find it is indeed a thread that connects the ancient and modern eras.

**Yes, during the era of the return initiated by Cyrus the Great, a conflict that could be described as "irreconcilable" under the conditions of that time did arise between the Jews and the Samaritans.** While this conflict cannot be compared in scale or form to the full-scale war risks faced by modern Israel, in terms of the profundity of its fundamental contradiction, it can be seen as the ancient version of an "irreconcilable" conflict.

### The Roots and Manifestations of the Ancient "Irreconcilable" Conflict

The "irreconcilable" nature of the conflict between the ancient Jews and Samaritans stemmed primarily from a fundamental clash of identity. To understand this conflict, we can look at the following comparison:

| Dimension of Comparison | The Returning Jews | The Local Samaritans |
| :--- | :--- | :--- |
| **Core Identity** | **Purity of Monotheistic Faith**. They considered themselves the sole legitimate inheritors of the "holy nation" covenanted with God, and they had to strictly separate themselves from foreign influences. | **Mixed Religion and Lineage**. They were descendants of the people who remained in the land and intermarried with foreign peoples brought in by the conquerors. While they also worshipped Yahweh, they were seen by the Jews as tainted by idolatry and thus "impure." |
| **Worship Center** | **Jerusalem**. This was considered the exclusive dwelling place designated by God. | **Mount Gerizim**. They believed this was the true divinely appointed place of worship, creating a sharp opposition to Jerusalem. |
| **Root of Conflict** | Rejecting the Samaritans' request to participate in rebuilding the Temple, as it was seen as defiling a sacred mission. | After their request to participate in the rebuilding was denied, they felt rejected and humiliated, and subsequently became the most determined opponents of the reconstruction project. |

**This "irreconcilable" conflict primarily manifested at the time as:**

* **Sustained Political Opposition**: They used their influence to repeatedly petition the Persian king, accusing the Jews of sedition, and even succeeded in halting the reconstruction work in Jerusalem for a period.
* **Social Segregation**: The two groups formed separate communities with no interaction. This schism deepened over subsequent centuries, eventually evolving into a complete religious schism.

### ⚖️ Essential Differences from "Modern War Risks"

Although the ancient contradiction was "irreconcilable" within its social context, it differs fundamentally from the "war risks" faced by modern Israel.

* **The Ancient Conflict: A "Struggle for Existence and Identity."** It occurred primarily within the framework of an empire (Persia), where both sides competed for religious orthodoxy, local influence, and living space. The means of conflict were political lawsuits, economic sabotage, and social segregation. The goal was to "suppress" the other within an established order, not to completely annihilate their existence.
* **Modern War Risks: A "Confrontation over Sovereignty and Survival."** It involves modern states with sovereignty, militaries, and international legal standing, facing composite military threats from other nations and non-state actors. The means of conflict is modern warfare, and its objective is to defend or destroy the state itself.

So, simply put, the ancient "irreconcilable" conflict was a **vertical, deep-seated opposition in religious identity**, while modern war risks represent a **horizontal, life-or-death struggle between sovereign states**. The ancient conflict laid a distant historical precedent for the modern opposition, but the complexity and brutality of the latter have pushed this conflict to a level unimaginable to the ancients.

**Then during the time of Jesus, the "irreconcilable conflict" between Jews and Samaritans.**

By the time of Jesus, the centuries-long conflict between Jews and Samaritans had evolved from initial political and racial confrontation into a deeply entrenched **ethnic and religious segregation** that permeated daily life. This state of "irreconcilability" is clearly reflected in multiple accounts throughout the New Testament.

### Multi-Dimensional Manifestations of the Conflict

In Jesus' era, this "irreconcilability" manifested in every aspect of daily life, which can be summarized in the following table:

| Dimension of Conflict | Specific Manifestations and Historical Background |
| :--- | :--- |
| **Social Segregation** | The Gospel of John explicitly states: "Jews have no dealings with Samaritans" (John 4:9). This segregation affected all areas of life; for instance, Jewish legal tradition even held that "the bread of a Samaritan is more unclean than swine's flesh." |
| **Verbal Insults** | "Samaritan" itself had become a term of abuse. When Jewish leaders wanted to insult Jesus, they said: "Are we not right in saying that you are a Samaritan and have a demon?" (John 8:48). |
| **Hostility and Violence** | This hatred was also accompanied by violence. According to the historian Josephus, Samaritans often attacked Galilean pilgrims traveling to Jerusalem for festivals. When Jesus was rejected by a Samaritan village, his disciples James and John wanted to call fire down from heaven to destroy them (Luke 9:51-56). |
| **Religious Opposition** | This was the core root of the conflict. The two groups had different centers of worship: Jews considered the Temple in Jerusalem the sole holy place, while Samaritans worshipped God on Mount Gerizim. Samaritans accepted only the Pentateuch and even altered its text (e.g., changing "Mount Ebal" to "Mount Gerizim" in Deuteronomy 27:4) to support their chosen place of worship. |

### Jesus: A Unique Attitude of Transcending Hatred

In such a fiercely antagonistic environment, the attitude of Jesus Christ demonstrated remarkable transcendence. He not only avoided the conflict but actively broke down this wall of partition:

* **Deliberately Passing Through Samaria**: The Gospel of John records that Jesus "had to" pass through Samaria (John 4:4). This was not a geographical necessity (Jews of the time usually took a detour) but a necessity arising from his mission.
* **Speaking with the Samaritan Woman**: At Jacob's well in Sychar, Jesus asked a Samaritan woman coming to draw water for a drink and engaged in a profound theological dialogue with her, ultimately revealing to her plainly that he was the Messiah (John 4:26). This was an astonishing act in the context of the first century.
* **Setting the Example of the "Good Samaritan"**: When questioned by a lawyer about "who is my neighbor," Jesus told a parable: In stark contrast to the priest and Levite who passed by without helping, it was a Samaritan—considered an enemy—who was moved with compassion and aided a complete stranger, a Jew (Luke 10:25-37). This parable completely overturned the racial and religious prejudices of his time.
* **Giving the Great Commission**: After his resurrection, Jesus commanded his disciples to be his witnesses "in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth" (Acts 1:8). This signified that the gospel was to break down all ethnic barriers. Subsequently, Philip went down to the city of Samaria and preached Christ, bringing about a great revival (Acts 8:4-8).

In summary, the "irreconcilability" between Jews and Samaritans in Jesus' time was the inevitable product of centuries of historical trauma and religious opposition. The words and actions of Jesus Christ, within this extremely tense social context, opened a path that transcended hatred and pointed toward **reconciliation**.
 
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Do you want me to be sent to a concentration camp along with the Jews that you want to send?
In the U.S. you can face legal liability for what you are doing here. Delete your post immediately.

You are repeatedly posting terrible hate speech on this website and spreading defamation about Christians.

I do not think you are truthful about Christianity on your profile. You should be banned immediately. You are here to sow discord and to attack and defame Christians.

@Angelina @ewq1938 @Debp @lforrest @Marilyn C Please remove his post and take action or else this board will become trash. Reporting does not seem to help.
 
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