Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?
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It does not matter what you reject, this Christian board defines what is meant by the word "Christian" on your profile. And so the participants here on this Christian boards expect you to be an orthodox Christian, if you label yourself so.
Nope. Protestantism is a theological terminus technicus, it is not whatever you wish it to be. For example, you are not a Protestant, no matter how much you protest against it (pun intended).
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Greetings again HealthyShape,
The Note below this selection states: "Please select your faith. This can only be changed by an Admin after selection."
I am content to claim that I am a "Biblical" Christian, by comparison to your "Traditional" Christian or even "Apostate" Christian, that is, following the teachings and practices of the Apostate Church rather than the Apostolic Ekklesia.
In anticipation of your objection, I was going to research what information I had on the Council of or at Nicaea, but time constraints only allowed me to open one relevant book, now bookmarked on page 118 on my desk, and I read the preliminary reason for the calling of this Council by Constantine. Perhaps even this was sufficient for me to question the whole procedure and outcome as the Council was called by Constantine, and we could discuss his role and his life and character first if you like. Was he a true "Christian". When did he get baptised?
The Calling of the Council was described on page 118 of this particular book. The author was a Doctor of Divinity and Professor of the History of Religion at the College of France. I would also refer to about five other books in my library to give perhaps a wider perspective and if very lucky find one that is favourable to your perspective? - "what a wonderful Council".
My concept of fellowship is the need to have a direct connection with the One God, Yahweh, God the Father and this is also through our direct connection with our Saviour, the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ. This necessitates an affectionate belief of the Gospel motivating us to be identified with the death and resurrection of Jesus for salvation and then Living the Crucified/Resurrected Life Galatians 2:20 and waiting for his near return from heaven to establish the King of God on earth, reigning from Jerusalem for the 1000 years. I consider your definition of "Christian"as severely inadequate.
Any fellowship after this flows from this initial, complete fellowship, and we share fellowship with those who have the same fellowship with God and Jesus.
ALL of the above is a true definition of "Christian" while "Other Faith" is inadequate and ambiguous.
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Trevor
The options when joining were Christian, Muslim, Agnostic, Atheist, Other Faith. "Other Faith" could be Buddhist or something similar. There are many religions in say India.
The Note below this selection states: "Please select your faith. This can only be changed by an Admin after selection."
I am content to claim that I am a "Biblical" Christian, by comparison to your "Traditional" Christian or even "Apostate" Christian, that is, following the teachings and practices of the Apostate Church rather than the Apostolic Ekklesia.
In anticipation of your objection, I was going to research what information I had on the Council of or at Nicaea, but time constraints only allowed me to open one relevant book, now bookmarked on page 118 on my desk, and I read the preliminary reason for the calling of this Council by Constantine. Perhaps even this was sufficient for me to question the whole procedure and outcome as the Council was called by Constantine, and we could discuss his role and his life and character first if you like. Was he a true "Christian". When did he get baptised?
The Calling of the Council was described on page 118 of this particular book. The author was a Doctor of Divinity and Professor of the History of Religion at the College of France. I would also refer to about five other books in my library to give perhaps a wider perspective and if very lucky find one that is favourable to your perspective? - "what a wonderful Council".
My concept of fellowship is the need to have a direct connection with the One God, Yahweh, God the Father and this is also through our direct connection with our Saviour, the Son of God, our Lord Jesus Christ. This necessitates an affectionate belief of the Gospel motivating us to be identified with the death and resurrection of Jesus for salvation and then Living the Crucified/Resurrected Life Galatians 2:20 and waiting for his near return from heaven to establish the King of God on earth, reigning from Jerusalem for the 1000 years. I consider your definition of "Christian"as severely inadequate.
Any fellowship after this flows from this initial, complete fellowship, and we share fellowship with those who have the same fellowship with God and Jesus.
ALL of the above is a true definition of "Christian" while "Other Faith" is inadequate and ambiguous.
Kind regards
Trevor
soberxp
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They've no rights to judge anyone who is not the one and who follow Jesus Christ.
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To judge ones belonging to Christ i believe is not that simple when we wish to use the standard of the Trinity Doctrine to make this critial judgment ,
what are the standards and criteria of the Trinity Doctrine ?
there are many, many Christian denomination all across the planet and many individuals with their own personal view, theory or doctrine of the Trinity. there are some things about the concept of the Trinity that simply are not explained within the hundreds of different versions of the Bible.
what are the standards and criteria of the Trinity Doctrine ?
the doctrine has changed very drastically - as we see below
Protestant K.J.V. - -
Heb 10:12 After he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever,, - sat down ON the right hand of God;
vs the Catholic
Catholic Douay Rheims and the Latin Vulgate - -
Heb 10:12 Offering one sacrifice for sins,, - for ever sitteth ON the right hand of God,
a simple comma can change a whole perspective of ones theology and which way it leans.......
was Jesus a Catholic Trinitarian who forever sits on the Right Hand Of God ?
or is Jesus a Protestant Trinitarian who does not forever sit on the Right Hand Of God ?
this is huge and enormous difference, to make this change upon the translation concerning the Trinity that had been the translating guide for Christians for almost 2000 years ....
suddenly the Protestant Church discovers something about the Trinity that the Christian world held in error regarding the Trinity for the previous nearly 2000 years.
what majority group will come along next and decide they like the trinity a different way, altering the Trinity doctrine slightly enough to make another change in the translation ?
To judge ones belonging to Christ i believe is not that simple when we wish to use the standard of the Trinity Doctrine to make this critial judgment ,
what are the standards and criteria of the Trinity Doctrine ?
there are many, many Christian denomination all across the planet and many individuals with their own personal view, theory or doctrine of the Trinity. there are some things about the concept of the Trinity that simply are not explained within the hundreds of different versions of the Bible.
what are the standards and criteria of the Trinity Doctrine ?
the doctrine has changed very drastically - as we see below
Protestant K.J.V. - -
Heb 10:12 After he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever,, - sat down ON the right hand of God;
vs the Catholic
Catholic Douay Rheims and the Latin Vulgate - -
Heb 10:12 Offering one sacrifice for sins,, - for ever sitteth ON the right hand of God,
a simple comma can change a whole perspective of ones theology and which way it leans.......
was Jesus a Catholic Trinitarian who forever sits on the Right Hand Of God ?
or is Jesus a Protestant Trinitarian who does not forever sit on the Right Hand Of God ?
this is huge and enormous difference, to make this change upon the translation concerning the Trinity that had been the translating guide for Christians for almost 2000 years ....
suddenly the Protestant Church discovers something about the Trinity that the Christian world held in error regarding the Trinity for the previous nearly 2000 years.
what majority group will come along next and decide they like the trinity a different way, altering the Trinity doctrine slightly enough to make another change in the translation ?
You should select "other faith", then. And you can then identify what unorthodox cult you are from in your signature, for example, if you are afraid you would be associated with Buddhism.
I am not interested in your attacks on orthodoxy, this is Christians Only forum, so behave appropriately or you will be reported.
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Greetings again HealthyShape,
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Trevor
Fair enough I suppose, but i suggest it appears that the person who designed the original sign-in did mot anticipate your position or suggestion. I am happy to move on from this thread.
Kind regards
Trevor
soberxp
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Oh,my God Jehovah.
And my lord Jesus Christ.
If you are planning to have a child with your wife or husband, do you have many thoughts beforehand? What kind of appearance should the child have in the future? What kind of personality should it have? An image will first come to your mind.
Sober 1:1 In the beginning was the mind, and the mind was with father, and the mind was father.
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And the mind became flesh.
And the word became flesh.
So why did God institute marriage? Was it not to help you understand something?
In science, the genes of children are 99.99% similar to those of their parents.
And my lord Jesus Christ.
If you are planning to have a child with your wife or husband, do you have many thoughts beforehand? What kind of appearance should the child have in the future? What kind of personality should it have? An image will first come to your mind.
Sober 1:1 In the beginning was the mind, and the mind was with father, and the mind was father.
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And the mind became flesh.
And the word became flesh.
So why did God institute marriage? Was it not to help you understand something?
In science, the genes of children are 99.99% similar to those of their parents.
Armour of God
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Well to be a Christian simply means to believe in Christ. We must remember that the term "trinity" does not even appear anywhere in the bible therefore the understanding or belief in it isn't required to be considered a Christian. There are many Christian denomination and probably some of them don't adhere to the trinity.
It is required to be considered a Christian according to Christian orthodoxy. And the Christian orthodoxy, including the acceptance of Trinity or of the deity of Christ, is in the rules of this Christian board for the definition of Christian, you can read it there:
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Christianity Board has alway prided itself in being a place of scholarly discussion, friendship and an environment where members can grow, learn and share their experiences in Christ. Our team at Cyb have worked hard over the years to ensure that this ethos is maintained and upheld however, we...
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So you do need to accept Trinity to label yourself a Christian on this forums.
Armour of God
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"Christian orthodoxy"It is required to be considered a Christian according to Christian orthodoxy. And the Christian orthodoxy, including the acceptance of Trinity or of the deity of Christ, is in the rules of this Christian board for the definition of Christian, you can read it there:
Policy Change - Topics On The Trinity Can Now Be Discussed at CyB Updated - 20/12/2024
Christianity Board has alway prided itself in being a place of scholarly discussion, friendship and an environment where members can grow, learn and share their experiences in Christ. Our team at Cyb have worked hard over the years to ensure that this ethos is maintained and upheld however, we...
So you do need to accept Trinity to label yourself a Christian on this forums.
There are thousands of Christian denominations and they all have their own orthodoxy.
I don't really care about labels. There are many things that I don't understand including the trinity, so people can label me what they like, it makes no difference to me. I believe in God and I believe in Jesus and that's all that really matters to me.
soberxp
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This attitude is as arrogant as the Medieval Catholic Church—you probably would have burned people at the stake in that era.
No wonder they came up with something like the Trinity.
Oh,my God Jehovah.
And my lord Jesus Christ.
If you are planning to have a child with your wife or husband, do you have many thoughts beforehand? What kind of appearance should the child have in the future? What kind of personality should it have? An image will first come to your mind.
Sober 1:1 In the beginning was the mind, and the mind was with father, and the mind was father.
John 1:1 - In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
And the mind became flesh.
And the word became flesh.
So why did God institute marriage? Was it not to help you understand something?
In science, the genes of children are 99.99% similar to those of their parents.
You are arrogant if you do not respect the basic rules of the platform you create your account on. Think about that.
Being unitarian, I found if I don't slander, and make decent rebuttals, the board doesn't care much. Respect the "orthodoxy", and perhaps they will respect that you believe differently.
I agree that if somebody who breaks the rules is not too aggressive or too visible, his breaking of the rules has a higher chance of being tolerated ("respected" is not the right word).
It is not about respecting that somebody believes differently, it is about tolerating that somebody who believes differently still tries to participate in the sections that are only for orthodox Christians.
No, not in Christians Only forums. Tolerance, at best. You are breaking rules if you label yourself a Christian while rejecting how this board defines Christianity.
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I get a lot tolerance here, but it would seem that I would get the same tolerance in the unorthodox theology forum. Still the only reason you call JWs non-Christian is because they are non-Christian in their morals often enough.
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