The thing that makes me want to laugh the most is about God.

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If I understand correctly, the words spoken by God concern our life and death, and we must obey them—otherwise, we face only death.

God can also foresee all that is to come. Yet I wonder, isn’t it true that all this foreknowledge exists only because God has thought things through to that very point?

In other words, if everything that happens does not come about because of God’s way of thinking, then would it be so difficult for God to personally speak words of guidance to each person?

Would that not change all the pain, sorrow, and grief of the future, and ensure that evil never arises in the first place? I would prefer that—I would rather I had never existed, I would rather the world be entirely at peace.

What exactly is God’s omnipotence? To foresee that a person will become evil, yet not address the problem at its root, nor guide that person onto the right path.

Instead, everything happens for the sake of some future—but what is the future to me? Why should I care about people I have never met, and what does it mean to change history?

If it is for the sake of human emotion, then why must so many people fail to be saved? And for those who are saved, discovering that those they once knew are lost—what kind of torment is that? Or are people simply selfish, and the passersby in life merely fleeting shadows?

Could it be that God fears that humans will not follow His words, and so dares not speak with them? How can we know it is impossible without even trying?

When He sees people going astray, does He wait in silence for them to repent by mere thought?

I find all of this somewhat ironic.
 

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Would that not change all the pain, sorrow, and grief of the future, and ensure that evil never arises in the first place? I would prefer that—I would rather I had never existed, I would rather the world be entirely at peace.

Have you considered all the things we can learn from living in a fallen world where pain, sorrow, and grief exist? It gives us greater insights and perspectives that we never would have had. We learn faith, perseverance, and courage. These are attributes we would have never developed in paradise. We fully understand the consequences of sin and gain a greater appreciation of Heaven. We gain new insights into the character of God by witnessing how he deals with us. Through the crucifixion, we have learned the lengths God went through to redeem us and a dimension of God’s love we never would have known otherwise. When metal is put through fire, it comes out refined. This life is very much analogous to that. This life is temporal, but the things we learn from it will serve us in eternity.

What exactly is God’s omnipotence? To foresee that a person will become evil, yet not address the problem at its root, nor guide that person onto the right path.

I believe He does, and we have a conscience to guide us. But there is still the issue of free will. A person can know what is evil and still choose to do evil. The only alternative is to have no free will at all, but then we would be like puppets in God's divine play.
 

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I believe God is addressing the initial rebellion of man. Man believed Satan when he said you shall be as god's knowing good and evil.

Well, when God gives us the autonomy of gods, what do we do with it and what is the result? Spoiler: it's not good, man will be proven incompetent, and God will be proven the only one able and worthy to wield absolute power and authority.

I also don't believe God's foreknowledge is due to his ability to predict outcomes accurately. But it comes from knowledge of our futures.
 

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If I understand correctly, the words spoken by God concern our life and death, and we must obey them—otherwise, we face only death.

God can also foresee all that is to come. Yet I wonder, isn’t it true that all this foreknowledge exists only because God has thought things through to that very point?

In other words, if everything that happens does not come about because of God’s way of thinking, then would it be so difficult for God to personally speak words of guidance to each person?

Would that not change all the pain, sorrow, and grief of the future, and ensure that evil never arises in the first place? I would prefer that—I would rather I had never existed, I would rather the world be entirely at peace.

What exactly is God’s omnipotence? To foresee that a person will become evil, yet not address the problem at its root, nor guide that person onto the right path.

Instead, everything happens for the sake of some future—but what is the future to me? Why should I care about people I have never met, and what does it mean to change history?

If it is for the sake of human emotion, then why must so many people fail to be saved? And for those who are saved, discovering that those they once knew are lost—what kind of torment is that? Or are people simply selfish, and the passersby in life merely fleeting shadows?

Could it be that God fears that humans will not follow His words, and so dares not speak with them? How can we know it is impossible without even trying?

When He sees people going astray, does He wait in silence for them to repent by mere thought?

I find all of this somewhat ironic.

I play you a song.

 
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At 5:30 in the early morning, I went out to buy breakfast. On the dark road, I saw a figure. Because I'm a bit nearsighted, I couldn't see clearly. As a person approached me, my peripheral vision caught a protruding mouth. We passed by each other, but it turned out to be an old woman. Recalling that protruding mouth, which looked like a snake or a lizard, it reminded me of the legendary Satan. Back in my room, my anger surged like an endless, surging river, but I felt that I allowed it a chance to repent. Perhaps this is the greatest extent of rationality I can maintain.
 

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I play you a song.


The enemy is forever invisible; you and I cannot even find this enemy, nor can we end anything. Humanity will be toyed with endlessly by that enemy in this world. The only one who could bring an end to it—or at least teach this enemy a lesson—is God, yet for now, He remains unmoved.

I feel utterly powerless.

I don't even have the chance to confront the enemy face to face.

If I ever stood before Satan, I would not kill him—I would confront and question him.
 
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The enemy is forever invisible; you and I cannot even find this enemy, nor can we end anything. Humanity will be toyed with endlessly by that enemy in this world. The only one who could bring an end to it—or at least teach this enemy a lesson—is God, yet for now, He remains unmoved.

I feel utterly powerless.

I don't even have the chance to confront the enemy face to face.

If I ever stood before Satan, I would not kill him—I would confront and question him.
Satan is a 1000 times smarter than you and an Arch angel of light. Jesus told the disciples that Satan desired to sift them as wheat. You see he could easily take on the 12 apostles. Even the Arch angel Michael did not contend with the Devil, only rebuked him in the Lord's name. Don't tangle with Satan. I have already wrestled with him and Jesus pulled him off, because only Jesus could.