THE REAL PARABLE OF THE FIG TREE

[Davy]

OH Davy, if you have taken to time to consider what I had posted, our understanding is much closer than you give me credit for.

Not so Jay, because you are trying to re-define the context of how Lord Jesus used the word for "generation" in Matthew 24:34. He used the word for "generation" (probably in Aramaic), to point to the final peoples living on earth that will actually SEE His future return. And He said all "these things", meaning the Signs He gave in that Matthew 24 Chapter, will be fulfilled in that FINAL time of the group of peoples alive when He returns.

The word generation is not difficult. It means the same thing in Greek as it does in English. It can point to a specific period of time, or to a specific offspring of people. Jesus used it to point to a specific point of time, the END of this world with those still alive that will literally SEE His future coming.


What you posted Jay instead tries to use the word 'generation' to point to a specific group of peoples or offspring back in history and over a 1,024 year period.

You said, and I quote...

Mat 24:34 is speaking about an age which will have a duration of 1,024 solar years.​

Well, no, it is not... speaking of an age lasting 1,024 years. Jesus was speaking of the FINAL generation living on earth. For it to mean a time span of 1,024 years is impossible. Where you got that false 1,024 year timespan idea is from man's false Preterist doctrine which believes the Signs Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse happen over a long period of time, starting like back around 1,000 A.D. or something, or even 70 A.D., because they believe the first Sign of not one stone atop another was fulfilled in 70 A.D. by the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem and the temple.

 

[Jay Ross]

Not so Jay, because you are trying to re-define the context of how Lord Jesus used the word for "generation" in Matthew 24:34. He used the word for "generation" (probably in Aramaic), to point to the final peoples living on earth that will actually SEE His future return. And He said all "these things", meaning the Signs He gave in that Matthew 24 Chapter, will be fulfilled in that FINAL time of the group of peoples alive when He returns.

I agree that this is one possible way of interpreting Mat 24:34.

You are reading the English word "Generation" as being a descendant generation which is the modern present day understanding of "genea", however in the PC Study Bible G:1074 has been given the following Strong Definition: -


During the Little While period at the end of the Seventh Age, where the Seventh Age begins from my understanding in the year 2045 AD and that this Seventh Age will end 1024 years later around the end of the year 3168 AD. Now your understanding is that Christ was referring to the descendant generation that was born from around the year 3100 AD and lived to the end of the age when the final judgement will take place.

Davy, your last descendant generation will live during the Seventh Age and will exist towards the very end of the Seventh Age. My position is that the Seventh Age will not pass away until all of what Christ foretold would happen during the Seventh Age would come to its completion.

The word generation is not difficult. It means the same thing in Greek as it does in English. It can point to a specific period of time, or to a specific offspring of people. Jesus used it to point to a specific point of time, the END of this world with those still alive that will literally SEE His future coming.

Which is what I have said above.

What you posted Jay instead tries to use the word 'generation' to point to a specific group of peoples or offspring back in history and over a 1,024 year period.

You said, and I quote...

Mat 24:34 is speaking about an age which will have a duration of 1,024 solar years.
Well, no, it is not... speaking of an age lasting 1,024 years. Jesus was speaking of the FINAL generation living on earth. For it to mean a time span of 1,024 years is impossible. Where you got that false 1,024 year timespan idea is from man's false Preterist doctrine which believes the Signs Jesus gave in His Olivet discourse happen over a long period of time, starting like back around 1,000 A.D. or something, or even 70 A.D., because they believe the first Sign of not one stone atop another was fulfilled in 70 A.D. by the Romans who destroyed Jerusalem and the temple.

Davy, I have made no reference to the Preterist doctrine as you are suggesting. You are constructing a stray man argument by trying to claim that I believe in the Preterist Doctrine which is not true and you know that it is not true. You sadly have presented afalse argument against what I have posted.

We are both pointing to the same end point over 1,000 years from now.

 

[Davy]

I agree that this is one possible way of interpreting Mat 24:34.

You are reading the English word "Generation" as being a descendant generation which is the modern present day understanding of "genea"....

No, I am definitely not... reading the word "generation" in Matt.24:34 to mean ANY "descendent" idea, period.

You are wanting to ADD that idea of "descendent" when that ONLY can apply in the case of a specific generation of people over a long, long, long period of time, even centuries. Nope, I'm not implying any such idea as that, and nor did Lord Jesus when He said it.

The context Lord Jesus used for the idea of the generation that will SEE His future coming means the LAST peoples living on earth for this present world time, i.e., the LAST, FINAL, generation, and not any specific family of people, but ALL... peoples alive when Jesus returns.

Now I know... you understand that. So you need to quit trying to ADD a idea to that Scripture that Jesus did not say, and is not written there.

 

[Jay Ross]

Now I know... you understand that. So, you need to quit trying to ADD an idea to that Scripture that Jesus did not say and is not written there.

Really Davy, is that the best you can do from your arrogant perspective of being "RIGHT" because of your "AGE." Age does not necessarily denote spiritual wisdom, but you have pointed to your "old" age as a sign of just how "RIGHT" you believe you are.

A generation is equivalent to an age which is also equivalent to the duration of a day of the Lord. H:1755, "dowr" so that a generation is also equivalent to a Day of the Lord.

In the LXX H:1755 was translated into the Greek Root word "genea" in the case of Gen 15:16 where God was pointing to an event that would happen during the fourth age of the existence of Abraham's descendants from the time of the birth of Isaac.

In Mat 24:34, Christ was using "genea" as a reference to an age/generation and not just to one descendant generation which will happens to exist towards the very end of the seventh age.

The question in Mat 24:3 is: - Mat 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

The end of the age is a reference to the Seventh Age. However, the Greek said, "and the end of the world," particularly how we know it at this present time.

 

[Davy]

Really Davy, is that the best you can do from your arrogant perspective of being "RIGHT" because of your "AGE." Age does not necessarily denote spiritual wisdom, but you have pointed to your "old" age as a sign of just how "RIGHT" you believe you are.

Your rebelliousness against my Lord Jesus Christ and His written Word is obvious by your words now. Since you have been shown as tampering with the written Bible Scripture of Matthew 24:34 concerning how Jesus used the idea of generation, you reveal you are against what that Bible Scriptures states, and what Jesus Himself said there.

Your attempt at redirection of the context of Matthew 24:34 can only be because you are simply Biblically illiterate, or that you have a false agenda against the New Testament Scriptures, pointing to you possibly following the Jew's religion.

Welcome to my IGNORE list, again. (Yes brethren, I try to give the apostates another possible chance to come to the Truth written in God's Word instead of their following the traditions of men. So I will occasionally remove them off of Ignore.)

 

[Jay Ross]

Your rebelliousness against my Lord Jesus Christ and His written Word is obvious by your words now. Since you have been shown as tampering with the written Bible Scripture of Matthew 24:34 concerning how Jesus used the idea of generation, you reveal you are against what that Bible Scriptures states, and what Jesus Himself said there.

Your attempt at redirection of the context of Matthew 24:34 can only be because you are simply Biblically illiterate, or that you have a false agenda against the New Testament Scriptures, pointing to you possibly following the Jew's religion.

Welcome to my IGNORE list, again. (Yes brethren, I try to give the apostates another possible chance to come to the Truth written in God's Word instead of their following the traditions of men. So I will occasionally remove them off of Ignore.)

What is your problem Davy? It seems that you are reacting to being called out for your own misappropriation of the Geek text in Matthew 24.

I have provided the Strong Definition for G:1074, "Genea" which suggests that "Genea" should be understood to have the meaning of an age.

Your latest charge is that I am in some way following the Jew's religion.

Now, I have pointed out that contextually we are both pointing to the same time frame at the end of the Seventh Age, but for some reason you are rejecting this similarity in our respective perspectives with respect to Mat 4:34 and the meaning of "Genes".

Sorry Davy, but you seem to have a dislike for me having a differing understanding to you and the scriptures. You have posted dis-information with respect to what I have posted. Is there a deeper reason for you generating this misinformation.

I will let the readers decide for themselves as to how they will receive our respective posts on this matter.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You've never heard of the baby-boomer generation ? or generation X ?

The average current life expectancy in the U.S.A. is 78 years. King David died at 70 years old.

Douggg, why are you not addressing anything I said? Show me a definition of the word generation from any dictionary which says "the human life expectancy". You can't do it because the word generation is never defined that way. You are conflating the word generation with life expectancy. Generations generally last 20 to 40 years and refer to the time period during which a certain generation of people were born. You try to say that "this generation" that Jesus referenced lasts 70 years. No, a generation is never 70 years in duration.

If you want to claim that people born during a certain generation live for an average of 70 years, that's one thing. But, to claim that "this generation" itself lasts for 70 years shows a lack of understanding of how long generations are. In the case of the baby boomer generation, that refers to the time period when people were born between 1946 and 1964. So, that generation was far less than 70 years. Generation X refers to the time period during which people were born between 1965 and 1980. Again, far less than 70 years. In your way of looking at things, the baby boomer generation and generation x are still going on today. No, the baby boomer generation ended in 1964 and generation x ended in 1980. Yes, many people born during those generations are still alive today, but that doesn't mean those generations are still going on today.

 

[rwb]

This is re-posting from another thread:

I don't believe the fig tree began budding in 1948. I believe the sign of the fig tree and all the trees beginning to show life began to come to pass when the message of the gospel of the Kingdom of God began to be preached first to the Jew and then to all the nations of the earth. When the message that was proclaimed through the power of the Holy Spirit is unfailing proof the gospel of Jesus Christ gave and gives eternal life to whosoever hears the message and believes! Life of the tree began small, but in time grew exponentially and will in the end produce eternal life in an innumerable multitude that no man can count.

The parable Christ spoke of the fig and all the trees is a parable pertaining to how the Kingdom of God in heaven shall grow as the gospel of Jesus Christ is preached. The proof of eternal life was immediate for those first Jews who heard the message and were born again of the Spirit of Christ. And the gospel preached continues still to give eternal life to Gentile & Jew alike as all who believe the message are born again.

Mark 4:30-32 (KJV) And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it? It is like a grain of mustard seed, which, when it is sown in the earth, is less than all the seeds that be in the earth: But when it is sown, it groweth up, and becometh greater than all herbs, and shooteth out great branches; so that the fowls of the air may lodge under the shadow of it.

Luke 13:18-19 (KJV) Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it? It is like a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and cast into his garden; and it grew, and waxed a great tree; and the fowls of the air lodged in the branches of it.

Revelation 7:9-10 (KJV) After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands; And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

When the first disciples of Christ understood how the gospel preached among first the Jews produced believers in Jesus Christ, it was proof of the beginning of eternal life because it is by grace through faith that mankind must both know and enter the Kingdom of God in heaven. A spiritual Kingdom that cannot be known or entered through physical flesh but only through the spirit of the one who is born again of the Spirit of Christ.

Luke 21:29-30 (KJV) And he spake to them a parable; Behold the fig tree, and all the trees; When they now shoot forth, ye see and know of your own selves that summer is now nigh at hand.

The spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven had come to man, that's why when Christ tells us "this generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled", He is not speaking of Christ's Second coming, but telling us we would know by the life produced that the unseen Kingdom of God in heaven has come to every generation beginning with the first generation and will not end until the last to be saved in the last generation has been eternally saved by knowing (see) and entering the Kingdom of God that is not now of this world.

Matthew 24:32-34 (KJV) Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

 

[The Light]

In the Matthew 24 and Mark 13 Chapters, known as Jesus' Olivet discourse, Lord Jesus Christ gave His servants seven main signs of the end of this world leading up to His future return and gathering of His faithful Church. He commanded... us, His faithful Church, to WATCH those signs and understand the parable of the fig tree.

The "parable of the fig tree" is about recognizing the final generation living on earth, the generation that will see all those SIGNS at the end to include Lord Jesus' coming in the clouds to gather His Church.

Matt 24:32-47
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

That symbolic fig tree Lord Jesus mentioned represents the nation Israel in the middle east.

The reason Jesus gave it as a "parable" is because the prophecies the parable represents follows the fig horticulture of that area of the middle east in Israel.

There are two harvest times for the fig in Israel. The first harvest is the breba, or early figs, and are harvested in the spring. The main fig harvest is towards the end of summer.

Per the above verse, Lord Jesus used the main harvest time, "summer", to represent the time of His future coming and gathering of His Church.

So when you see the fig tree sprout leaves, you know that symbolic "summer" harvest time is just around the corner. This idea of the fig tree in Israel sprouting leaves in prep for producing fruit is another symbol from fig horticulture that Lord Jesus used in His parable of the fig tree. What would that setting out of fig tree shoots be represented by in the last days? It involves the establishing of the nation of Israel again, in 1948 by U.N. Charter vote, and without a doubt caused by God's Hand. But only after the 1967 war did Israel control all of Jerusalem, and then returned the half which the U.N. Charter had setup for the Arabs in the beginning 1948 agreements.

How long is a generation? In Genesis 6:3, God then began to limit man's years to 120 years. To this day, it is very rare, but some live over 100 years. The average generation today is around 70 years. The difficulty with the parable is with establishing the start of the final generation on earth. I believe Lord Jesus caused that because He wants us to be 'watching' the signs of the end that He gave us in His Olivet discourse instead of playing around with numerology regarding how long one lives.

33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.

That idea, "all these things" Jesus points to are the signs of the end He gave in His Olivet discourse. The final generation on earth will 'see' all these things being fulfilled. That limits the timeframe when those signs occur. It puts them ALL... in the final generation living on earth. So when you hear doctrines of men trying to spread all those signs out to previous generations, then you know they have left Christ's parable of the fig tree.

35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but My words shall not pass away.

On that day when Lord Jesus returns, on the "day of the Lord", man's works upon the surface of this earth will be burned up by God's "consuming fire" (See 2 Peter 3:10 and Hebrews 12:25-29). The Heavenly dimension will be opened for all to see Christ coming in the clouds, even those representing the offspring of His murderers (Revelation 1, and 6th Seal of Revelation 6).

36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but My Father only.

No one except our Heavenly Father only, knows what day Lord Jesus will return.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Lord Jesus in the above pointed to how the times at the very end will be like the days of Noah, literally. The Daniel 2:43 verse suggests a group of angels coming to earth like they did in Noah's day, and mating with flesh woman. That verse says...

Dan 2:43
43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
KJV

Symbolic summer harvest is when Lord Jesus comes to gather His Church. But the false-Messiah that is to come first to Jerusalem and deceive the world into believing he is God, will come at time of the 'winter fig', which is the early fig harvested in the spring.

Rev 6:13
13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
KJV

That above event is about the future coming of the Antichrist/false-Messiah to Jerusalem to play God, along with his angels. They will be cast out of Heaven like "untimely figs", meaning the winter fig that grows early and is harvested in spring. That is part of our Lord Jesus' symbolic "parable of the fig tree". It is a warning to His elect with eyes to see, and ears to hear. Thus the true time of Jesus' harvest is at the end of summer, not spring.

(Continued...)

Might I congratulate you on the best post that I have seen you write. It's a near masterpiece. You brought in many details including the fact that the fig tree has two harvests.

What you are missing is that the two harvests represent the harvest of the Church and the harvest of the 12 tribes across the earth at the 6th seal. The fathers of the Israel were seen as the first ripe in the fig tree at her first time. This means that the fathers of Israel were seen as the first fruits of the first harvest. However, they are found as grapes in the wilderness and served Baalpeor. They are no longer the first harvest. The Gentiles become the first harvest.

Hosea 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

The spring and summer harvest are for the Gentiles and the fall is for the 12 tribes which is why there are 144,000 first fruits of the second harvest which occurs at the 6th seal.

Overall, an excellent post.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

What is your problem Davy? It seems that you are reacting to being called out for your own misappropriation of the Geek text in Matthew 24.

I have provided the Strong Definition for G:1074, "Genea" which suggests that "Genea" should be understood to have the meaning of an age.

Your latest charge is that I am in some way following the Jew's religion.

Now, I have pointed out that contextually we are both pointing to the same time frame at the end of the Seventh Age, but for some reason you are rejecting this similarity in our respective perspectives with respect to Mat 4:34 and the meaning of "Genes".

Sorry Davy, but you seem to have a dislike for me having a differing understanding to you and the scriptures. You have posted dis-information with respect to what I have posted. Is there a deeper reason for you generating this misinformation.

I will let the readers decide for themselves as to how they will receive our respective posts on this matter.

You are correct that the Greek word "genea" can refer to an age, but, of course, the word also has other definitions. In Matthew 24:3 when Jesus was asked about the sign of His coming and the end of the age, the Greek word "aion" is translated as "the age". So, if Jesus was referring to an age passing away in Matthew 24:34, why wouldn't the word "aion" have been used there instead of "genea"?

 

[The Light]

Douggg, why are you not addressing anything I said? Show me a definition of the word generation from any dictionary which says "the human life expectancy". You can't do it because the word generation is never defined that way. You are conflating the word generation with life expectancy. Generations generally last 20 to 40 years and refer to the time period during which a certain generation of people were born. You try to say that "this generation" that Jesus referenced lasts 70 years. No, a generation is never 70 years in duration.

If you want to claim that people born during a certain generation live for an average of 70 years, that's one thing. But, to claim that "this generation" itself lasts for 70 years shows a lack of understanding of how long generations are.

Psalms 90
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

 

[Jay Ross]

You are correct that the Greek word "genea" can refer to an age, but, of course, the word also has other definitions. In Matthew 24:3 when Jesus was asked about the sign of His coming and the end of the age, the Greek word "aion" is translated as "the age". So, if Jesus was referring to an age passing away in Matthew 24:34, why wouldn't the word "aion" have been used there instead of "genea"?

Yes and "Aion" can also mean world, or earth etc. and other definition.



I agree that G:0165 and G:1074 could be considered to be interchangeable, however there are contextual differences that suggest that this is not the option that the original authors even considered. From my observations it seems that you and Davy are rather chummy in your relationship.

 

[rebuilder 454]

I never said anything... about the wicked being raptured in Matthew 24, so you just told a huge LIE with that, intentionally slandering me with your trying to put false words in my mouth. You've been reported for that too.

Oh dear.
Call the police.
So egregious!!!!!.

Uh...postribs SAY THE ONES TAKEN IN MAT 24 ARE WICKED.
...A WICKED RAPTURE.
YOU GUYS INVENTED THAT.
GO SCREAM AT YOU WORKBOOK OF TALKING POINTS.

 

[rebuilder 454]

(Continued...)

Matt 24:40
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.

At the end of Luke 17:37, Lord Jesus revealed how He meant the above allegory of the one taken, and the other left behind. His disciples asked Him, "Where, Lord?" about those first ones taken.

Jesus said wheresoever the body is, that is where the eagles will be gathered together. In the Matthew 24:28 version in His Olivet discourse, He also referred to that, but instead of the word "body" in Luke 17, it is the word "carcase", which is the actual word in the Greek NT manuscripts.

Matt 24:28
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.
KJV

Wherever the dead "carcase" is, that's where the fowls will be gathered.

That was Lord Jesus' actual answer when His disciples asked Him where the first ones taken would be. Brethren in Christ, this means that men's doctrine about being the first one taken is a bogus doctrine that goes opposite of what Lord Jesus taught. Being left-behind is what those in Christ want, and it is about our duty to Jesus to make a 'stand' against the beast at the end, giving His Testimony against the beast for all the world to hear, because it will be The Holy Spirit speaking through His elect who will be delivered up to give that Witness (see the Mark 13 version especially about that).

Matt 24:43
But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

That idea of a "watch" is about time periods of the night divided up into three hour watches. This is where Apostles Paul and Peter got the idea of the "day of the Lord" shall come "as a thief in the night." (See 1 Thess.5 and 2 Peter 3:10). In Revelation 16:15 Lord Jesus repeats this timing, saying He comes "as a thief", and blessed are those who watch and keep their garments (of white), lest they walk naked and their shame is seen (those in shame will have fallen away to the false-Messiah, discovered at Jesus' return).

Thus a servant of Christ is to know... in what 'watch' the thief will try and break in. That's the metaphor Lord Jesus is using above. It means His servants are to be 'watching' those signs of the end He gave, and thus will know when the time for Lord Jesus' coming will be at the very doors. Lord Jesus was good to His servants who listen to Him about that, because He showed us through Apostle John in Revelation 11 that Lord Jesus comes on the final 7th Trumpet. And we'd know three and one half days just before that 7th Trumpet sounds!

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Again, how... do those in Christ become "ready" for Jesus' future coming? By watching those signs of the end leading up to His coming that He gave us. This is very, very important, because there are men's false doctrines that just tell their congregation to 'be ready', and not about actually watching these signs Lord Jesus gave us in His Olivet discourse leading up to His return. Some of them are even being lied to and told they are going to be raptured prior to all these signs happen, so they have no need to watch. Lord Jesus commanded... His to WATCH. And it is definitely about watching those signs He gave.

45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
KJV

Who will it be that Jesus will make ruler over all His goods at His return? It will be those who WATCH those signs He gave leading up to His future return, so as to not be deceived. Those who watch will know... in what watch the thief will try and break in and will be ready. Not the day or hour, but within those 3.5 days of Revelation 11.

What is that part above that Lord Jesus said of the wise servant assigned by Him over the household giving his household "meat in due season"? What's that "meat"? Recall in Hebrews 5 where Apostle Paul rebuked those believers because when the time had come when they should have become teachers on the "strong meat" of God's Word, they were still dwelling on the "milk" of God's Word.

Thus Lord Jesus was pointing to His faithful Christian servants, pastors, preachers, teachers, etc., giving the "strong meat" of His Word about these signs of the end, to their households, i.e., their congregations. How many Churches today do you think are doing that? What about your Church?

SUMMARY:
There is no doubt in my mind that we are now living in the final generation on earth. Today's generation will 'see' Christ's future coming. The signs of the end are speeding up. We can't know the day or hour, but we are given the 'season' by Lord Jesus' signs and His parable of the fig tree.

So, your depiction of the "wicked taken", (a wicked person pretrib rapture), is that half of earth's population, in your supposed wicked person rapture, since it says clearly half of a group are taken?

Half of earth's population is saved/half wicked?
Jesus was confused?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Psalms 90
10 The days of our years are threescore years and ten; and if by reason of strength they be fourscore years, yet is their strength labour and sorrow; for it is soon cut off, and we fly away.

Where does that say anything about the duration of a generation? Nowhere. Why do you guys try to change scripture to make it say what you want it to say? The duration of a generation is generally somewhere between 20 to 40 years, not 70 years. That verse is talking about the average human life span, not the duration of a generation.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

So, your depiction of the "wicked taken", (a wicked person pretrib rapture), is that half of earth's population, in your supposed wicked person rapture, since it says clearly half of a group are taken?

Half of earth's population is saved/half wicked?
Jesus was confused?

You have to be 100% lacking in spiritual discernment in order to think that Jesus was saying that literally half of the world's population would be taken and literally half of the world's populate left. Anyone with any discernment knows that Jesus was speaking generally there and not saying that literally half of the earth's population would be taken and literally half of the earth's population would be left. Please ask God for wisdom (James 1:5-7), so that you stop having these types of ludicrous interpretations of scripture.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Oh dear.
Call the police.
So egregious!!!!!.

Uh...postribs SAY THE ONES TAKEN IN MAT 24 ARE WICKED.

You are extremely ignorant and you constantly embarrass yourself on this forum. Do you never tire of that? I'm post-trib and I say that the ones taken will be those in the church who are taken up to meet the Lord in the air while those left behind are all killed just like those left out of the ark were all killed in Noah's day and those left behind in Sodom were all killed in Lot's day.

...A WICKED RAPTURE.
YOU GUYS INVENTED THAT.
GO SCREAM AT YOU WORKBOOK OF TALKING POINTS.

Is your Caps Lock key stuck?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes and "Aion" can also mean world, or earth etc. and other definition.

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I agree that G:0165 and G:1074 could be considered to be interchangeable, however there are contextual differences that suggest that this is not the option that the original authors even considered.

The word aion means age in Matthew 24:3. That should be clear, but it seems that nothing is clear to you. So, if Jesus was meaning to talk about the age passing away in Matthew 24:34 then the word "aion" would have been used instead of "genea". The "aion" will pass away at the same time the "genea" passes away, but the two words are not referring to the same thing.

From my observations it seems that you and Davy are rather chummy in your relationship.

LOL! Not only are you very lacking in discernment of scripture, you are very lacking in discernment about people. He and I are not chummy at all. I have refuted many of his false claims. Like you, even he is right about a few things, but we are far from chummy. LOL.

 

[Douggg]

In the case of the baby boomer generation, that refers to the time period when people were born between 1946 and 1964. So, that generation was far less than 70 years.

The baby boomer generation has not passed away yet.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The baby boomer generation has not passed away yet.

The people born during that time (1946 to 1964) haven't all passed away yet, but the time period of the baby boomer generation being born was 1946 to 1964, so that time period passed in 1964 and then Generation X started. We are obviously not talking from the same perspective here. I'm talking about a generation in terms of a time period and you're talking about it in terms of how long the people born during that generation/time period live. So, in my way of looking at it, the generation/time period lasted for a little less than 20 years. What you're saying is that some people born during that time are still alive, which is obviously the case. But, the bottom line is that your understanding of the fig tree parable is false since it has nothing to do with Jerusalem and Israel and your understanding of when "this generation" begins is false as well.

In case you're still not getting the point, look at this from blueletterbible.org in relation to the Greek word "genea" that is translated as "generation" in Matthew 24:34



Which of these definitions of the Greek word "genea", as used in Matthew 24:34, are you using? The third one? I'm using the fourth one. I think the second one is a valid possibility, also, and some people do believe it should be understood that way because of how "this generation" is referenced in Matthew 23:36.