Do you guys support Trump's war on Iran right now?

[Scott Downey]

Ok then so who is the God of this world?
Maybe Satan? He is also referred to as the prince of this world. So maybe its Satan that is being referred to as the God of this world in 2 Corinthians 4:4?

That is how I view that verse.
Even so God does also blind people to the gospel, as does Satan

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 11 - New King James Version

Israel’s Rejection Not Total - I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God...

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I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”

Bible Gateway passage: John 12 - New King James Version

The Anointing at Bethany - Then, six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus was who had been dead, whom He had raised from the dead. There they made Him a supper; and Martha served, but Lazarus was one of those who sat at the table with Him. Then Mary took a pound of very...

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37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:

“Lord, who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:

40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
Lest they should see with their eyes,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.”
41 These things Isaiah said [f]when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.

Walk in the Light​

42 Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

44 Then Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me. 45 And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me. 46 I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if anyone hears My words and does not [g]believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

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If you believe in Christ the Son of the Living God, you have truly been blessed by the Father.

 

[Armour of God]

Satan is referred to as the prince of the air.
Ephesians 2:2

Thanks. He is also referred to as the prince of this world by Jesus in John 12:31, 14:30, and 16:11 NIV.

 

[Armour of God]

That is how I view that verse.
Even so God does also blind people to the gospel, as does Satan

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 11 - New King James Version

Israel’s Rejection Not Total - I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God...

www.biblegateway.com

I say then, has God cast away His people? Certainly not! For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2 God has not cast away His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel, saying, 3 “Lord, they have killed Your prophets and torn down Your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life”? 4 But what does the divine response say to him? “I have reserved for Myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.” 5 Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. 6 And if by grace, then it is no longer of works; otherwise grace is no longer grace. [a]But if it is of works, it is no longer grace; otherwise work is no longer work.

7 What then? Israel has not obtained what it seeks; but the elect have obtained it, and the rest were blinded. 8 Just as it is written:

“God has given them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes that they should not see
And ears that they should not hear,
To this very day.”

Bible Gateway passage: John 12 - New King James Version

The Anointing at Bethany - Then, six days before the Passover, Jesus came to Bethany, where Lazarus was who had been dead, whom He had raised from the dead. There they made Him a supper; and Martha served, but Lazarus was one of those who sat at the table with Him. Then Mary took a pound of very...

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37 But although He had done so many signs before them, they did not believe in Him, 38 that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke:

“Lord, who has believed our report?
And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed?”
39 Therefore they could not believe, because Isaiah said again:

40 “He has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts,
Lest they should see with their eyes,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I should heal them.”
41 These things Isaiah said [f]when he saw His glory and spoke of Him.

Walk in the Light​

42 Nevertheless even among the rulers many believed in Him, but because of the Pharisees they did not confess Him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue; 43 for they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

44 Then Jesus cried out and said, “He who believes in Me, believes not in Me but in Him who sent Me. 45 And he who sees Me sees Him who sent Me. 46 I have come as a light into the world, that whoever believes in Me should not abide in darkness. 47 And if anyone hears My words and does not [g]believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world but to save the world. 48 He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him—the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day. 49 For I have not spoken on My own authority; but the Father who sent Me gave Me a command, what I should say and what I should speak. 50 And I know that His command is everlasting life. Therefore, whatever I speak, just as the Father has told Me, so I speak.”

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If you believe in Christ the Son of the Living God, you have truly been blessed by the Father.

Thanks for clearing that up.
I wish the guy I was speaking to would of just said that. Instead he just dropped some bible verses, refused to elaborate or answer my questions, leading me to an erroneous conclusion. Not a good way to communicate.
Thanks again and God bless

 

[Scott Downey]

Thanks for clearing that up.
I wish the guy I was speaking to would of just said that. Instead he just dropped some bible verses, refused to elaborate or answer my questions, leading me to an erroneous conclusion. Not a good way to communicate.
Thanks again and God bless

Bible Gateway passage: Psalm 19 - New King James Version

The Perfect Revelation of the Lord - To the Chief Musician. A Psalm of David. The heavens declare the glory of God; And the firmament shows His handiwork. Day unto day utters speech, And night unto night reveals knowledge. There is no speech nor language Where their voice is not heard. Their...

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7 The law of the Lord is perfect, [e]converting the soul;
The testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple;

8 The statutes of the Lord are right, rejoicing the heart;
The commandment of the Lord is pure, enlightening the eyes;

9 The fear of the Lord is clean, enduring forever;
The judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.

10 More to be desired are they than gold,
Yea, than much fine gold;
Sweeter also than honey and the [f]honeycomb.

11 Moreover by them Your servant is warned,
And in keeping them there is great reward.

 

[ProDeo]

Iran no, it’s high authorities, yes.

God created Good and Evil.

Each serves an intended Result.

Glory to God,
Taken

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

There is no room for exceptions what Paul is saying.

He is calling the cruel self divined Caesar cult instituted by God.

If that is true, the Roman Empire, responsible for the crucifixion of our Lord, murdering many of the twelve, according to Josephus murdering in AD70 one million Jews in Jerusalem than certainly (according to Paul) Iran also is instituted by God. As was Nazi Germany, etc.

Each to their own destiny, of course, but ordained by God.

Either reject it or take it at face value.

 

[Debp]

This is interesting. Liberals or Democrats not agreeing because they think President Trump made this statement (it was actually a statement made by Obama when he went to war against Libya for seven months).

 

[Button]

This is interesting. Liberals or Democrats not agreeing because they think President Trump made this statement (it was actually a statement made by Obama when he went to war against Libya for seven months).

Liberals! It's what's for dinner.

 

[n2thelight]

Your bio says you hail from Georgia but your question indicates you have no grasp of the American experiment, the Biblical justification the Founding Fathers used to justify Independence from Britain.

For some agenda related reason, you are conflating our need for government, in general, from foolish loyalty to a form that doesn’t meet those needs. A Muslim Apologist? Compare to food. Realizing some food doesn’t meet all your nutritional needs is no reason to abandon all food; it’s a reason to change to forms of food that meet what they body requires.

One question before I reply. Do you support the state of Israel?

 

[Armour of God]

How about a bit of humour on the topic just to lighten things up a bit...

 

[ProDeo]

Well....I am concerned how elected officials (Trump anf family) are padding the family wallets through government deals.

But I guess that's all fine to you because as was mentioned: No to Trump is No to God.
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Worse, it is suggested by @Button No to Trump is blasphemy.

Go figure.

 

[Armour of God]

I love these puppets they crack me up

 

[n2thelight]

Your bio says you hail from Georgia but your question indicates you have no grasp of the American experiment, the Biblical justification the Founding Fathers used to justify Independence from Britain.

For some agenda related reason, you are conflating our need for government, in general, from foolish loyalty to a form that doesn’t meet those needs. A Muslim Apologist? Compare to food. Realizing some food doesn’t meet all your nutritional needs is no reason to abandon all food; it’s a reason to change to forms of food that meet what they body requires.

And what was the justification for the slaughter of the natives, and slavery of the tribe of Judah?

 

[Wrangler]

One question before I reply. Do you support the state of Israel?

Yes. Not sure what that has to do with the topic at hand.

And what was the justification for the slaughter of the natives, and slavery of the tribe of Judah?

Another deflection. What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? You keep hoping to conflate unrelated matters.

 

[Taken]

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

There is no room for exceptions what Paul is saying.

He is calling the cruel self divined Caesar cult instituted by God.

If that is true, the Roman Empire, responsible for the crucifixion of our Lord, murdering many of the twelve, according to Josephus murdering in AD70 one million Jews in Jerusalem than certainly (according to Paul) Iran also is instituted by God. As was Nazi Germany, etc.

Each to their own destiny, of course, but ordained by God.

Either reject it or take it at face value.

I am not Rejecting what I already Agreed with.

 

[Behold]

Its a false analysis that claims that Trump is at war with Iran.

The Fact is, Islam is at war with anything that isn't Islam, and Iran is the cornerstone of this worldwide JIhad against Chrisitanity.

So, its GOD who is against Iran's Leadership and against Iran's false Prophet and fake bible and fasle religion.

God is causing what we are seeing happen in the Middle East and MORE IS ON THE WAY.

 

[ProDeo]

I am not Rejecting what I already Agreed with.

Sure.

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

I can't believe the good Lord gives His approval to evil regimes such as Iran, or neither in Paul's case the evil Roman Empire (who eventually murdered him) and that we are supposed to obey them in their evil ways. During WW2 many Dutch were hiding Jews and thus in opposition with Romans 13:1 and what it teaches, obey the Nazi's. This is deeply troubling.

Then at times the Nazi's held "razzias", they closed an area of hundreds of houses and went from door to door, "do you have Jews?". And the Dutch who did hide Jews lied for their own good else their reward was also Zyklon B. Following Romans 13:1 it would have been their own fault. -- Rom 13:4 for he (The Nazis, Iran) is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he (The Nazis, Iran) does not bear the sword in vain. For he (The Nazis, Iran) is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.

I can't believe Paul wrote this. Romans 13:1-7 is either doctored by lying pen of scribes (Jer 8:8) responsible for copying the manuscripts, or completely invented, I believe the latter to be true if you look at the context, to begin in Roman12 -

Rom 12:9 Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good.
Rom 12:10 Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor.
Rom 12:11 Do not be slothful in zeal, be fervent in spirit, serve the Lord.
Rom 12:12 Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer.
Rom 12:13 Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality.
Rom 12:14 Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them.
Rom 12:15 Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep.
Rom 12:16 Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight.
Rom 12:17 Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all.
Rom 12:18 If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.
Rom 12:19 Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, “Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.”
Rom 12:20 To the contrary, “if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.”
Rom 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

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Rom 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
Rom 13:11 Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed.
Rom 13:12 The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light.
Rom 13:13 Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy.
Rom 13:14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.

Fits seamlessly.

And BTW Romans 13:1 is in opposition with --

Hos 8:4 They made kings, but not through me. They set up princes, but I knew it not. With their silver and gold they made idols for their own destruction.

 

[Triumph1300]

God is causing what we are seeing happen in the Middle East and MORE IS ON THE WAY.

Oh...so, God is behind all the killings such as children in schools, bombed hospitals, etc.
What kind of twisted religion are you following?
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You sound like a radical violent muslim.
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Here is what God is doing according to poster BEHOLD:


In the past few hours, the Middle East lurched from horrific to economically catastrophic.

Oil surged back above $100 a barrel as tanker attacks, terminal shutdowns, and the choking of the Strait of Hormuz turned what the administration keeps trying to sell as a clean show of force into exactly what critics warned it would become: a regional war with global consequences. Iraq shut oil terminals after tanker strikes near Basra.

Oman closed a key export terminal for security reasons. Gulf infrastructure is under direct threat. European gas prices are jumping.

Airlines are hiking fuel surcharges.

Governments are already scrambling to shield consumers.

"No to Trump is like saying No to God."
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Have a great day!!!

 

[Taken]

Sure.

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.

I can't believe the good Lord gives His approval to evil regimes such as Iran, or neither in Paul's case the evil Roman Empire (who eventually murdered him) and that we are supposed to obey them in their evil ways.

It is deeper.
God is Just.
They who reject God, or facilitate an authority that rejects God…
God allows such FREEWILL choices and allows the wicked to govern over them.

The people may like it, or disapprove and revolt, or leave.

 

[NayborBear]

Its a false analysis that claims that Trump is at war with Iran.

The Fact is, Islam is at war with anything that isn't Islam, and Iran is the cornerstone of this worldwide JIhad against Chrisitanity.

So, its GOD who is against Iran's Leadership and against Iran's false Prophet and fake bible and fasle religion.

God is causing what we are seeing happen in the Middle East and MORE IS ON THE WAY.

Shhh! Don't tell churchianitists this! Because they'd never believe that God would allow satan to inject such hindrances into their "love feasts!"
Especially since the "peeling of the onion" prophecy is coming to pass!
2 Thessalonians 2:4
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.

 

[Triumph1300]

As households and businesses absorb the economic shock, the Kremlin is raking in oil money and Ukraine is left to pay the real price...........​