Michael King to be executed in Florida for 2008 abduction, rape, murder of young mother on March 17

[Button]

Again I said nothing bad about America.
So enough with your lies

Deflection. I'm not the liar. Or the coward.
Enough with your pretension.

 

[Armour of God]

Deflection. I'm not the liar. Or the coward.
Enough with your pretension.

I see why you feel that Im attacking America.
I had a look and found that American states are the only western nation that still engages in this barbaric treatment.
It's not an attack on America, it's just a fact

 

[Armour of God]

Fact
There are about 200 countries in the world.
About 25 countries still have capital punishment.

China, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Pakistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Vietnam, North Korea, Singapore, Indonesia, Yemen, Afghanistan, Kuwait, Oman, Syria, Somalia, Egypt, Nigeria, Kenya, South Sudan, Sudan, DR Congo, Belarus, USA (some states)

Most of those nations that join the states on that list are fairly screwed up countries anyway. It's only 88% of the world's countries. It's good to know that nearly every country on earth has good moral values in regard to executing people including all the western countries apart from the USA

 

[Marvelloustime]

what starts with an H and ends with an N . HIS KINGDOM IS HEAVENLY
Dont ya find it odd that many have tried to make it earthen and tied it into THEIR POLTIICS
and THEIR etc .
And yet upon simple examination OF BOTH Sides politics and men , OH DEAR MUCH ERROR IS SEEN .
And people wonder why a document was written long long ago
that said GOVT will not ESTABLISH any religoin . LOOK at what the RCC did
and then later , YES EVEN the protestants did too . BIG MESSAGE , SOMETHING HUGE to be learned
DONT NEVER MIX the EARTHEN and THE HEAVENLY
cause all you really get is , THE EARTHEN ON S TEROIDS and folks believing they do the will of GOD
and oh yeah those who dont conform , PERSEUCTIONS and even death .
WE better all watch out . SOMETHING VERY WICKED COMETH and this one world ecuemincal WHORE of all harlots
IS GONNA KILL AGAIN and USE GOVERMENTS TO DO SO . man there aint anything new under that ol sun .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

Ye will not hear THE TRUTH from the right or the left .
And it will not be heard from the ecumenical realm by which both sides have been heavily infected .
I suggest for all to open again the bible and to learn for themselves what many now twist unto their own destruction .
TIME for the TRUTH test . To test all against THEM HOLY WORDS . cause we got twisters all over the place .

@amigo de christo

 

[Wrangler]

Besides judging God as barbaric,given capital punishment is in the Bible.

I'm going to start a separate thread on this topic.

I never said God was barbaric nor am I condemning America
Enough with your lies.

I'm afraid I agree with @Button. You may not have explicitly condemned God or the Bible but that is certainly implied - and repeatedly so.

Again I said nothing bad about America.

I had a look and found that American states are the only western nation that still engages in this barbaric treatment.

88% of the world's countries. It's good to know that nearly every country on earth has good moral values in regard to executing people including all the western countries apart from the USA

You didn't judge God, condemn America or say anything bad about America? It's only America lacks good moral values AND what God commands is barbaric! Most people recognize these words as condemning and judging.

 

[Armour of God]

I'm going to start a separate thread on this topic.

I'm afraid I agree with @Button. You may not have explicitly condemned God or the Bible but that is certainly implied - and repeatedly so.





You didn't judge God, condemn America or say anything bad about America? It's only America lacks good moral values AND what God commands is barbaric! Most people recognize these words as condemning and judging.

Start a thread with a poll I'm interested to see. I personally don't agree with the death penalty

 

[Lizbeth]

Gods judgement is righteous.
Man's judgement can be flawed.

Death penalty achieves nothing that imprisonment already does. Your taxes are not changing because of that.

You would have an argument if the justice system was perfect. But it's not perfect, it's prone to corruption and error which makes your argument fall apart

I understand where you're coming from, because I used to think the same. But I think we can expect that the more blessed a society is the more fairness and justice there will be. Corruption and incompetence are curses that come upon sinful societies, probably to the degree that they are sinful, I believe.

But just think brother, it is the Lord who instituted Laws........I came to understand what it means and why the bible says ".Law was added because of transgression (sin/crime)"...it was God's wisdom and actually a mercy and blessing upon His people to deter and avoid unbridled anarchism and victimization and chaos in a fallen sinful world, and to teach them right from wrong. I'm sure as believers we are not in favour of anarchism.

Rom 13:1-5

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

But again, the making of Laws and enforcing of them is not the church's mandate.....it is the mandate of government. The two need to remain separate. We are not to mix the holy with the profane/common. And history has shown what the mixing of church and state results in.....an unholy concoction.

 

[Wrangler]

We are not to mix the holy with the profane/common.

My pastor once said that nothing is secular.

The two need to remain separate.

Impossible. Like separating two sides of a coin. IMO, the 1A prohibiting a State sponsored religion has become corrupted to have no religious influence. It makes on wonder, one what other basis are decisions made? Worldly philosophy can never take the place of the wisdom of God. Colossians 2:8

 

[amigo de christo]

I understand where you're coming from, because I used to think the same. But I think we can expect that the more blessed a society is the more fairness and justice there will be. Corruption and incompetence are curses that come upon sinful societies, probably to the degree that they are sinful, I believe.

But just think brother, it is the Lord who instituted Laws........I came to understand what it means and why the bible says ".Law was added because of transgression (sin/crime)"...it was God's wisdom and actually a mercy and blessing upon His people to deter and avoid unbridled anarchism and victimization and chaos in a fallen sinful world, and to teach them right from wrong. I'm sure as believers we are not in favour of anarchism.

Rom 13:1-5

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.

Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.

For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.

But again, the making of Laws and enforcing of them is not the church's mandate.....it is the mandate of government. The two need to remain separate. We are not to mix the holy with the profane/common. And history has shown what the mixing of church and state results in.....an unholy concoction.

The two sure do need to remain separate . Very good my dear sister .
The govts gonna do and the nations are gonna do as men do .
As for us
We gonna do as JESUS said to do and we shall not try and blend the TWO . cause your right
A very unholy connection that one is .
From the days wherein the RCC did this
to the days where later the protestants would do so
The only thing i have seen come from the merger of the two
IS kingdom ON STEROIDS that while it beleives it DO the will of GOD
sure will HAMMER all who conform not to its ways .
And always this kingdom conforms to the earthen .
Soon enough we will see this in final climatic peak
as the world state religoin of inclusivism ecumeincalsim becomes the law .
On that day ALL that conform not
WILL again be hunted , persecuted to the ends of the earth .
WHEN man do as man do and try and blend the two , ALWAYS COMPROMISE IS MADE
and always in time BLOODSHED and PERSECUTIONS against the non conformed WILL arise and begin .
AND as always the church will use the state to PERSECUTE her enemies . NOT GOOD .

 

[amigo de christo]

My pastor once said that nothing is secular.


Impossible. Like separating two sides of a coin. IMO, the 1A prohibiting a State sponsored religion has become corrupted to have no religious influence. It makes on wonder, one what other basis are decisions made? Worldly philosophy can never take the place of the wisdom of God. Colossians 2:8

I did see them do this . They did use that phrase OUT OF TEXT to do all to silence
the influence of TRUTH of the gospel and etc .
But what most in our ecumencial camp dont realize is
They are joining hands as one WITH A STATE SPONSORED RELIGOIN known as INCLUSIVISM .
SO the liberal progressive who used the phrase out of text
HAS REALLY BEEN DOING the very THING of creating a WORLD STATE SPONSPORED RELIGOIN .
And our ecumeincal intefaithers HAVE NO IDEA THEY ARE RUNNING RIGHT INTO IT .
And that INDEED TRUTH , the very gospel WILL BE SILENCED
by what they BELIEVE will bring the religoins peace and protection as well as a world of peace n safety .
IOW , or in other w ords , WE BEING DUPED BY BOTH SIDES .
AND oh yeah we cannot BLEND THE TWO KINGDOMS . T IME for JESUS preaching
and TIME for some corrections of sins and errors WITHIN what remains of the churches .
Time to pull every living creature OUT of ecumeincism and her cry of anti c hrist interfaith .
CAUSE ANTI CHRIST is exactly who her peace IS LEADING ALL TOO . Just a friendly reminder
my friend .

 

[Lizbeth]

My pastor once said that nothing is secular.

Well God's word says differently. The Lord says we are to differentiate between the holy and the common/profane and keep them separate.

 

[Wrangler]

Well God's word says differently. The Lord says we are to differentiate between the holy and the common/profane and keep them separate.

Oh, what verse says that?

 

[amigo de christo]

Well God's word says differently. The Lord says we are to differentiate between the holy and the common/profane and keep them separate.

you cannot sit at the tab le of Christ and of belial
Light has NOTHING in common with darkness .
We are to PUT a difference between the holy and the unholy .
Yes indeed dear sister .
And one more big big warning for us all to remember
Which is this , namely this ,
CURSED IS THE MAN WHOSE HOPE Be in man and makes FLESH his strength .
OH
BUT BLESSED is the man WHOSE HOPE BE IN THE LORD GOD ALL MIGHTY . for as you KNOW
we cannot BLEND . T ruth cannot be blended with lies
The heavenly cannot be blended with Earthen .
And always when man does blend , out of darkness arises only greater darkness .
And no marvel either sister .
IF Even satan can appear as an angel of LIGHT
marvel not if his minstirs can appear in wool and lead this people to the day of their own destruction .
MUCH Like king ahab was BY ALL THEM FALSE PROPHETS .
For they all propheised A delusion from a LYING SPIRIT that was sent
to convince the king HE would have the victory , But alas it was only to convince him to go up
AND MEET THE DAY OF HIS OWN DESTRUCTION .
SOUNDS JUST LIKE what been going on in this huge ecumenical pope led nar real m led
LETS all be as one intefaith lie . We all serve the same GOD LIE and that all religoins must now unite as one
FOR this is the way we shall at tain world PEACE N SAFETY .
ONLY SEEING by means of attaining this peace merger , JESUS HAS BEEN DENIED and false religoins accepted as valid .
I WOULD SAY rather , it wont be peace n safety , BUT just like ahab , THE DAY OF THEIR OWN SUDDEN
destruction . LEt he or she who has ears to hear and eyes to see ,
COME NOWHERE NEAR ITS TABLE of ECUMEINCALISM , for a dirty vomit filled table that one truly is .

 

[Taken]

Gods judgement is righteous.

God REQUIRES the (Blood Life) of every human to become DEAD.

God HAS and SHALL Again send down from Heaven Horrific Judgements upon the whole World and its inhabitants.

God has Directed men TO KILL humans.

You are the only one who has called a man KILLING a human, barbaric.

God Rightly Judges the Innocent, where corruption by man has occurred.

Man's judgement can be flawed.

Mans Judgement can be flawed, no dispute.
Man Judges on Testimony.
Man accepts “so called EXPERT” Testimony.
Men LIE openly AND under Oath, regardless of their POSITION… of Power.

Death penalty achieves nothing

The DEATH Penalty from God IS Already A mandatory Sentence Required For every Human Being.

that imprisonment already does.

Imprisonment is invoked to separate one from society, reform them of their behavior, (by offering educational classes, reading materials, work opportunities, limited guarded social interactions, entertainment, tv, radio, dinner with other inmates, buying food to keep in their cell, internet, phone out calls, outdoor activities AND religious services and release them.)

Life imprisonment, is extremely limited.
Virtually no interaction with other inmates, in cell 24 hours a day, no tv, radio, internet, phone calls out. Typically 15 mins outside in caged area 1-2 times a week, shower 15 min 3 times a week, no work opportunity, eat delivered plate of food in cell, no cell mates.
Limited interaction with guards.
Very Occasional interaction with Attorney, Clergy, Medical, Family.

Day after day…5-10-15-20-30-40-50 YEARS!

Your taxes are not changing because of that.

Hogwash… Taxes of the Working society… foot the COST of Every prisoners provisions, buildings and guards and Welfare Recipients and Employees who manage that system…
BILLIONS upon BILLIONS of dollars out of a Providers Pocket (who provides for his own)…to forcefully CARE FOR They who DID NOT, DO NOT provide for their own.

What DO YOU think God Shall DO with infidels and they who do not care for their own?
1) Welcome them into His Kingdom?
2) Kill them and Forget them?

Seems, you are unaware…
The answer is # 2.

You would have an argument if the justice system was perfect. But it's not perfect, it's prone to corruption and error which makes your argument fall apart

Certainly there are two sides of a disagreement…

I stand by my position, you stand by your position.
You think your position is with merit, and my position is without merit, because you “say-so”.
That is an irrelevant opinion.

The matter… for each position INVOLVES…
The “out of pocket Burden” of WHO should Provide the Funds to Care For those who Did Not, Do Not provide for themselves…

There is a Solution, whereby, your position and my position… can be resolved without Either position being in conflict.

My retort is… You should Pledge to Provide For they You Advocate a Willingness to PAY For their needs.

Why should YOU think yourself Qualified to Decide How “I” should Also “Pay” For what “you advocate FOR, “which I do Not”?

You want every prisoner given a death sentence, to be remanded to a Life Sentence… step up… get in contact with your Government Rep and lay out a plan whereby Every working man in agreement with YOU Will Pledge to PAY for all Costs and needs For prisoners, and Remanded, sentenced to Life.

There YOU get what YOU Advocate…
Without sticking your hands in MY pocket.
Fair AND Godly Just!

Edit…
Wait… you are not a US Citizen… Having Zero say in US Laws, or A US citizens Personal Money, or Taxation.

 

[Lizbeth]

Oh, what verse says that?

Here it is:

Eze 22:26
Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

Eze 44:23
And they shall teach my people the difference between the holy and profane, and cause them to discern between the unclean and the clean.

That is God's wisdom and truth. Mixing clean with unclean renders the clean unclean. Mixing holy with profane renders the holy profane. When God says in a few places to "come out of her my people and touch not the unclean thing"....He is talking about coming out of that which is a mixture of holy and profane/clean and unclean. Churches gone wrong.

From what I understand the founding fathers of America understood the wisdom and necessity of keeping church and state separate. A church body that is joined at the hip with the political/governing body is in a condition of spiritual adultery...as per Mystery Babylon. It is being in bed with the world. (That doesn't mean believers as individuals can't be employed by government but they need to understand and distinguish in their mind and heart what is simply a practical thing as opposed to spiritual/heavenly.)

 

[Wrangler]

Here it is:

Eze 22:26
Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

This verse separates the holy with the profane (or unholy), not secular from holy. That there is nothing secular is shown in

Philippians 4:6-7

New Living Translation

​

6 Don’t worry about anything; instead, pray about everything. Tell God what you need, and thank him for all he has done. 7 Then you will experience God’s peace, which exceeds anything we can understand. His peace will guard your hearts and minds as you live in Christ Jesus.

 

[Wrangler]

From what I understand the founding fathers of America understood the wisdom and necessity of keeping church and state separate.

That is a false understanding. "Separation of church and state" is not in the Constitution. Several of the former colonies has established certain denominations as State sponsored. To prevent the States from trying to impose any denomination as being State sponsored, they passed the 1A.

 

[Taken]

Again I said nothing bad about America.
So enough with your lies

In historical days, under the king of England, Englands’ kingdom, Territories, Colonies….
Theft… (regardless of item stolen)…
Was A DEATH sentence.

Jailing, and providing for the imprisoned, WAS as astronomical burden of the government…and the kings wealth, was supported by the Barrons…

The Barrons came up with a solution, and the king announced and set in motion the Solution…
Remand the death sentenced prisoners to continue living…
Ship them off to remote Colonies, Territories, with no provisions, and let them figure out How to provide their own needs.

Hundreds of (prisoner cargo) ships sailed from England to America and Australia…dumping their human cargo.

Englands’ “problem of over crowed costly prisoners” (temporarily solved).

 

[Lizbeth]

That is a false understanding. "Separation of church and state" is not in the Constitution. Several of the former colonies has established certain denominations as State sponsored. To prevent the States from trying to impose any denomination as being State sponsored, they passed the 1A.

So perhaps that 1A was an attempt to keep church and state separate....? I don't know your system very well. Does freedom of religion keep church and state separate? In any case, regardless of your constution and founding fathers etc.........we have the word of God.