Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Davy]

My, my my. You sure used a lot of sticky tape to prop up your strawman, but it still keeps collapsing because it's foundation is dung.

Words without knowledge, is all you are spatting.

 

[Davy]

About the blue I highlighted in your text, I agree Ezekiel 28 is about the devil falling from grace. Perhaps you can elaborate about "a previous world", as far as I am concerned I always believed the fall of the devil happened in the heavenly places where God resides, not on a world.

Too big a subject to cover well enough here; I don't want to get too far from this Thread's subject.

Below is a YouTube link to British pastor Derek Prince's ministry (died in 2003). Many Bible scholars and pastors are Old Earth Creationists (OEC) vs. New Earth Creationists (NEC). I agree with an old creation, and that the earth's fossil record is true and proves it, and that God's Word actually confirms it, (in the Hebrew mainly).

Here's an example of the earth already existing when Lucifer first rebelled and fell. In Revelation 12:3-4, we are shown a beast system that had ten horns, seven heads, but only "seven crowns." And it is linked with the time of that "red dragon" (Satan) drawing one third of the angels ("stars") to earth with his tail. That confirms that passage in Revelation 12:3-4 beast is not... the same beast system revealed in the next Chapter of Revelation 13:1 that is to have "ten crowns".

That beast system of Rev.13:1 coming out of the "sea" Jesus defines those waters in Rev.17:15 as "peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues." What does this mean for that beast system mentioned back in Revelation 12:3-4 that had only "seven crowns", and linked with the time when that "dragon" (Satan) drew a third of the stars to earth? It means there were nations and peoples upon the ancient earth back when Lucifer first rebelled and fell. And do recall Genesis 2 shows us that God's Abode was originally upon this ancient earth, and removed His Abode to behind an invisible veil once Adam and Eve sinned. Thus Heaven back then was here, upon this earth. That is why Heaven is going to return here in the future with God and the New Jerusalem, and His River of the Waters of Life, and Tree of Life, which are literal things that exist wherever God is.

In both parables God gives in Ezekiel 28, and Isaiah 14, and even Ezekiel 31, about Lucifer in that 'old world' before Adam, the idea of nations existing is written of for that time, but in passing very quickly, easy to just miss and read over for those who are not aware.

IMPORTANT: that previous world earth age, there was no flesh man. Flesh man began with Adam, so some who immediately think a previous world means an extension of today's same type of world are mistaken, and do not understand how that old world was a time of angels going back and forth between Heaven and earth. We are shown Biblical examples of angels being able to live upon this earth in our present world time, so that's important to realize, because that is the kind future state we will live in upon the future new heavens and a new earth with our "spiritual body". God through Isaiah says we will build houses, plant vineyards, and the meek shall inherit the earth.

 

[TazzJazz]

Your ignorance of the truth of the gospel, is astounding. Gods Word describes your kind in the following,

1 John 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

So there you have it, the Lord Jesus revealed that you have the spirit of antichrist. I will pray for you, if you'd like to give me your name.

Whoever denies that the Lord Jesus is the Almighty Creator God, who created everything that exists for Himself and His glory, is of the antichrist.

I'd suggest you find a faithful teacher who can teach you the basics, before you go and make blasphemous statements. I don't have the time to teach you, but just a quick point in closing for your edification. The Lord Jesus is fully God and fully man. He has two natures, He has His divine nature and His human nature. That should be a starting ponit for you to study.

My cousin, why are you so antagonistic?

My "ignorance"? My "kind"? I "have the spirit of [an] antichrist"?

You paint with broad strokes, making wild accusations.
On top of this, you didn't answer my questions.

 

[Aunty Jane]

OK, so now I know who I'm speaking to. You are exactly the same as Satan, God said "you shall surely die" and Satan said "you shall not surely die" God revealed Himself as the Triune God, "Father Son and Holy Spirit" but you respond in the same way as your Father Satan, by saying "there is no Holy Trinity".

Unless you repent of this evil lie, you will spend eternity screaming in the lake of fire.

O good grief! Another hellfire and brimstone promoter!.....What kind of God would torture people in a fire for all eternity, because of sin that wasn’t even their fault in the first place? Where is the justice? It is one of God’s cardinal qualities. That is an insult to him. (Jer 7:30-31) It is not in his nature to carry out injustice.

Learn what “Gehenna” meant to a Jew.....there is no “hell” of screaming in the lake of fire.

I'm not interested in your private personal opinions about anything. Why would I reject what God has said and make Him a liar, in order to follow you and your Demonic doctrines.

Is anyone interested in your own private personal opinions ?

Just as I suspected...when your beliefs are examined under the microscope of Scripture...you have no defence.....not a single point was addressed.....do you know why you have no defence to support your view.....because they don’t originate in Scripture....as I explained every passage you supplied, but you have no response except to attack me.....that speaks volumes.

I'm not interested in your private version of what the "beginning" means in the Bible. You haven't referred to any scripture to support your foolish interpretation. So, either find a scripture that support you or just admit you're deluded.

Wow....how could I have explained things any more succinctly. Read my replies again and see what other readers here are reading.....all they see from you is perhaps what you replied to someone else who disagreed with you.....
“That's right, the truth silences fools, your lies have been exposed, so run along now”.
Is it time for you to “run along” now?

Which Jesus are you talking about in Rev 3:14 are you referring to the Almighty Creator Lord Jesus Jehovah God, or are you talking about the baby Jesus, who was born in a manger (animal stable).

Are you serious? Can you show me one single verse that calls Jesus...”the Almighty Creator Lord Jesus Jehovah God”....not in a single verse in all of Scripture is Jesus called by that designation...as a Jew, he believed what Deut 6:4 clearly stated....
“Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah”. (ASV) Not from the NWT.

And here is Paul, speaking on behalf of all the other apostles.....

“For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many; yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.” (1 Cor 8:5-6 ASV)

Were the apostles in any doubt about who was their “one God”, and who was their Lord”?

Perhaps some careful Bible study is needed?.....the Bibel itself is making a fool of you.

The problem with your private deluded opinion is, you don't know how to rightly divide the Word of God because you don't have the gift of discernment, which is only given to Gods elect.

Rev 3:14 is Jesus speaking...as the angel is relating what Jesus related to him, as a judgment against the seven congregations.

He says to the congregation in Laodicea...
“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation.” (ESV)

“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God”. (KJV)

“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write:These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God”. (ASV)

Jesus is the “Amen” and ”the faithful and true Witness” of his God and Father. (2 Cor 1:20; Rev 19:11)

Whose “delusion” are you promoting?

 

[TazzJazz]

Unless you repent of this evil lie, you will spend eternity screaming in the lake of fire.

Hey, you should meet @Jack !

 

[Christian Soldier]

Words without knowledge, is all you are spatting.

That's what you can expect when you push demonic doctrines, and then refuse to accept correction. Quite sad really

 

[Christian Soldier]

My cousin, why are you so antagonistic?

My "ignorance"? My "kind"? I "have the spirit of [an] antichrist"?

You paint with broad strokes, making wild accusations.
On top of this, you didn't answer my questions.

I defend the truth, you obviously hate the truth so that's why you're accusing me of being antagonistic.

Yes, according to God you have the spirit of Antichrist. I have already shown you the proof.

Yes I expose liars like you, by shining the light of scripture on your lies. I did answer your question, but it went straight over the top of your head because you reject the truth of the Gospel.

Once more for the dummies; "the Lord Jesus is fully God and fully man. He has a human nature and a divine nature. He came to the world as a normal baby and didn't use His divine powers to cheat His way out of suffering or crying.

He prayed as a man, with a human nature. Your problem is you claim that God is a liar, so how am I supposed to witness to you whaen you don't even believe in God???????????????

 

[Christian Soldier]

O good grief! Another hellfire and brimstone promoter!.....What kind of God would torture people in a fire for all eternity, because of sin that wasn’t even their fault in the first place? Where is the justice? It is one of God’s cardinal qualities. That is an insult to him. (Jer 7:30-31) It is not in his nature to carry out injustice.

Learn what “Gehenna” meant to a Jew.....there is no “hell” of screaming in the lake of fire.

Is anyone interested in your own private personal opinions ?

Just as I suspected...when your beliefs are examined under the microscope of Scripture...you have no defence.....not a single point was addressed.....do you know why you have no defence to support your view.....because they don’t originate in Scripture....as I explained every passage you supplied, but you have no response except to attack me.....that speaks volumes.

Wow....how could I have explained things any more succinctly. Read my replies again and see what other readers here are reading.....all they see from you is perhaps what you replied to someone else who disagreed with you.....
“That's right, the truth silences fools, your lies have been exposed, so run along now”.
Is it time for you to “run along” now?

Are you serious? Can you show me one single verse that calls Jesus...”the Almighty Creator Lord Jesus Jehovah God”....not in a single verse in all of Scripture is Jesus called by that designation...as a Jew, he believed what Deut 6:4 clearly stated....
“Hear, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah”. (ASV) Not from the NWT.

And here is Paul, speaking on behalf of all the other apostles.....

“For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or on earth; as there are gods many, and lords many; yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we unto him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we through him.” (1 Cor 8:5-6 ASV)

Were the apostles in any doubt about who was their “one God”, and who was their Lord”?

Perhaps some careful Bible study is needed?.....the Bibel itself is making a fool of you.


Rev 3:14 is Jesus speaking...as the angel is relating what Jesus related to him, as a judgment against the seven congregations.

He says to the congregation in Laodicea...
“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write: ‘The words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of God's creation.” (ESV)

“And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God”. (KJV)

“And to the angel of the church in Laodicea write:These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God”. (ASV)

Jesus is the “Amen” and ”the faithful and true Witness” of his God and Father. (2 Cor 1:20; Rev 19:11)

Whose “delusion” are you promoting?

I know you Cult rejects everything God has said, including the doctrine of hell. I can undo all the brainwashing you Cult Leaders have inflicted upon you. I don't have the power to break Satan's spell, only the LORD can do that, you know the One that exists in three separate Persons, "Father, Son and Holy Spirit", that's the constitution of the Triune Godhead.

You don't believe this because Satan has blinded you and sealed you for the lake of fire, so He's got you going there with Him.

You don't believe what the Bible says, but you do believe the perverted interpretation, which comes from the pits of hell. Satan always has a counterfeit interpretation for every verse of the bible, you have taken his bait hook, line and sinker.

I read your replies and your so called defence of your demonic doctrines by quoting scripture. The only problem with it is, you plucked verses of scripture out of their intended context, then twisted them to make them say something other than what there are saying, then you force them into you perverted narrative.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Hey, you should meet @Jack !

You'll find out that there's nothing funny about the lake of fire. You can laugh now, but you're looking at trillions and trillions and endless trillions of years screaming while swimming in a red hot lake of lava with no banks to climb out from.

 

[Aunty Jane]

You'll find out that there's nothing funny about the lake of fire. You can laugh now, but you're looking at trillions and trillions and endless trillions of years screaming while swimming in a red hot lake of lava with no banks to climb out from.

What is sad is that you relish an idea that God finds repugnant....who wants to paint God as a sadistic fiend?

There is no “hell”.....it’s a satanic lie....but you apparently love the idea....says a lot about you really....

 

[TazzJazz]

You'll find out that there's nothing funny about the lake of fire. You can laugh now, but you're looking at trillions and trillions and endless trillions of years screaming while swimming in a red hot lake of lava with no banks to climb out from.

Romans 6:23, eternal life is a "gift". No torment involved. You've been misled by false religion's lies.
"Get out of her, My people!" - Rev. 18;4

if you think the fire is literal, then tell me: Why is death cast into it? Revelation 20:13,14

 

[Davy]

That's what you can expect when you push demonic doctrines, and then refuse to accept correction. Quite sad really

You are definitely full of yourself, thou religious hypocrite.

 

[Christian Soldier]

What is sad is that you relish an idea that God finds repugnant....who wants to paint God as a sadistic fiend?

There is no “hell”.....it’s a satanic lie....but you apparently love the idea....says a lot about you really....

You don't believe in the Bible doctrine of Hell, because Gods revealed it in the Bible. But, like your father, you don't believe anything Gad says. God said it over and over and over and over again and again about 30 times but you accuse God of being a pathelogicall liar. And that is blasphemy of the worst kind.
You most certainly deserve what's coming to you. I rejoice in Gods justice and vengeance, it shows that He keeps His promise. If He didn't punish the wicked, then I wouldn't worship Him, because it would mean that He is a corrupt Judge.

 

[Christian Soldier]

Romans 6:23, eternal life is a "gift". No torment involved. You've been misled by false religion's lies.
"Get out of her, My people!" - Rev. 18;4

if you think the fire is literal, then tell me: Why is death cast into it? Revelation 20:13,14

You sure are absolutely clueless and biblically illiterate. Eternal torment in the lake of fire, is the what the word "death" means in the biblical context of life and death.

You need to learn your biblical ABC's, before you spew this bile. You are already dead, God said you were born dead, but like your blind friend, neither of you has a clue that you're dead. God and learn about why God needs to quicken His elect to life???, Why would He need to make a living person alive, you're comment is foolish beyond measure.

Adam died the day he sinned, yet according to you he never died on that day but he died about 900 years after God told Him that he would die. Again, you accuse God of being a liar and you will pay for it.

There are 6 different kinds of death in the bible, yet none of them support you Satanic annihilation lie. Every time you attempt to make God a liar, you reveal how wicked and foolish you are. You just keep heaping coals of fire on your head.

 

[Christian Soldier]

You are definitely full of yourself, thou religious hypocrite.

'Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men'". A hypocrite, resorts to slander and false accusation when his evil is exposed and he has no defence.

You can duck and weave now, but you could be ushered into the presence of God at any moment, He will take His vengeance and exact eternal torment, in the lake of fire on all liars and blasphemers.

 

[Armour of God]

Should we support Israel. I don't know.
They seem to be just as bad as the Islamic nations that they neighbour. Always bombing and attacking someone. Let them fight their own wars, no need to get involved.

 

[Aunty Jane]

You don't believe in the Bible doctrine of Hell, because Gods revealed it in the Bible.

Which “hell” do you mean?
Sheol?....Hades?....Gehenna”....”the lake of fire”...or “tartarus”?
Jesus spoke mainly of Gehenna....so perhaps a little research may educate you on what Jesus was actually talking about metaphorically.

But, like your father, you don't believe anything Gad says.

On the contrary, I believe everything God says....I just don’t believe your twisted version of it.

God said it over and over and over and over again and again about 30 times but you accuse God of being a pathelogicall liar. And that is blasphemy of the worst kind.

Or you have no idea what you are talking about...?
God is not a liar and Christendom’s “hell” is a satanic lie.
You are obviously not a Bible student, are you...?

You most certainly deserve what's coming to you. I rejoice in Gods justice and vengeance, it shows that He keeps His promise. If He didn't punish the wicked, then I wouldn't worship Him, because it would mean that He is a corrupt Judge.

It will be so interesting to experience the final judgment where those who offend God will be sent to the very place to which they sentence others.....be careful. (1 Cor 10:12) You are not the judge of anyone’s destiny.

God will punish the wicked...but who are they? Who are those that are rejected by Jesus at the judgment? Who are the ones offering Jesus their excuses for why they failed the test of their Christian Faith? (Matt 7:21-23) They have no idea why Jesus tells them...”I never knew you”....

There are only two kinds of people who will be rejected on judgment day....Paul identified them in 2 Thess 1:6-10....there is no “hell”, just “everlasting destruction”. What more is needed?
Sadism is not one of God’s characteristics.

 

[Wrangler]

God said it over and over and over and over again and again about 30 times but you accuse God of being a pathelogicall liar.

@Christian Soldier, I haven't been following this thread closely but I want you to consider something. Another poster asked where all this animosity is coming from and now I am asking that as well.

@Aunty Jane doesn't have main stream beliefs but what she does have is courtesy in her speech and well thought out reasons for what she believes. It is fair to say that no one on this Christian forum accuses God of being a pathological liar. So, what I pray you consider is how you come across influences how other's receive your message.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Should we support Israel. I don't know.

Jesus is a Jew Who will be returning to Israel and ruling from Jerusalem for 1000 years

You don't support Jesus and His homeland?

 

[Behold]

Should we support Israel.

Yes.

Support them with your prayers, most of all.

"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem" because when that Peace comes, it'll be the Prince of Peace, Himself.

How do you know that God is protecting the "state of Israel"?

Simple......... you have Russia and China arming Iran's Proxies with bullets, bombs, and more.
You also have, at the same time, the world wide media supporting anything and everything that hates Israel, or blames Israel.
You have Israel totally surrounded by its enemies.

YET, Israel always remains, and the hand of God is the reason.

There is no way that Israel could survive as a state, as a people, if God was not protecting them.
Its a fact.

God is not finished dealing with the Jew...........all that is happening is that God has set aside a time for the Gentiles to be brought into the family of God, and this is going to end, and once it does, then God will resume His dealing with the JEW, and that is when the Trib starts.