Who were the “brothers” of Jesus?

[Taken]

You claim Jesus was not biologically born.

False. I said no such thing.

Are you familiar with what false means?

Biology is the science study of Living organisms.

God set the parameter… like KINDS of things reproduce their Same Kind of thing.

You think Mary reproduced God?

LOL…
Your should have learned God does not want manKIND to be ignorant.

But if you insist… your right to exercise your FREEWILL.

And while you are at that, stop making claims for me, I did not say!

 

[Taken]

You did say Jesus was not biologically born—just not in those exact words.

Have you not learned common sense?

When you disagree with an other…
You don’t change their words and then disagree… with your own words!

Duh!

[*]You said Jesus had no human ancestry.

Lie…

[*]You said Jesus was not made from human flesh.

Lie…

[*]You said Jesus was not a human being.

What si-fi book did you learn humans come from above?

John 8:
And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

If you want to revise your position, that’s fine. But you can’t deny the premises and then reject the conclusion that follows from them.

Gaslighter.

 

[Taken]

You can deny it now, but your earlier statements are still on the page. Let’s review them verbatim, without changing a single word.

You said:

“Biologically, scientifically, Christ the Lord Jesus has NO Father, NO Mother, NO Siblings, NO Children.”

This is not my wording.
This is your wording.

Let’s walk through this carefully.

If
Jesus has “NO Mother biologically,”
then
He was not biologically born.
That is not an accusation.
That is the definition of biological birth.

I stated a biological “relationship”…does not exist.

You “changed” the point of a “relationship” to mean “A Birth”.

I said NOTHING about.. A Birth.

A “Birth” is simply “one thing coming forth out from another thing”.

Biological birth requires:

• a biological mother
• biological ancestry
• biological flesh
• biological reproduction

You explicitly denied the first one:

You explicitly FAILED.
No reproduction occurs … without a SEED.

Biological human reproduction occurs.. AFTER a human male SEED fertilizes a human female SEED (egg).
The Females “SEED” (egg) in NOT in her Womb.
Fertilization Does not occur in a Womb.
Seed mixing / fertilization occurs in the Fallopian tubes.
That is called Conception.
That Does NOT occur in the Womb!
A female Humans SEED is in her Fallopian tubes, not her womb.
A fertilized SEED of a woman is SENT to the Womb.

A fertilized “SEED” in the WOMB of a Female Human is “encapsulated”, in a “Temporary Organ, called a Placenta”, which functions to (carry nutrients to the developing fertilized SEED and carry waste from the developing SEED).

A SEED in the Womb of a female human, gives that female human the “condition”…
Called “Conceived”… aka Pregnant, in her Womb.

So by your “biological understanding…”
God, a Spirit, SENT “His SEED” to a human females fallopian tube, to Fertilize HER SEED (egg), and that Fertilized SEED, traveled to HER WOMB, and she was Conceived / Pregnant?

And SHE (according to the flesh of ManKIND) After 9 months … Delivered forth (birthed)…
A Part Spirit…Part Human Offspring ?

And YOU declare a “part human, part Spirit”… (offspring)…
To be “mathematically calculated” as:
Fully 100% Human
And
Fully 100% Spirit!

You should have Learned 100% is the whole.
You should have Learned Angels ARE Spirits.
You should have Learned Holy male Spirits mated (copulated with) Female Humans.

And such Holy Angels … Lost their “HOLY Status”, by, through, of their “UNHOLY” act of Fertilizing a Human Females SEED (egg), WITH their SEED…
And Their “Offsprings”…
Were … Part Human, Part Spirits…
Absurdly…
Huge in a Human flesh Body…
Absurdly…
Strong as an Angels Strength…

And WHAT… Glorious Favoritism DID God bestow UPON such “Spirit Angels” for THEIR ACTS of Fertilizing Human Females SEEDS with THEIR Spirit SEED?

Sent OFF the face of the Earth TO HELL, Bound in Chains, that Their Power could Not break Free.

Yep, sure… :Rolleyes: Sounds Like … God DID (according to YOU)… exactly what God Punished Holy Angels for Doing…
And…
YOUR “mathematical corruption” of:
A full 100% + a full 100% = a full 100%.
Neither is a True Scriptural Teaching.

You are desperately, Carnally trying to Debate a Spiritual event with your Carnal Minded Understanding.

1 Cor 2:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

Rom 8:
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Humans Have “Stock Seeds”…
The human male SEED fertilizes the Human Female SEED (egg).

The “offspring”is a “human”.
The “stock”, is the offsprings… “biological” …
Relationship… to his fathers:
* Ancestry, Race (Jew / Gentile), Citizenship (Nation of Birth / Nation of Domicile / Allegiance).

A “human offspring”… Can NOT… become an Others “STOCK” offspring, “BY”…
Pretending, Fabricating, they SHARE an Ancestry with another Humans “STOCK” SEED, Ancestry.

A human CAN solicit (call on the Lord Jesus’ Name…to address Him expressly) and “AGREE” by the Vow of their True HEART-FULL (one 100%), Word…
That such human individual DESIRES to “Take upon themselves” the SEED of God …
That which God “specifically Gave HIS SEeD to an Other, and Declared that Other, a human FATHER, to many men (with the Same Seed of God. God Gave… That man, God declared a Father on Earth.)

That Other… IS Father Abraham.
His STOCK offsprings, descendants are Jews…. Of a humans SEED.
His SPIRITUAL descendants are Jews AND Gentiles….WHO ALSO have the SPIRITUAL-SEED of God “WITHIN”Them.

Not a mystery…
That SPIRITUAL SEED….. IS CHRIST!

Gods SEED does NOT “fertilize” human seeds … as you corruptly preach!

Gods Seed is A Gift, Offered and Given To the Lord God Almighty’s Truly CONFESSED / Truly Agreeing Faithful Human Believers….

Gods SEED, “rebirths” called Quickens a mans “natural born spirit, (NOT a humans SEED!!…) … with The SEED of God, to “rebirth a mans SPIRIT, with a SEED and BORN Spirit, that can NEVER Die.
And such a man… thereafter IS …
On This present Earth… ACCOUNTED…
A “Son of Gods Appointed Father…Abraham”
And “ACCOUNTED” in Heaven…
A “son of God”

Your “Accounting IS Corrupt”
Mixing any human SEED and Gods SEED
Mathematical nonsense.

Spiritually discerned, any trying to Debate A Spiritual Event with Carnal minded Logic…

A Fail…. because…

Rom 8:
Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

The Lord God Almighty is the Creator AND Maker.
Humans are the Created AND Made.

Stop trying to MAKE the Lord God reduced to some Crossbred Freak…


Gods Spirit, Gods Seed… does not “produce “Humans!”

Gods SEED, Births Spirits!

 

[Taken]

You keep insisting I am “changing your words,” …

No, only when you do.

1. “Biologically, scientifically, Christ the Lord Jesus has NO Father, NO Mother.”
2. “Yes… Lawfully Related. No… Biologically Related.”
3. “Jesus was / is NOT a Biological Son of Mary.”
4. “No… Jesus is NOT a human, Created or Made out of The Earth.”

These are your words, not mine.

Yup.

From these statements, the conclusion is unavoidable:

If Jesus has no biological mother, no biological father, no biological ancestry, and is not human, then He was not biologically born.

YOUR Conclusion, NOT Mine.

You can deny the conclusion,

Of course I can “Reject YOUR Basis and YOUR Conclusion…”
Regarding A Spiritual Event, YOU Conclude with YOUR Carnal Understanding.

but you cannot deny the conclusion and keep the premises. That is not debate—that is contradiction.

It is a WORTHLESS “Debate”…
You are Arguing From a Carnal standing regarding a Spiritual Event…

I disagree with your premise and Conclusion.
I state my standing from a Spiritual standing

1. Your “seed lecture” does not rescue your position​

My “Seed Lecture”, as you called it…
Is my Scriptural Basis, for my Knowledge, My Spiritual Understanding, OF that Knowledge comes to me From God…
And that Applies to MY Belief….

While you want to debate carnal Biology Human men study About Life.

You wrote a long explanation about:

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[*]fallopian tubes
[*]fertilization
[*]placentas
[*]conception …

^ Each about Human Biology…


[*]“stock seeds”
[*]Abraham’s seed
[*]angels mating with women
[*]Nephilim

^ Each about Scriptural Spiritual Facts.

[*]“crossbred freaks”
[*]“mathematical nonsense”

^ My opinion of Your consensus outcome.

^ A concluding FAIL when YOU want to debate a Spiritual Event from A Carnal Minded Point of View.

You are trying to bury the contradiction under a mountain of unrelated biology and mythology

I recognize the Science of Biology, Useful For Humans as it Applies to Humans, to understand Gods Creation and Making and intended workings of Human Bodies.

You Pretending YOU have ANY authority To describe MY Spiritual Understanding Given me From the Lord God… is “mythology”…
Is accounted to YOUR Own Ignorance and obviously YOURSELF, lacking to be gifted with Gods Spiritual Understanding to Know the Difference.

If Jesus has no biological mother, then He was not biologically born.​

That is not “carnal thinking.”
That is the definition of biological birth.

A Birth… is simply “One thing coming forth out from another thing…”

Long Before A Birth of ANY Living THING…
REQUIRES a SEED.

Planting begins with A Seed.
Ideas begin with A Seed.
Humans Begin with A SEED.

The Lord God Almighty IS The Seed.
He CREATES “forms” every Body…
He MAKES every SEED to Have its Own Body…. For IT’s purpose and Gods Purpose.

Some Seeds… will have Bodys Called… herbs, trees, cattle, goats, sheep, swine, holy angels, fallen angels, holy men, unholy men.

1 Cor 15:
But God gives it a body as He has willed, and to each of the seeds, its own body.

2. You are redefining “birth” to avoid the conclusion​

You now say:

“A birth is simply one thing coming forth out of another.”

Yes… because THAT… Spiritually or Biologically is the Definition of A Birth.

That is not biology.
That is not Scripture.
That is your personal metaphysics.

Your comment rails on the height of utter laughable ignorance.

A Pregnant female Human “is expecting a birth to occur.”
The Birth occurs When the little creature in her womb “comes forth exiting the womb!!”

Jesus the WORD of God was “Born” the First time God Word came Forth out of Gods Mouth!

Here it is… the First time Human Men are Aware of Gods Word…

Gen 1:
[3] And God said…

Later God said…
Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

And Gods Word Jesus said…
John 16:
[28] I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

And God Declared…
Heb 1
[5] For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Heb 10:
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me: …( a body for sacrifice!! … not His Spirit or Soul!!!)

You preach … the Literal Seed of God Mixed with The Literal biological Seed of a human Female…. To “produce”… a hybrid… half Spirit / Half human…
That you corruptly Carnally Ignorantly … concoct Two 100’s %’s equal One 100%.

God Prepared a (sacrificial Body) For HIS WORD and Sent THAT Prepared Body From Heaven, To Earth, To a “specifically” Chosen Human Females Womb….
…For that Prepared Body to Be “Revealed, coming Forth, Delivered forth, Born, From that Specific chosen Female.

The Female, was Foretold of Gods Intent… and SHE Agreed to Gods “Terms”, for Her to Remain a Virgin…(During the Pregnancy, length time, same as a human (9 months)…
And of course the female being a Faithful JEW, would abide by the Jewish Law, regarding WHEN after a Delivery, She would be no longer Obligated, to refrain from Having intimate sexual relations with her husband…and, free to commence being Obedient to God, reproducing Offspring with her Husband… as God Taught for Humans TO multiply.

Your teaching (is Corrupt) of Seeds being insignificant…of some human invented myth, and a human Had ANY involvement in “Creating or Making Jesus…” ( aside from her Agreement to fulfill Gods Request revealed IN Scripture)…

Jesus was Not Created… He was SENT…and MADE Revealed, by the Power and Way and Means and Fashion God Himself Dictated His WAY would Prevail.

Affects me not one iota, what you believe, you claim, you argue, you debate.. you will face YOUR judgement for YOUR standing… as shall I.

My CHRIST the Lord Jesus… was Sent forth out From God In Heaven TO Earth, called by what God Declared, and Fulfilled / Accomplished Gods Specific Works, Returned to God In Heaven…
and Shall Return to Earth TO fulfill / accomplish MORE “works”, God has Revealed WILL commence.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

1. You claim this is a “spiritual event,” but you keep making biological claims​

You say:

“I recognize the Science of Biology… useful for humans.”

But you also say:

• “Biologically… Jesus has NO Mother.”
• “Jesus was NOT a biological son of Mary.”
• “No… Jesus is NOT a human.”
• “No… biologically related.”

Those are biological claims.

You cannot make biological claims and then accuse me of “carnal thinking” when I respond to them.

That is not spirituality—that is evasion.

Born of a Woman…

Yup that Applied to Jesus…
Right AFTER Jesus was Born… (came forth out of / from the Father)
And Was Sent to a Virgin Human Womb!

It is Very Obvious…
You do Not Accept or Understand WHAT a Birth IS…

NOR…That or Why Jesus Was First Birthed, Delivered forth out From God…

NOR…Why Jesus Having come Forth out from God…
was Sent to Earth To be “Legally, Lawfully” Revealed being Birthed, Delivered forth From a Particular Human Womans Womb…
AND That Event and circumstances …
Broadly “Broadcasted”.

Do YOU have the honesty within you to answer… Yes or No…
If you believe Jesus IS God?

 

[Taken]

Your question is a distraction from the issue you still haven’t answered.
My belief about Jesus’ divinity is not the point—the point is your contradiction.

You claim:

• Jesus has no biological mother
• Jesus has no biological ancestry
• Jesus is not human
• Jesus is not biologically related to Mary
• Jesus is not a biological son of David

But Scripture says:

• Jesus was “born of a woman” (Galatians 4:4)
• Jesus is “seed of David according to the flesh” (Romans 1:3)

Your “two births” theory is not in Scripture, and redefining “birth” as “coming forth” does not solve the contradiction.

So before we move to any other topic, answer the actual issue:

How can Jesus be “born of a woman” and “seed of David according to the flesh” if He has no biological mother, no biological ancestry, and no human flesh?

Until you answer that, changing the subject to “Do you believe Jesus is God?” is simply evasion.

If You know Jesus and Jesus Knows You…
Jesus Saves Your Soul.

If You believe Jesus Has the appointment of King of ISRAEL, and You Serve the King Of ISRAEL, and the KING blesses You with Gods Quickening SEED, who IS Christ., then Your Spirit is Quickened.

If your STOCK descendants are Faithful Servants of God they receive the same Blessings and Gifts.

Abraham met, believed, Served the King of Jerusalem, Israel., was Blessed and Gifted.
Abraham’s Faithful STOCK / Lawful descendants became Lawful Heirs to the Throne of Jerusalem, ISRAEL.

Lawful Descendants of Abraham (in brief).
Each “Entitled” to the Throne, Kingship…
Jerusalem, Israel.

Matthew 1:2-16


2 Abraham fathered[a] Isaac,
Isaac fathered Jacob,
Jacob fathered Judah and his brothers,
3 Judah fathered Perez and Zerah by Tamar,
Perez fathered Hezron,
Hezron fathered Aram,
4 Aram fathered Amminadab,
Amminadab fathered Nahshon,
Nahshon fathered Salmon,
5 Salmon fathered Boaz by Rahab,
Boaz fathered Obed by Ruth,
Obed fathered Jesse,
6 and Jesse fathered David.
From David to the Babylonian Exile

]God Himself Appointed David King…
And Pronounced his Throne Everlasting.

Then David fathered Solomon by Uriah’s wife,
7 Solomon fathered Rehoboam,
Rehoboam fathered Abijah,
Abijah fathered Asa,[c]
8 Asa[d] fathered Jehoshaphat,
Jehoshaphat fathered Joram,[e]
Joram fathered Uzziah,
9 Uzziah fathered Jotham,
Jotham fathered Ahaz,
Ahaz fathered Hezekiah,
10 Hezekiah fathered Manasseh,
Manasseh fathered Amon,[f]
Amon fathered Josiah,
11 and Josiah fathered Jechoniah and his brothers
at the time of the exile to Babylon.
From the Exile to the Messiah

12
Jechoniah fathered Shealtiel,
Shealtiel fathered Zerubbabel,
13 Zerubbabel fathered Abiud,
Abiud fathered Eliakim,
Eliakim fathered Azor,
14 Azor fathered Zadok,
Zadok fathered Achim,
Achim fathered Eliud,
15 Eliud fathered Eleazar,
Eleazar fathered Matthan,
Matthan fathered Jacob,
16 and Jacob fathered Joseph the husband of Mary,
who gave birth to[g] Jesus who is called the Messiah.

Mary gave Birth to a Body God Prepared And Sent forth Out From God, TO MARYS Virgin Womb.

Joesph’s Lawful offspring, are Lawfully “entitled” to the Throne of King David.

The “entitled” to Rule as King of Israel, Jerusalem, Abraham’s Promised Land…
Forever…
Is an individual… who IS Both…
Lawfully entitled … being Lawfully of the House of David…(stock descendants / or they who have taken on the Seed of Abraham… whom Abraham took on himself the Seed of God, who is Christ.)
And God Himself, who shall Lawfully Rule this World…

In short..
Abraham’s stock, (natural “related” “lawful “ descendants)…are “entitled Heirs” to Abraham’s Gifted Promised Land, which includes Israel and Jerusalem.

Also, any man JEW or GENTILE…WHO is not biologically a descendant of Abraham, is Also “entitled Lawful Heirs”…
IF, they receive the Seed of God (who IS Christ)… within Them, as Did Abraham…
“THEY” become MADE Heirs…
Because they “have been “MADE”, to share the Same “SEED” as Abraham to David to Jesus…

Don’t you read and study scripture to Learn and Know the Knowledge and the importance of the SEED?

I am not Jewish. Thus NOT a Lawful STOCK descendant of Abraham or David, thus Not Entitle as an Heir to Abraham’s Promised Land…
Which Will be The Hub, Gods Throne, When “THIS World / Earth is Restored”…
However…
Because… Like Abraham I also received the SEED of God ( who is Christ )…
I was Lawfully “MADE”, heir / entitled to Abraham’s Promised Land…. Gods Future Earthly Kingdom!

I am Lawfully Included With Abraham…David, sharing the Same SEED.

God MADE that Possible… by, through, of Jesus…being Sent to Mary’s womb… and a lawful (according to mans Law) record of Jesus …a legal offspring of Abraham and King David.

Abraham took upon himself the Seed of God…
Jesus took upon Himself the seed of Abraham.

I took upon myself the Seed of Abraham that is Christ.

Now I am entitled as an heir of Abraham.

Heb 2:
[16] For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

Gal 3:
And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Jesus’ Body was Sent to Mary’s Womb, and Came forth / Was Delivered…
In the same manner, according to the flesh…
After 9 months, delivered forth from Mary’s womb.
And was legally documented,
* By Romans…Census
(In Bethlehem, Judea), as the son of Joseph (of the House of David) and Mary his wife, citizens of Nazareth.
* By Jews…sacred Recordings.
* By Gentiles…sacred Recordings.

For Centuries Taught by multitudes of men…

Even Jesus Himself spoke, Taught…
From Where “HE” came.

Gal 3: 29
I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

John 3;
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

 

[Taken]

Your entire explanation still avoids the central contradiction.
You say Jesus had no biological mother, no human ancestry, and no human flesh.
But Scripture says:

• He was “born of a woman” (Galatians 4:4)
• He is “seed of David according to the flesh” (Romans 1:3)
• He shared in “flesh and blood” (Hebrews 2:14)

Your system denies all three.
Until you explain how Jesus can be "born of a woman" and "seed of David according to the flesh" without having any human flesh or human ancestry, everything else you wrote is irrelevant and a distraction.

You have been Given the Knowledge…

The necessity of a Human mans Seed And human Woman’s Seed, to Reproduce A Human offspring.

The natural Way a mans Seed Fertilizes a Woman’s Seed is by copulation.

Where the humans Seed is Fertilized.
Where the humans Fertilized Goes.
How long a Fertilized Takes to become Prepared to Exit and come forth from the female, and that offspring, called Born.

You have been Given the Fact…
Mary was a Virgin.
She did not participate in copulation with ANY male.
Jesus came forth OUT from the Father IN Heaven.
Jesus was SENT to Mary’s Womb.

You should Have Learned…from Scripture…
Jesus is the Christ, the Power of God.
Jesus Is the Christ, the Seed of God.

Are you so ignorant… you believe Humans reproduce offsprings from…
A woman’s Womb whose seed was not fertilized ?
Or do you believe God “secretly” fertilized Mary’s Seed…. Without copulation… to produce a Freak… half spirit, half human?

Or do you believe Scripture…
Christ Jesus, the Power of God, The Seed of God, was SENT to Mary’s Womb… With zero mention of HER SEED…and according to the flesh, 9 months later revealed A delivery of Christ The Lord Jesus… who is both Lawfully…
The Son of Abraham, of King David…
And the Only begotten Son of God…

Singularly, Christ the Lord Jesus is “entitled” to Be “Heir” of Abrahams and King Davids and Gods…
Throne, Land, Kingdom.

No one is disputing Jesus’ birth delivery from Mary’s Womb…
That was the Plan!

You are the one who is ignorant and avoiding…
Gods seed did Not fertilize Mary’s Seed…
God Sent His Seed to Mary’s Womb…!
A human females seed is NOT fertilized in a female womb.

Your own ignorance is your enemy of Truth.

 

[Wick Stick]

God established RACE Division…
ISRAELITES and GENTILES.

It seems to me that God went to quite a bit of trouble to establish a nation that WASN'T built around race.

Starting with Abraham, God makes the election about belief in a promise and the testation of a covenant. The promise? to make Abraham a "father of nations." He then casts away Ishmael and Esau, two straight "natural heirs" of that covenant. Then God sends the family into a foreign nation (Egypt). 400 years later, He brings a diverse group of people out of Egypt, and baptizes them all in the Sea to become the "nation" of Israel.

1Corinthians 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

That's the story of the founding of Israel. Membership has been defined in terms of belief; not ancestry, from the beginning of it.

 

[Taken]

You say Jesus had no biological mother,

Yes, I said that.

no human ancestry,

Lie, I did not say that.

and no human flesh.

Lie, I did not say that.

But Scripture says:

• He was “born of a woman” (Galatians 4:4)
• He is “seed of David according to the flesh” (Romans 1:3)
• He shared in “flesh and blood” (Hebrews 2:14)

Your system denies all three.

Lie…. I am not accountable for your gaslighting.

Until you explain how Jesus can be "born of a woman" and "seed of David according to the flesh" without having any human flesh or human ancestry, everything else you wrote is irrelevant and a distraction.

Review… most of what you are disagreeing with is what you wrote, not me.

You have been given the explanation..
But you have failed to understand.
Did you not know … why you do not understand?

Humans reproduce through Human Seeds, via copulation!

God is Spirit.
God does not have sex with humans.
God does not mix His Spirit Seed with Humans Seeds.

God “GIVES” His Spirit Seed to a faithful Humans …. HEART!!!

 

[Taken]

It seems to me that God went to quite a bit of trouble to establish a nation that WASN'T built around race.

But it was “expressly built around RACE…
Particularly… the Human RACE…

And when a small portion of the HUMAN RACE…yielded to God (Hebrews)…
God Divided the Human RACE…
Between… Hebrews, Israel, Jews AND Gentiles.

Starting with Abraham, God makes the election about belief in a promise and the testation of a covenant. The promise? to make Abraham a "father of nations." He then casts away Ishmael and Esau, two straight "natural heirs" of that covenant. Then God sends the family into a foreign nation (Egypt). 400 years later, He brings a diverse group of people out of Egypt, and baptizes them all in the Sea to become the "nation" of Israel.

The promise to Abraham was to have A son, with his wife…
He didn’t … He had a son with his wife’s handmaiden.

Later, (about 12 years) Abraham had a son with his wife. The son God Promised Abraham.

God did not send Ishmael and Hagar away… Abraham did.

God actually sent an Angel to Hargar, to tell her her son Ishmael would beget 12 sons and they would prosper and become Princes in their own lands.

1Corinthians 10:1-4 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.

That's the story of the founding of Israel. Membership has been defined in terms of belief; not ancestry, from the beginning of it.

 

[Wrangler]

If Jesus had no biological mother as you claim, then He had no human ancestry and no human flesh.
That is the unavoidable consequence of your own claim.

Adam had no mother. Yet, he came to also be at the direct hand of God. Jesus is like that. How to make sense of it is based on 2 factors:

1. Surrogate motherhood. I believe this is what @Taken's technical position is w.r.t. to her own lord.

2. Adopted children. Julius Caesar "adopted" his adult nephew Octavian, giving him full right to the inheritance of replacing Julius on the throne.

Jesus was adopted by Joseph that is the weak link to David. Hope this helps.

 

[Wrangler]

Adam is not a valid comparison because Adam had no ancestry, no genealogy, and no “seed according to the flesh.” Jesus does.
Scripture explicitly says Jesus is “seed of David according to the flesh” (Romans 1:3).
Adoption cannot make someone “seed according to the flesh,” and surrogacy still produces a human child with human flesh.
So the question remains:

How can Jesus be “seed of David according to the flesh” if He has no human flesh, no human ancestry, and no biological mother?

Neither Adam nor adoption solves that contradiction.

You're too closed minded to continue discussing this with you. I've already explained. Repeating your question is not edifying for you.

Make a blessed day!

 

[Taken]

If Jesus had no biological mother as you claim, then He had no human ancestry and no human flesh.

That is YOUR absurd claim …

You obviously are unfamiliar with …
Human Laws…

An individual born forth from a female Womb… Lawfully …is the son of that female and her husband!!!

Lawfully…the fathers kinsmen are that child’s kinsmen.
Lawfully…the woman’s kinsman are that child’s kinsman.

Are you not Lawfully a kinsman to your mom and dads kinsmen?

If your mom was artificially inseminated with an unknown donor…
Would you be the lawful child of your mom and dad? Yes.
Would you be the biological child of your dad? No.

Biology to procreate has everything to do with SEEDS.

Parents who Are ones Lawful parents…may or may not be biologically related!!!

Not a big mystery.









That is the unavoidable consequence of your own claim.

But Scripture says:

• He was “born of a woman” (Galatians 4:4)
• He is “seed of David according to the flesh” (Romans 1:3)
• He “shared in flesh and blood” (Hebrews 2:14)

Your system contradicts all three.
You still have not explained how Jesus can be “seed of David according to the flesh” without having any human flesh or human ancestry.
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You say you “already explained,” but you never addressed the actual contradiction. You tried using Adam and adoption as analogies, but neither one answers the question:

• Adam had no ancestry, no genealogy, and no “seed according to the flesh,”

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  False…
  
  God Gives to Every seed, it’s own Body!
  
  1 Cor 15:
  But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.
  
  
  You want people to verify your carnal minded nonsense.

 

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Mary - Why did not the Lord's brother's take her? She seemed without family... I would imagine Joseph long ago passed away and the Lord's half brothers may not have been blood kin at all.

25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas, and Mary Magdalene.
26 When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!
27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home. - John 19

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Mary Seemed Without Family

Mary - Why did not the Lord's brother's take her? She seemed without family... I would imagine Joseph long ago passed away and the Lord's half brothers may not have been blood kin at all. 25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus his mother, and his mother's sister, Mary the wife of Cleophas...

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You switched from biology to legal terminology, but legal status cannot create flesh, blood, or ancestry.
Scripture does not say Jesus is “legally seed of David.” It says He is “seed of David according to the flesh” (Romans 1:3).
Your analogy about artificial insemination actually proves my point:

a child may be legally a father’s child, but is NOT that father’s “seed according to the flesh.”

So the question remains:

How can Jesus be “born of a woman” and “seed of David according to the flesh” if, as you claim, He had no biological mother, no human ancestry, and no human flesh?

You still have not answered that.

It has been answered…

Jesus was SENT to Mary’s womb.

Jesus’ Body was Prepared BY God, with Flesh, bones, Blood…and SENT to Mary’s Womb.

Mary and Joseph did not have sex.
Mary’s egg was not fertilized with Joseph’s Sperm.

After 9 months… same as a humans Waiting period…

Jesus was delivered forth from her womb, called Born!

Was Joseph and Mary’s biological ancestors … Jesus’ biological Ancestors?… duh… No.

Was Joseph and Mary’s biological ancestors
… Jesus’ LAWFUL kinsmen, relatives, (according TO mans Law),? Duh… Yes.

Was Joseph related biologically to Abraham, Issac, Jacob, House of David, King David? Duh…Yes!

Does that make Jesus Heir to King David’s Throne? Duh…Yes.

Does King David’s Throne still exist? Duh … Yes.

Will Jesus Return to Earth and Claim…
His inheritance….?
Abraham’s Promised Land AND King David’s Throne… and Call the Land and Throne…
His (Jesus’ Kingdom)… duh… YES!

This is basic Scripture… and you spend way too much time coveting your Carnal conclusions, and gaslighting Rather than taking the hints, reading, researching, verifying in Scripture, and Learning How to gain Understanding of the Truth.

 

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You still have not answered that.

You are not prepared to hear the Truth and definitely not Prepared to understand the Truth.

Your foolishness is absurd and wasteful.

The question I asked…
Was Do you believe Jesus is God ?
I will take your Negative silence to be a Negative No.

Expecting your gaslighting and accusation to resume.

 

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You’ve finally made your position completely clear:
Jesus’ body was not from Mary, not from Joseph, and

not from any human ancestry at all.

False. Your words, gaslighter.
Jesus’ Legal ancestry is Precisely…the same as His Legal parents…
Joseph and Mary.

(And just to be clear: I am not saying Joseph’s sperm was involved—Scripture is clear Joseph was not the biological father.)

But your view still means Jesus has

no biological connection to Mary, David, Abraham, or any human being.

Jesus’ Legal Ancestors are Mary and Joseph’s Biological Ancestors.

Yet Scripture explicitly says:

• He is “seed of David according to the flesh” (Romans 1:3)
• He was “born of a woman” (Galatians 4:4)
• He “shared in flesh and blood” like us (Hebrews 2:14)

A body specially prepared in heaven with no human ancestry is not “seed of David according to the flesh.”

And so?
What’s your point?

All Scripture is True.
Jesus did come forth from Mary’s Womb…
9 months After He entered her Womb…

Jesus did have flesh and blood…
Conveniently God prepared a Body of Flesh and Blood For Jesus and sent that body to Mary’s Womb.

Jesus’ Lawful parents were related to Abraham, King David…
So also was Their Lawful son, Jesus Lawfully related to his lawful parents biological ancestors.

At this point, your view is not just different from mine—it directly contradicts the text itself.

Lie. Not one thing I have said contradicts Scripture.

What I have said is in line with Scripture.
You are in conflict with the Truth.

You ignoring Jesus was Bodily flesh and Blood Prepared by God, and Sent to Mary’s Womb…
Reveals.. NO human seeds Had Anything whatsoever to do with Jesus’ birth…

And because Jesus was Joseph’s and Mary’s LAWFUL son, So also were Joseph and Mary’s Biological and Lawful ancestors Jesus’ Lawful ancestors.

Seems you are also NOT informed…
Jesus came to Fulfill the LAW, not to satisfy your Carnal minded wondering, that are MOOT, regarding Gods Spiritual Works.

 

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At this point, your view is not just different from mine—it directly contradicts the text itself.



You’re changing the subject….

No. I am including facts.

My question was about your claim that Jesus had no biological mother, no human ancestry, and no human flesh.

Why don’t YOU stop asking,…

And Tell us all About…
Jesus’ “supposed” Biological Mother?

 

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You say you “already explained,” but you never addressed the actual contradiction.

Yes, I did address the actual contradiction. You dismissed it as not applicable.