Symbolism

[marks]

Yes, they are but when you're immortal does time really matter?

Then are you changing from "time can't be counted" to "counting time doesn't matter"?

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

God created man and the bible was written for man in a way that man could understand it. If one has to create symbolism to try and find truth, they are going down the wrong path.

It is God who has created symbolism--

Or did you think Jesus was a baby sheep, His Word for making sandwiches, the Temple only stone, or you and I one man in a bridal gown?

Take symbolism out of the Bible and all you will have is a handful of snippets. What you are saying is against God.

 

[Trekson]

Then are you changing from "time can't be counted" to "counting time doesn't matter"?

Much love!

Both phrases say the same thing because Eden was created eternal, thousands of years could between creation and the fall. Just because one can have day and night doesn't mean you're keeping count. That would be like a person today counting the seconds, throughout their life, it would be meaningless.

 

[Trekson]

It is God who has created symbolism--

Or did you think Jesus was a baby sheep, His Word for making sandwiches, the Temple only stone, or you and I one man in a bridal gown?

Take symbolism out of the Bible and all you will have is a handful of snippets. What you are saying is against God.

Did you understand what they meant the first time you read them? There are two kinds of symbolism and that would be like what Christ said at the last supper about the bread and the wine being symbolic for his body and blood. The bad kind takes that to the extreme where they actually believe, as Catholics do, that they are really eating the body of Christ and drinking his blood because it changes just before one participates. Or, they take it to the other extreme and say Jesus was the Lamb of God, therefore lambs are holy and must be worshipped too.

 

[ScottA]

Did you understand what they meant the first time you read them? There are two kinds of symbolism and that would be like what Christ said at the last supper about the bread and the wine being symbolic for his body and blood. The bad kind takes that to the extreme where they actually believe, as Catholics do, that they are really eating the body of Christ and drinking his blood because it changes just before one participates. Or, they take it to the other extreme and say Jesus was the Lamb of God, therefore lambs are holy and must be worshipped too.

I understand. But that does not mean that symbolism is wrong or bad. It just means that every good thing of God is exploited by the spirit of anti-Christ. Even so, symbolism is a part of God's method of revelation.

Meanwhile, you kick against the pricks. Your campaign quenches the Spirit--that part that God has given to prick the ears of all who are asleep, that we all might hear what the Spirit says--and if that turns some to the devil they are revealed. God has set before all who are born "life and death, blessing and cursing" that everyone should choose. So be it. This is His "dividing of the light from the darkness", and symbolism is a big part of it. A huge part.

 

[soberxp]

Symbolism?
Because you can only find the connection with "Symbolism" in the Bible.
And it only exists in the words of the Bible.
Many people try to explain these symbolic meanings with things in the world.A wrong way and method.

Did you understand what they meant the first time you read them? There are two kinds of symbolism and that would be like what Christ said at the last supper about the bread and the wine being symbolic for his body and blood. The bad kind takes that to the extreme where they actually believe, as Catholics do, that they are really eating the body of Christ and drinking his blood because it changes just before one participates. Or, they take it to the other extreme and say Jesus was the Lamb of God, therefore lambs are holy and must be worshipped too.

So there is a vampire legend?

 

[marks]

Both phrases say the same thing because Eden was created eternal, thousands of years could between creation and the fall. Just because one can have day and night doesn't mean you're keeping count. That would be like a person today counting the seconds, throughout their life, it would be meaningless.

You've moved the goalpost. I'm not sure why, but in fact God made time to be countable on purpose.

Whether you can and whether you care to are not the same.

Much love!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The correct term would be "higher spiritual meaning."

Are you sure you want to say that the truth of God has no higher meaning than the scriptures show at face value?

Yes I am sure! It is hard enought o understand and live by the literal word, than trying to root around figuring out all these hidden or "higher" meanings. There are legions of folks like you who have claimed they have been given "higher meanings" and you all tend to disagree with one another. who is right and who is wrong in their"higher meanings" And what authority do you use to defend your hidden "higher meaning" as from god and declare many others as not from god?

 

[Trekson]

You've moved the goalpost. I'm not sure why, but in fact God made time to be countable on purpose.

Whether you can and whether you care to are not the same.

Much love!

You're overlooking God's foreknowledge of what would actually happen eventually where the beings he created needed the night and day for a variety of reasons.

 

[marks]

You're overlooking God's foreknowledge of what would actually happen eventually where the beings he created needed the night and day for a variety of reasons.

I'm merely commenting on the contradictory nature of your statements.

It's a simple thing.

Much love!

 

[Trekson]

I'm merely commenting on the contradictory nature of your statements.

It's a simple thing.

Much love!

Imo, when experiencing the same thing for thousands of years, you're not going to be counting the days. It was eternal time until the fall.

 

[marks]

Imo, when experiencing the same thing for thousands of years, you're not going to be counting the days. It was eternal time until the fall.

I don't understand why you don't simply retract your statement that time wasn't countable before the Fall, as we both seem to now agree that was not true. I'd do it in a heartbeat, that's how I am when I realize if I'd said something incorrect.

Much love!

 

[ScottA]

Yes I am sure! It is hard enought o understand and live by the literal word, than trying to root around figuring out all these hidden or "higher" meanings. There are legions of folks like you who have claimed they have been given "higher meanings" and you all tend to disagree with one another. who is right and who is wrong in their"higher meanings" And what authority do you use to defend your hidden "higher meaning" as from god and declare many others as not from god?

Then you as much as deny what "the literal word" says about God confusing "all language", and Jesus saying "The words that I speak to you are spirit."

That is very sad!

As for what authority I have, the scriptures give witness to my authority, wherein there is only one who is "caught up to the third heaven"--I am "such a one"--to say nothing of John's witness also (by the mouth of two or three), and you deny me also, preferring to lean on your own understanding.

So be it.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Imo, when experiencing the same thing for thousands of years, you're not going to be counting the days. It was eternal time until the fall.

So, you think the six days of creation happened in eternity rather than in real time in literal days consisting of the day time and night time and evenings and mornings? You think there is night and day and evenings and mornings in eternity? No, there's not. You have no idea of what you're talking about here.

 

[Davidpt]

Imo, when experiencing the same thing for thousands of years, you're not going to be counting the days. It was eternal time until the fall.

And you have proof that after someone was created and or formed, whether it be a human or an animal, that they experienced thousands of uncountable years before the fall ever took place?

Yet it was after the fall when we see the following being mentioned for the first time.

Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

You would think that was already happening big time during those uncountable thousands of years that allegedly preceded the fall. After all, God blessed man with the following from the get go--And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. So it's not like they were not allowed to procreate before the fall but had to wait until after the fall to do so. And if thousands of uncountable years have passed prior to the fall, Genesis 6:1 is then a moot point. Notice what the text actually says---when men began to multiply--the keyword being 'began'. Meaning post the fall, obviously. I'm pretty sure everyone knows what 'began' generally means per contexts like this one.

 

[Trekson]

I don't understand why you don't simply retract your statement that time wasn't countable before the Fall, as we both seem to now agree that was not true. I'd do it in a heartbeat, that's how I am when I realize if I'd said something incorrect.

Much love!

Just because it is possible to do something doesn't mean it will be done.

 

[Trekson]

And you have proof that after someone was created and or formed, whether it be a human or an animal, that they experienced thousands of uncountable years before the fall ever took place?

Yet it was after the fall when we see the following being mentioned for the first time.

Genesis 6:1 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

You would think that was already happening big time during those uncountable thousands of years that allegedly preceded the fall. After all, God blessed man with the following from the get go--And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth. So it's not like they were not allowed to procreate before the fall but had to wait until after the fall to do so. And if thousands of uncountable years have passed prior to the fall, Genesis 6:1 is then a moot point. Notice what the text actually says---when men began to multiply--the keyword being 'began'. Meaning post the fall, obviously. I'm pretty sure everyone knows what 'began' generally means per contexts like this one.

We are only given a very brief Cliff Notes version of creation. True about 6:1, however, the sons of God, in vs. 2 which are 'not" angels were here first. Sons of God = children before the fall, daughters of men = children after the fall, imo.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Then you as much as deny what "the literal word" says about God confusing "all language", and Jesus saying "The words that I speak to you are spirit."

That is very sad!

As for what authority I have, the scriptures give witness to my authority, wherein there is only one who is "caught up to the third heaven"--I am "such a one"--to say nothing of John's witness also (by the mouth of two or three), and you deny me also, preferring to lean on your own understanding.

So be it.

So you were caught up to third heaven? Paul could not speak of what he saw- but you do????????

No I uphold the literal Woprd of God and protect it from even well meaning believers who through whatever tool they use, alter the clear, plain and normal meaning of the Words god Inspired.

Yes , at Babel all spoke in one language, but then created all the root tongues to keep people from banding together for great evil.

Yes His Words are spirit. That means the natural man cannot comprehend them. It is not a license to come up with altered meanings of what was written by Divine Inspiration.

 

[ScottA]

So you were caught up to third heaven? Paul could not speak of what he saw- but you do????????

No I uphold the literal Woprd of God and protect it from even well meaning believers who through whatever tool they use, alter the clear, plain and normal meaning of the Words god Inspired.

Yes , at Babel all spoke in one language, but then created all the root tongues to keep people from banding together for great evil.

Yes His Words are spirit. That means the natural man cannot comprehend them. It is not a license to come up with altered meanings of what was written by Divine Inspiration.

You speak of "license to come up with altered meanings of what was written", but what of those who God has not only given license, but commanded them even against what men have thought to be true--what of God and His inspiration--of God who did not stop with what is written as many people do, but who has gone ahead in spirit--not He who only "was", but He "who was, and is, and is to come", "the same yesterday, today, and forever?"

Your self-imposed limit and belief makes for a false god and a false doctrine.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You speak of "license to come up with altered meanings of what was written", but what of those who God has not only given license, but commanded them even against what men have thought to be true--what of God and His inspiration--of God who did not stop with what is written as many people do, but who has gone ahead in spirit--not He who only "was", but He "who was, and is, and is to come", "the same yesterday, today, and forever?"

Your self-imposed limit and belief makes for a false god and a false doctrine.

No it does not make for a false God or doctrine.

As the Inspired Apostle said:

2 Timothy 3:16-17

King James Version

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16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Anything that goes beyond what god inspired i the words of Scripture is demonic and must be resisted at all costs.