Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

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Jay Ross

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And yet it IS about the Land which belongs to God Who said nobody is going to remove the descendants of Abraham from it.

God allowed it and it happened in 70 A.D. when the last of the Israelites were scattered throughout the whole earth.

Jews claim that God's promises were that they would possess prescribed land(s) as a forever covenantal promise. The Covenant Promise of 'land' always had a sun set clause within them that if they turned away from God that God would cause them to lose possession of that land.

For the Israelites to be a blessing to all of the peoples of the earth they are required to be scattered through all of the earth.

They were required to walk the earth that He, God, would show them.

God did show them how they should walk in His earth, but they chose to turn away and began indulging in Idolatrous worship.

Abraham's descendants will only receive possession of the whole earth after the GWTR Judgement.

So, as far as God is concerned, it is not about the land as you are suggesting.
 
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Mocker. I see the words that you are sorry but don't feel the sincerity.


That's right. Feel free to re-read the dozens of posts I've already made in the winning argument. God is a warrior and so are we, being made in his image, commanded to DO JUSTICE, buy a sword and give to Caesar what is Caesar's + facts of history, millions of Christians for centuries have used violence to survive. You got nothing to say about how violence Christ will be as the 1st act of his 2nd coming, to smite his enemies, and the last act, to raise the judged from the dead to be annihilated in the Lake of Fire.

Here is the story of the most blessed among women. Not the mother of Jesus, who is merely blessed. The most blessed woman is so because she used violence as an act of justice. Judges 5:24-27
24 “Most blessed among women is Jael,
the wife of Heber the Kenite.
May she be blessed above all women who live in tents.
25 Sisera asked for water,
and she gave him milk.
In a bowl fit for nobles,
she brought him yogurt.
26 Then with her left hand she reached for a tent peg,
and with her right hand for the workman’s hammer.
She struck Sisera with the hammer, crushing his head.
With a shattering blow, she pierced his temples.
27 He sank, he fell,
he lay still at her feet.
And where he sank,
there he died.
Wow! Just....wow.

At John 13:35, Jesus told His disciples, "By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves."
Love would be an identifier of true worship. But it seems no one "will know" from you....your love seems to be just like the world's.
"If you love those loving you, ...what great thing are you doing? Are not people of the nations doing the same thing?" -- Matthew 5:46,47
 

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Not sure why you’re trying to make this personal. The Bible is one of the most violent books ever written, violence commanded by God, violence not condemned by God as I cited, violence done by Jesus in his life, violence Jesus implied by taking out our own eye and buying a sword, and the violence he’ll do in his 2nd Coming.
Wow, the bible in the hands of flesh sure is dangerous. But God knew it would be. It is one way of separating sheep from goats, wheat from tares.

The violence we see in the OT serves to teach spiritual lessons to those who belong to Christ........because our warfare is spiritual, not carnal. And those who have not received Christ and have not His Spirit are not able to understand:

1Co 2:13

Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
 

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God allowed it and it happened in 70 A.D. when the last of the Israelites were scattered throughout the whole earth.
If you are talking about the believing Israelites (early church) who fled as Jesus instructed, and who God provided a way of escape for them just before Jerusalem fell, then amen.

Jews claim that God's promises were that they would possess prescribed land(s) as a forever covenantal promise. The Covenant Promise of 'land' always had a sun set clause within them that if they turned away from God that God would cause them to lose possession of that land.
Amen.

For the Israelites to be a blessing to all of the peoples of the earth they are required to be scattered through all of the earth.
Yes, if we're talking about believing Israel. But unbelieving Israel though they might be considered to have been a blessing in some material ways, spiritually speaking they have been a very bad influence, sadly.

Abraham's descendants will only receive possession of the whole earth after the GWTR Judgement.
If you are talking about those who are Abraham's sons of promise, ie, spiritual sons, which mean believing Jews and believing Gentiles, then amen. And the earth we inherit is speaking of the new earth/heavens......an eternal kingdom.
 
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Not so evil or wicked in fact ! fool ! or did you grow up under Communist Russia ?
So thank God that one had the good of what our forefathers sowed. not to mention that such has been eroded over the last 30 years by Carnal and Carnal religious jerks who lack the Grace of Christ Jesus, for a pansy type of adopted Carnal one, that such think is Jesus the flower power type of such types of nonsense.

Yes Christ Jesus did come ! Carnal seek for him ! because they are not Saved.
Only the fools can not fathom such truly that he gave us all we need, but that they seek another ? Why because they are clearly Lost !

The Church is The body of Christ Jesus and he is the head their of ! period ! such are as it is in Heaven ? Not in Heaven ?
This world is our buisness in fact or such a one is not worthy ! When one is truly Saved, Behold I send you out amoung the Wolves ? Remember Paul ? why you think he do ! ey !

Carnal Religious is what you are peddling on boasting about such of this world.

When the Jews were not worthy of God ! That is when they were not worthy of Israel in fact !

Only the Saved are worthy of Israel in fact !

Jesus went to get the OT Saints, because they were worthy of being an Israel !
This whole world is under the sway of the wicked one (the prince/god of this world), as John wrote. It is Satan's kingdom....that is why it is appointed to wrath - for good reason. I'm only recently really realizing and facing just how wicked this world is.......because the rulers of it, the ruling elites, worship Satan/Ba'al/Lucifer in heinously evil and wicked ways...they get their power and wealth from him. That is what Satan tempted Jesus with in the wilderness....all the kingdoms of the world had been given to the devil to rule (when he was Lucifer in the beginning) and he could give it to whoever he pleases. And he is only pleased with those who worship him and do his will. This is why we more often see the wicked prospering with wealth and power in this life more than the meek and humble. Notice that Noah didn't change the world, he rescued souls OUT OF IT so to speak, before the wrath/flood was poured out. Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world.......we are looking for an heavenly eternal kingdom, not an earthly one.

Western civilization, aka "Christendom" has enjoyed only a few generations of relative peace and general prosperity and egalitarian government, only a short space of time in terms of history......just enough to be a witness to the world, I believe, and then the falling away (happening now), and soon after this the end will come.
 
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Yes, it was......for those not under grace. Don't you want to be under grace?

And do you remember why King David was not permitted by God to build Him a temple? There is a lesson there for the church too.
And WHO went away to prepare a place .
JESUS had the blood of no man on his hands . He resisted sin even unto blood , HIS OWN blood
which he shed FOR The peoples .
Solomen built a temple after the heavenly pattern but NOT the heavenly itself .
The earthen was but for a season and a time, TILL what EVEN THE PROPHETS did say and the law pointed too
WOULD COME to fullilll the promises given unto the fathers .
OH ITS ALL HEAVENLY NOW .
the sheep , we have a heavenly MOUNT ZION that ev en pauls speaks about
A Heavenly JERUSALEM that they spoke about sister .
WHOSE TEMPLE BE GOD AND THE LAMB . WHOSE GREAT HIGH PRIEST
already long ago OFFERED UP THE BLOOD , as in HIS OWN BLOOD
and entered into the heavenly ITSELF to make intercession for the people of GOD
So allow me a real simple example .
I will use paul .
Paul according to the flesh had always been descendant of abraham
had always according to the flesh been of israel . But on the road
to damascus truly BECAME a child of abraham and TRULY BECAME OF TRUE ISRAEL .
of which NOT ALL israel is OF ISRAEL .
in fact paul had always according to THE FLESH been a jew . But on that day BECAME A TRUE JEW .
FOR he is not a jew which is one outward in the flesh , HE is a jew WHOSE CIRCUMSION is of the Heart , BY THE SPIRIT
whose faith BE IN THE CHRIST OF GOD .
The flesh profits NOTHING . YE MUST BE BORN AGAIN .
He who believes on JESUS is BORN OF GOD , as john well knew that TOO . But many
are of the f lesh , and many seek the earthen and many now heed right into this peace plan .
Beleiving it to be of GOD , when IN TRUTH its leading them to merge as one
Under he who cometh in his own name and by PEACE shalll destroy many . WE ARE AT THE END SISTER
the hour is peaking and all that was foretold will come to pass .
 

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This whole world is under the sway of the wicked one (the prince/god of this world), as John wrote. It is Satan's kingdom....that is why it is appointed to wrath - for good reason. I'm only recently really realizing and facing just how wicked this world is.......because the rulers of it, the ruling elites, worship Satan/Ba'al/Lucifer in heinously evil and wicked ways...they get their power and wealth from him. That is what Satan tempted Jesus with in the wilderness....all the kingdoms of the world had been given to the devil to rule (when he was Lucifer in the beginning) and he could give it to whoever he pleases. And he is only pleased with those who worship him and do his will. This is why we more often see the wicked prospering with wealth and power in this life more than the meek and humble. Notice that Noah didn't change the world, he rescued souls OUT OF IT so to speak, before the wrath/flood was poured out. Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world.......we are looking for an heavenly eternal kingdom, not an earthly one.

Western civilization, aka "Christendom" has enjoyed only a few generations of relative peace and general prosperity and egalitarian government, only a short space of time in terms of history......just enough to be a witness to the world, I believe, and then the falling away (happening now), and soon after this the end will come.
The world will hate you . I have called you OUT OF THE WORLD .
THE WORLD is not GOING to be saved , ITS GOING to be destoryed and so will all who are OF IT .
We were called OUT OF THE WORLD . Yeah i noticed what you said about noah . HOW TRUE that is sister .
JESUS came to do the same , s o that ALL WHO DO BELEIVE ON HIM , WHO are now of HIS BODY
Will be spared the wrath and destruction of the RIGHTEOUS JUDGMENT OF GOD that will surely come upon this world .
But again many follow and cling to the earthen
for many have had their hopes in men and in the earthern . IT WONT BODE well for those ON THE DAY OF THE LORD .
MANY cling to hagar and to her child , IF YA KNOW what i mean by that .
The alleogory sister of the two .
But hagar and her child , ARE NOT the promised one .
BUT IN ISSAC shall they seed be called . THE HEAVENLY JERUSALEM whom THE GOD and HIS CHRIST sit over . IS THE ONLY ONE .
for both the jew and gentile . The earthen was in bondage in pauls days
AND BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY IT STILL IS IN BONDAGE . ONLY CHRIST can save . ONLY JESUS
must be preached and all things He taught as well as did the apostels .
MEN been fleecing . And the sheep shall not heed them hirelings . JESUS has the sheep and our Kingdom IS HEAVENLY .
 

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This whole world is under the sway of the wicked one (the prince/god of this world), as John wrote. It is Satan's kingdom....that is why it is appointed to wrath - for good reason. I'm only recently really realizing and facing just how wicked this world is.......because the rulers of it, the ruling elites, worship Satan/Ba'al/Lucifer in heinously evil and wicked ways...they get their power and wealth from him. That is what Satan tempted Jesus with in the wilderness....all the kingdoms of the world had been given to the devil to rule (when he was Lucifer in the beginning) and he could give it to whoever he pleases. And he is only pleased with those who worship him and do his will. This is why we more often see the wicked prospering with wealth and power in this life more than the meek and humble. Notice that Noah didn't change the world, he rescued souls OUT OF IT so to speak, before the wrath/flood was poured out. Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world.......we are looking for an heavenly eternal kingdom, not an earthly one.

Western civilization, aka "Christendom" has enjoyed only a few generations of relative peace and general prosperity and egalitarian government, only a short space of time in terms of history......just enough to be a witness to the world, I believe, and then the falling away (happening now), and soon after this the end will come.
if you notice many who go about preaching this we are here to CHANGE the world
DARN SURE have not been preaching JESUS and the dire need to repent and beleive on HIM .
THEIR change is not pointing folks to Christ but to the plan of peace n safety of this world .
And now a word .
BE not given unto change .
OH they been changing all right . chaninging things the bible said , om itting things written
and doing all to CHANGE the image of GOD into something very dark indeed . But they think is love and for
good of humanity and the world . OH many are indeed been given unto change .
And thus always change with the flows of the world . ALways adapting to what the next one up
cliams is truth , cliams is love . YET they have no idea its has led them and is only leading them
from the ONLY ONE who could have saved them and From HIS words . Its not gonna bode well
for many on the DAY OF THE LORD . them change agents brought the wrong change sister .
 

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To Whom it may concern:
As a born from above God fearing, as well as in reverence of ?
I am ASTONISHED by how many (so called) "christians" can be at this time so pacifistic, and YET so ANTISEMITC! MORE than just a little HIGH-MINDEDNESS don't ya think?
Romans 11:
20 Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear:
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
To the DEVIL with spiritual vs. flesh Israel!
What would have occurred had YOU folks been in charge when Hitler was more than willing in carrying out during WW-Twiced, as well as Russia, for that matter, THAT which Iran is intent on carrying out NOW!! Hmmm??!!!
Allow me to offer a little INSIGHT, if you will!
There WOULD be NO Israel!
Spiritual NOR Flesh!!

Deuteronomy 32:
15 But Jeshurun* waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
* Jeshurun includes both Jew, Gentile, and Greek!
20 And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.

Far as I can see? Verse 20 is what is occurring.......AGAIN!!
For THIS is what occurrs when people DON'T learn from HIStory!
They CONDEMN THEMSELVES in REPEATING IT!!

So, let us SEE just WHO will stand up with the LORD of Heaven AND Earth and FIGHT the enemies seeking such GENOCIDE to God's people!

Awaiting the Great AND TERRIBLE Day of the LORD!

Naybor Bear
 

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A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. I don’t want that to happen, but it probably will. However, now that we have Complete and Total Regime Change, where different, smarter, and less radicalized minds prevail, maybe something revolutionarily wonderful can happen, WHO KNOWS? We will find out tonight, one of the most important moments in the long and complex history of the World. 47 years of extortion, corruption, and death, will finally end. God Bless the Great People of Iran!


Sounds as going nuclear.
 
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Wow! Just....wow.

At John 13:35, Jesus told His disciples, "By this all will know that you are my disciples, if you have love among yourselves."
Love would be an identifier of true worship. But it seems no one "will know" from you
So that’s why Christians can’t support Israel - cuz my lack of love.
 

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God allowed it and it happened in 70 A.D. when the last of the Israelites were scattered throughout the whole earth.

Sadly you are a day late and a dolla short.

Preterism is not biblical.


So, as far as God is concerned, it is not about the land as you are suggesting.

It all depends on which "god" you are talking about.


and YET so ANTISEMITC!

Those are tares that are racist against the Jews.

They don't know that the Jews are beloved of the Father


A whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again.

That would be dropping nukes on Iran which is not going to happen.

Trump is just threatening them trying to scare the leaders of Iran which won't work because those people believe they are fighting for their false god and if they die fighting for their false god then they get to go to their false heaven and will be rewarded with 72 Virginians

We need to take over their oil production so they have no money and then the leaders of Iran will be forced to back down since they will no way of making any money and their regime will run out of steam
 

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I was quoting a historical fact without any reference to Preterist notion

As you ignore the rest of God's Word.

Such as God saying He would bring Israel back as a nation which He did in 1948


I am speaking of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

No, you are speaking of the "god" that rejects God's Word which is the devil, the "god" of this world.
 
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because our warfare is spiritual, not carnal. And those who have not received Christ and have not His Spirit are not able to understand:
Not sure what kind of pacifist angle you are working. Satan is spirit and he's destined for the Lake of Fire. Putting aside your false spiritual/carnal dichotomy, that is the righteous use of violence.
 
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