Would you go to your brothers 2nd wedding after he commited adultery?

[Wick Stick]

There's no biblical permission or authority to get remarried if the original spouse is still alive

We don't need specific permission from the Bible to do most things. I'm perfectly allowed to go drink a Dr. Pepper, or to cook a Beef Wellington, despite the Bible's silence on the matters.

I think a better question is whether there's a Biblical prohibition on taking a second wife.

I don't see one. Actually, I see some people taking a second wife without divorcing the first one. That doesn't seem like a good idea to me, but it isn't verboten.

He should be believing the Lord for reconciliation and be remaining unmarried.

He shouldn't be seeking a reconciliation after his wife divorced him for legitimate cause. I think that actually might be prohibited. If it isn't, it ought to be... he shouldn't be harassing his ex.

Besides, I thought it was the guy that cheated on his wife and is a whoremonger?

His fault, yeah. There is, however, a difference between sinning once, and living in a state of sin. I would think that marrying the new woman is meant to be corrective in this regard. I am fairly certain that the Bible orders a man who takes a woman's virginity unforced, to actually marry the woman. (If forced, he gets stoned).

 

[PS95]

I think the guy in the video is talking about his family brother

A sibling not a believer? Well, sure, I would go then.
The world is going to act like the world.
We are not to judge them. We are to witness to them and pray for them.
I have a feeling that the pastor in your video also assumed he meant brother in Christ and not an unbelieving sibling. Paul make a distinction. We are not to just ignore unrepentant sins amongst those in Christ.
1 Corinthians 5:9-13

9I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people. 10Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.
12For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? 13But those who are outside God judges. Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

 

[Dan Clarkston]

We don't need specific permission from the Bible to do most things.

I see so it's all good to not follow the will of the Lord as He has laid out in His Word as He has provided concerning marriage?

I think a better question is whether there's a Biblical prohibition on taking a second wife.

It's called adultery if the first wife is still living and as such is living in continual sin refusing to repent.

If a man's wife passes on, or a woman's husband passes on, only then are they able to get remarried without it being sinful behavior.

I don't see one.

God's view point is the only One that matters to those that actually love the Lord who want to live for Him.

He shouldn't be seeking a reconciliation after his wife divorced him for legitimate cause.

Yeah, he should go ahead and get remarried and live in sin. Yeah, that's the ticket

There is, however, a difference between sinning once, and living in a state of sin.

If he gets remarried he will be living in a state of continual sin (adultery)

Of course we are living in the age of greasy grace and some believe it's all good to not follow the will of the Lord

They'll be shocked when they die and go south, but oh well that's there problem.

 

[Lambano]

I see the financial thing frequently. I always wonder just how official it needs to be. Does it really need the government's approval? How about the church's? What if the two people just stand in a living room in front of some friends and pledge themselves to each other? That good enough?

Well, you do need that marriage license if you intend on filing your income taxes with "Married filing jointly" status. (They're due next week.)

I'm also told it makes estate planning a little simpler.

 

[Wick Stick]

Well, you do need that marriage license if you intend on filing your income taxes with "Married filing jointly" status. (They're due next week.)

Usually that's the reason not to do it. A couple gets divorced, one of them gets the kids, and usually some government assistance that may or may not be cleverly disguised as a tax refund. If she gets re-married the assistance generally goes away

 

[Wick Stick]

I see so it's all good to not follow the will of the Lord as He has laid out in His Word as He has provided concerning marriage?

It's called adultery if the first wife is still living and as such is living in continual sin refusing to repent.

If a man's wife passes on, or a woman's husband passes on, only then are they able to get remarried without it being sinful behavior.

God's view point is the only One that matters to those that actually love the Lord who want to live for Him.

Yeah, he should go ahead and get remarried and live in sin. Yeah, that's the ticket

If he gets remarried he will be living in a state of continual sin (adultery)

Of course we are living in the age of greasy grace and some believe it's all good to not follow the will of the Lord

They'll be shocked when they die and go south, but oh well that's there problem.

You make a lot of assertions, but there's nothing backing them up. What the Bible actually says is different from what you're saying.

I think you're just repeating something a pastor said to you once.

 

[PS95]

You make a lot of assertions, but there's nothing backing them up. What the Bible actually says is different from what you're saying.

I think you're just repeating something a pastor said to you once.

What is it that you make of 1 Corinthians 5? Paul was pretty clear there to me.

 

[Grailhunter]

If you agree with the Pastor then how about this. Would you go to your brothers wedding knowing that they have had sex already? Because if you use the pastors logic then you should not attend that wedding either because the bible says you shouldn't have sex outside of marriage.

False beliefs have unbelievable power and cause harm.
Actually the scriptures never say you have to have a wedding ceremony to be married. For thousands of years people coupled up to be married and could not be married until they coupled up---sex.--- For the Jews it was the bridal chamber. Even today if you do not have sex after a wedding ceremony they can get the marriage annulled.
Up to the 17th century wedding ceremonies were voluntary and originate from the Pagans. Modern wedding ceremonies still have Pagan rituals embedded them. The Gentiles brought wedding ceremonies into Christianity.
In the 17th century the Protestants made church weddings a requirement to be married. Which I think is a good thing.

This topic goes deep.....Two people that are living together are not living in sin.....they are married.
Casual sex is a sin but it gets worse because if they have sex with someone else it is adultery.

Another false belief is that divorce is a process in Christianity. It is not. The topic of divorce in the Gospels was between Yeshua --- a Jew, with other Jews, about the Mosaic Law which permitted a letter of divorce. No letter of divorce in Christianity. And there was no telling how many wives those Jews had.....Polygamy.

The topic of divorce---put away---gets complicated. Polygamy was never stopped by the scriptures, so it gets a little sexist for our times. Technically and man can still have more than one wife and a woman can leave her husband but cannot remarry. If that fair? I do not thinks so.

As a custom Christianity mostly ended this a few centuries ago and I agree. But it is still kind of a sticky wicket.
If a man sneaks around and has sex with another woman we call that adultery.
But if he told her he was taking another wife....that would not be adultery....but against the law in most states and against our Christian customs. But is it a sin?

To address your story....Very few people get married before having sex first. If they do, they are married and have a ceremony to celebrate the marriage. And anytime there is a divorce there is usually two sides to the story. A lot of reasons for divorce but it usually occurs between two good people that fell out of love for one reason or the other. Why not get a divorce first before having sex with another woman? A lot of reasons for that too.

I am kind of a hard liner on this, in the old days they killed people for committing adultery. Today I think they should get prison time.

Ya so I would say go to his wedding.....just punch him in the nose first.

 

[Wick Stick]

What is it that you make of 1 Corinthians 5? Paul was pretty clear there to me.

It prohibits fornication and especially incest. Do you see something there about divorce? I don't

 

[PS95]

It prohibits fornication and especially incest. Do you see something there about divorce? I don't

That's all you get out of that chapter? No, it isn't about divorce. I didn't say it was.
Adultery is obviously fornication though, which lead to the divorce in the OP.
But the OP was flawed because no one was clear on whether the "brother" was a just a sibling or a brother in Christ.

 

[Berean]

I didn't go to his first wedding

 

[PS95]

@Wick Stick - it's not a long chapter and very clear.-- 1 Cor 5

1It is actually reported that there is immorality among you, and immorality of such a kind as does not exist even among the Gentiles, that someone has his father’s wife. 2You have become arrogant and have not mourned instead, so that the one who had done this deed would be removed from your midst.
3For I, on my part, though absent in body but present in spirit, have already judged him who has so committed this, as though I were present. 4In the name of our Lord Jesus, when you are assembled, and I with you in spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus, 5I have decided to deliver such a one to Satan for the destruction of his flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
6Your boasting is not good. Do you not know that a little leaven leavens the whole lump of dough? 7Clean out the old leaven so that you may be a new lump, just as you are in fact unleavened. For Christ our Passover also has been sacrificed. 8Therefore let us celebrate the feast, not with old leaven, nor with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
9I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

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[Wick Stick]

That's all you get out of that chapter?

It's a one sentence synopsis. I don't wish to give a doctoral thesis on this chapter any more than you want to hear me give one.

No, it isn't about divorce. I didn't say it was.

What is your point? It would be helpful if you just stated it. I'm not much of a mind-reader

Adultery is obviously fornication though, which lead to the divorce in the OP.
But the OP was flawed because no one was clear on whether the "brother" was a just a sibling or a brother in Christ.

Right. The situation as I see it:

A wife divorced her husband for cheating. The New Testament allows this. This doesn't exonerate the man, but it does make him legally un-married.

The husband married the woman he was cheating with. This seems to be an attempt to NOT fornicate, but instead have a legitimate monogamous relationship. Both of them are single. I don't see that this marriage is a problem, though there will be a lot of whispering in the pews at the ceremony.

For some reason that he hasn't explained, @Dan Clarkson argues that this marriage is unallowable, and is fornication, or that it causes fornication. Perhaps you wish to take up his cause and give it a good Biblical defense?

 

[PS95]

It's a one sentence synopsis. I don't wish to give a doctoral thesis on this chapter any more than you want to hear me give one.

1 Cor 5? 13 verses short and to the point? Did you read it?
I would not have asked if I wasn't interested. Most Christians ignore it. It's become a real a problem in the churches.

We see churches being totally taken over by immoral people/teachings and we wonder why? Near me, both the Methodist and Lutheran churches are overtaken by practicing very vocal homosexuals in the pulpit. They don't preach Christ- they are preaching pride.

Many Christians seem to say "Oh I sin, therefore I can't point out the sins of anyone else" Baloney! We are to repent of our sins and we are to judge those in the church who refuse to repent of their sins. If they refuse he/she is to be removed. That is what the scriptures say Clear as can be.. A person who refuses to repent and wants to continue to live in sins is not walking to please the Lord- which we are called to do.

Not long ago, I did know of a woman who was asked to leave the church. She wanted the church to excuse her because she wanted to leave her husband of 18 years and three children to marry another woman. They counseled her and she would not budge so she was told to leave. They did what they should have done according to Paul. It's not about acting as if you have no sins or that everyone should live how YOU think they should- it is about being gratefully washed clean and now obedience. That's how it was in Paul's day and is how it is to be today.
Most churches today just look the other way at sin.

I think a better question is whether there's a Biblical prohibition on taking a second wife

Just so we are on the same page- this has nothing to do with the OP video unless you think the man in the video was speaking about a brother in Christ and not just an unbelieving sibling. It makes all the difference.

Luke 16:18
"Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery"
1 Cor 7
10But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 11(but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.

Matt 5-31-32
"It has also been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, brings adultery upon her. And he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery" .

Matthew 19-
3Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?” 4And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, 5and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’? 6“So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” 7They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?” 8He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. 9“And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Mark 10-
2Some Pharisees came up to Jesus, testing Him, and began to question Him whether it was lawful for a man to divorce a wife. 3And He answered and said to them, “What did Moses command you?” 4They said, “Moses permitted a man TO WRITE A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY.” 5But Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6“But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. 7“FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, 8AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9“What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”

I don't see one. Actually, I see some people taking a second wife without divorcing the first one. That doesn't seem like a good idea to me, but it isn't verboten.

You see a more polygamy than divorce ? Is that a joke? LDS?

He shouldn't be seeking a reconciliation after his wife divorced him for legitimate cause. I think that actually might be prohibited. If it isn't, it ought to be... he shouldn't be harassing his ex.

Nowhere did the video say she divorced him. It says they got a divorce.
Seeking reconciliation is actually what Paul said to do. He said not to remarry but seek to be reconciled.
1 Cor 7-
10But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 11(but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.

His fault, yeah. There is, however, a difference between sinning once, and living in a state of sin. I would think that marrying the new woman is meant to be corrective in this regard. I am fairly certain that the Bible orders a man who takes a woman's virginity unforced, to actually marry the woman. (If forced, he gets stoned).

Yes, there is a difference between a sin and practicing sin. But neither of us have any way of knowing anything about his lifestyle. That's why when I thought it referred to a brother- in Christ - wrote that I would sit and talk with him about the pertinent scriptures. Hearing what he has to say to the scriptures would reveal his heart better.
It doesn't matter if he comes to church on Sundays- many do who don't care to walk the walk.
Just because he is now marrying the mistress doesn't mean a thing with regard to repentance. Pagans & atheists marry too.
We are called to be holy.
Jesus accepts us filthy in sin and washes us clean- and we are to walk in a manner worthy of Him and put to death the deeds of the flesh by the spirit. We have all we need. Too many stop short and just feel that a prayer and I'm saved- is all there is to it.
It's as if someone tore half of the NT out of their bibles.

 

[Grailhunter]

"Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery"

Luke 10? Luke 16:18

1 Cor 7-10 But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 11(but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.

This one I cannot blame on the KJV. The word divorce is not in this scripture it is "cannot send away"

 

[PS95]

Luke 10? Luke 16:18

thank you- yes, 16:18 sorry my mistake. - I just edited to fix it.

This one I cannot blame on the KJV. The word divorce is not in this scripture it is "cannot send away"

It's NASB and is the same in NKJV, and most others-
kjv- has putteth away- which means divorce.

here are a zillion bible translations of it-

Luke 16:18 Parallel: Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

 

[Wick Stick]

1 Cor 5? 13 verses short and to the point? Did you read it?

I did. I find that actually reading the passages in question puts me ahead of many posters, who don't.

I would not have asked if I wasn't interested. Most Christians ignore it. It's become a real a problem in the churches.

We see churches being totally taken over by immoral people/teachings and we wonder why? Near me, both the Methodist and Lutheran churches are overtaken by practicing very vocal homosexuals in the pulpit. They don't preach Christ- they are preaching pride.

Many Christians seem to say "Oh I sin, therefore I can't point out the sins of anyone else" Baloney! We are to repent of our sins and we are to judge those in the church who refuse to repent of their sins. If they refuse he/she is to be removed. That is what the scriptures say Clear as can be.. A person who refuses to repent and wants to continue to live in sins is not walking to please the Lord- which we are called to do.

Not long ago, I did know of a woman who was asked to leave the church. She wanted the church to excuse her because she wanted to leave her husband of 18 years and three children to marry another woman. They counseled her and she would not budge so she was told to leave. They did what they should have done according to Paul. It's not about acting as if you have no sins or that everyone should live how YOU think they should- it is about being gratefully washed clean and now obedience. That's how it was in Paul's day and is how it is to be today.
Most churches today just look the other way at sin.

This comes back to what I said earlier about the difference between sinning and choosing to live in sin. The man who chooses to live in sin SHOULD be put out. The man who sins and repents should be reconciled. We seem to see the example in the original post differently.

Just so we are on the same page- this has nothing to do with the OP video unless you think the man in the video was speaking about a brother in Christ and not just an unbelieving sibling. It makes all the difference.

I took it to mean a literal sibling, but not unbelieving.

Luke 16:18
"Everyone who divorces his wife and marries another woman commits adultery, and he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery"
1 Cor 7
10But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 11(but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.

Matt 5-31-32
"It has also been said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife must give her a certificate of divorce.’ But I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, brings adultery upon her. And he who marries a divorced woman commits adultery" .

Matthew 19-
3Some Pharisees came to Jesus, testing Him and asking, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any reason at all?” 4And He answered and said, “Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE, 5and said, ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’? 6“So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.” 7They said to Him, “Why then did Moses command to GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY?” 8He said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart Moses permitted you to divorce your wives; but from the beginning it has not been this way. 9“And I say to you, whoever divorces his wife, except for immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

Mark 10-
2Some Pharisees came up to Jesus, testing Him, and began to question Him whether it was lawful for a man to divorce a wife. 3And He answered and said to them, “What did Moses command you?” 4They said, “Moses permitted a man TO WRITE A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE AND SEND her AWAY.” 5But Jesus said to them, “Because of your hardness of heart he wrote you this commandment. 6“But from the beginning of creation, God MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE. 7“FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER, 8AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH; so they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9“What therefore God has joined together, let no man separate.”

Let's put the OT commands in context. Moses allowed divorce as a way of saving lives. The alternative was that unfaithful wives were stoned to death, or husbands who could no longer abide a nagging wife literally murdered the troublesome wife. Divorce was meant to be a mercy; an alternative to death.

Matthew 5 and 19 both frame unfaithfulness as an exception. The spouse who puts away their unfaithful partner is held blameless. That IS the case in the original post. This divorce is not frivolous.

You see a more polygamy than divorce ? Is that a joke? LDS?

Not LDS. Not a joke either. Neither the OT nor NT forbids polygamy.

The case for divorce in the Bible is NOT that one wants another wife, so the old one must go. It's that the old wife is so pernicious that the husband wishes her to be gone such that he is willing to cast her into a life of either homelessness or prostitution. Out on the street. That seems evil and is rightly condemned.

Nowhere did the video say she divorced him. It says they got a divorce.

I did make an assumption here. I feel that assumption best reflects what likely happened.

Seeking reconciliation is actually what Paul said to do. He said not to remarry but seek to be reconciled.
1 Cor 7-
10But to the married I give instructions, not I, but the Lord, that the wife should not leave her husband 11(but if she does leave, she must remain unmarried, or else be reconciled to her husband), and that the husband should not divorce his wife.

Yes, but as already stated, unfaithfulness is the exception, and is the case in this scenario.

Yes, there is a difference between a sin and practicing sin. But neither of us have any way of knowing anything about his lifestyle. That's why when I thought it referred to a brother- in Christ - wrote that I would sit and talk with him about the pertinent scriptures. Hearing what he has to say to the scriptures would reveal his heart better.

Yes, we seem to have made different assumptions about the man. I see him as someone who has erred, but is trying to come back to living in a righteous state. You seem to have assumed the opposite.

Just because he is now marrying the mistress doesn't mean a thing with regard to repentance. Pagans & atheists marry too.

I think it does. A womanizer doesn't marry his mistresses.

What pagans and atheists do is irrelevant. They are capable of good as well as evil.

 

[Grailhunter]

It's NASB and is the same in NKJV, and most others-
kjv- has putteth away- which means divorce.

here are a zillion bible translations of it-
Luke 16:18 Parallel: Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery.

Greetings...
Like I said I cannot blame the KJV on this one.
That is why a Theologian has to know the scriptures and a little history.
The only time you will see the word divorce in the New Testament scriptures is in the four Gospels because it pertains to the Jews and Mosaic Law. When you read the discussion in the Gospels on divorce you have to keep it context. It is a discussion among Jews about divorce and the Mosaic Law and we do not know how many wives these Jews had.
Christianity did not adopt the letter of divorcement...
Like I said the scriptures refer to breaking up as put away or leaving. No religious or civil case and neither is good. But the rules for men and women in these instances are different.
From there Christian history and civil history changed things.
Protestant made a church wedding a requirement to be married and as history moved along it became a civil contract. So now divorce is a court case.

 

[Triumph1300]

A womanizer doesn't marry his mistresses.

I can give you a well known example.
But I don't want to side track the discussion....
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[PS95]

I did. I find that actually reading the passages in question puts me ahead of many posters, who don't.

and again all you get from it is it prohibits fornication and incest?
side note- I never noticed incest in those passages- maybe you assumed, he was sleeping with his mother / father's wife. I assumed father's wife not necessarily his actual mother.
I get much more out of it- Paul specifically prohibits believers from associating with someone who claims to be a Christian but who is..
.here ya once more- This is the point I have been trying to make-

10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? 13But those who are outside, God judges. REMOVE THE WICKED MAN FROM AMONG YOURSELVES.

then we get the question--- well, how many times did he cheat on his wife etc etc blah blah
which is why I listed the divorce verses.
The scriptures are very clear about divorce and how God hates it- and that divorced persons should not be looking to remarry.
Instead be reconciled.. or remain alone. Marriage is very holy to God. We don't have that view these days.
In our century - we think we are more sophisticated than that now. So many are divorcing that to us- it's the norm. that doesn't make it right. It doesn't make it suddenly scriptural.
Then we hear of abusive spouses- yes that is horrible and they should be safe - and depart- but not to remarry.
I don't see where it says if the divorce isn't your fault that you are free to remarry. Only death does that.
I never said it seemed fair. I am just the messenger! It says what it says.
Your mileage may vary, and I know full well that many here don't agree but it isn't me they aren't agreeing with.
God still calls it adultery to remarry if your spouse is alive.
Due to the hardness of our hearts so we don't have people killing each other to marry another- should we now allow divorces like Moses? Seems we do.
It does not mean that God approves. I can't find it written anywhere...

This comes back to what I said earlier about the difference between sinning and choosing to live in sin. The man who chooses to live in sin SHOULD be put out. The man who sins and repents should be reconciled. We seem to see the example in the original post differently.

Of course there is a difference. It was a video and we only know so much.. that's why I wrote that I would have to speak with him more to understand him better. Nothing in the video indicated any repentance. I am more than willing to be fair minded and merciful. We all need that.

I took it to mean a literal sibling, but not unbelieving.

Yeah I think everyone took it how they took it. That's why I asked the OP poster later- who said just a sibling.. I think we all took it to mean different things. I think the pastor in the video took it as a believer.

Let's put the OT commands in context. Moses allowed divorce as a way of saving lives. The alternative was that unfaithful wives were stoned to death, or husbands who could no longer abide a nagging wife literally murdered the troublesome wife. Divorce was meant to be a mercy; an alternative to death.

Matthew 5 and 19 both frame unfaithfulness as an exception. The spouse who puts away their unfaithful partner is held blameless. That IS the case in the original post. This divorce is not frivolous.

Not LDS. Not a joke either. Neither the OT nor NT forbids polygamy.

How is that even legal? I know in my state it isn't.
The bible does speak to having elders one wife etc. It is not the topic, but it's in there. Also speaks about widows being married once. It's there. I see no polygamy in the NT. none.

The case for divorce in the Bible is NOT that one wants another wife, so the old one must go. It's that the old wife is so pernicious that the husband wishes her to be gone such that he is willing to cast her into a life of either homelessness or prostitution. Out on the street. That seems evil and is rightly condemned.

That's clearly against God's command to love your wife as Christ loves the church.

I did make an assumption here. I feel that assumption best reflects what likely happened.

Who knows? He may have cheated on her and left her for the mistress. Sounds plausible.

Yes, but as already stated, unfaithfulness is the exception, and is the case in this scenario.

Agree. But since we don't know if he even attempted to make things right- we can't say.

Yes, we seem to have made different assumptions about the man. I see him as someone who has erred, but is trying to come back to living in a righteous state. You seem to have assumed the opposite.

I made no assumptions. I wrote that I would have to speak with him and discuss the pertinent scriptures in order to understand where he is. Getting married is no real indicator of anything. People marry and divorce constantly.

I think it does. A womanizer doesn't marry his mistresses.

Wanna bet?!!!

What pagans and atheists do is irrelevant. They are capable of good as well as evil.

hmm It's relevant in my mind- that's the point- marrying isn't an indicator of a thing inside a person. Axe murderers marry. Many marry for wrong reasons.
My issue with the whole thing is simple. Too many in the church today seem to let sin just roll off their backs- their own or others- hey we are all sinners is the motto! Yes we are- stay humble but don't allow sin. The scriptures tell a very different story. Sin is serious before coming to Christ, and is expected to be far less for those in Christ who are being transformed into His likeness- by the Spirit given to us- we are to put deeds of the flesh to death. We are to be holy and we are to live in a righteous way of life.
There are many false teachers today who say that what we do once we believe doesn't matter. Of course it matters. We should be encouraging one another and helping each other- strengthening each other and never approve of sin. Never shy from it- but call it out in love. If he/she repents- wonderful! If not- well there is a problem for the church to decide. Both Paul and Jesus spoke of this.
Pornea in the bible is a huge thing. It covers all sexual sins- God seems to especially hate sexual sins.- have you ever noticed that too? It is mentioned an awful lot... That's a tough one for many- especially in the culture we live in now.
Ok well I think this convo has teetered out.. we all took the video differently and it wasn't much to go on.