Taken
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Making up lie and attempting to blame another for your lie…is nothing to be cutesy about.
Is it okay to blame God for stuff that is his fault?
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Making up lie and attempting to blame another for your lie…is nothing to be cutesy about.
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God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment; And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly; - 2 Peter 2
And so we have an old world filled with millions of people and millions of rebellious angels... And only eight humans survived it. Was this fair to all those who did not survive it? Why not strive to live like Noah and figure all that out in the afterlife?
And so we have an old world filled with millions of people and millions of rebellious angels... And only eight humans survived it. Was this fair to all those who did not survive it? Why not strive to live like Noah and figure all that out in the afterlife?
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Taken
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Of course , because I know the difference between “IS” a spirit And “HAS” a spirit.
Men HAVE a spirit.
Your body, your soul, your spirit, are expressly distinct parts of the Whole of “A” man.
God “IS” A Spirit.
God “HAS” a Body.
God “HAS” a Soul.
God “HAS” seven Spirits.
Angels “ARE” Spirits.
Angels “HAVE” a Body.
Angels “HAVE” a Soul.
Men “ARE” a Body.
Men “HAVE” a Soul.
Men “HAVE” a Spirit.
Animals “ARE” a Body.
Animals “HAVE” a Soul.
A man to be IN Gods IMAGE … is to have a Body, with head, trunk, arms, legs, walk upright.
To be in Gods likeness is to “HAVE…”
a body, a soul, a spirit…. Which ONLY applies God and Humans.
You should learn the meaning of those pesky “little words”…
Ex: of, is, as, has, have, are…
And learn, “WHAT” a body, a soul, a spirit of a man…
“IS” …
And “WHAT” “IS”
the Life OF the body of man,
the Life OF the soul of man,
and Life OF the spirit of man.
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Bingo!
So you just proved EVERASTING FIRE! The exact same fate for BILLIONS of humans.
Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
You gave ZERO Scripture. Why would Jesus make up HORROR stories?
Luke 16:22-28 The rich man died and was buried. 23 And being in torments in Hell, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 Then he cried and said, 'Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
The rich man died physically but was very much alive in Hell Fire!
Taken
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That just proved… a Fact about “the Fire”.
Yes. Their “Judgement and Sentence” is Pronounced.”
Yes, the devil, the beast, the false prophet “Are already (before any manKIND), in the fire, shall remain ALIVE in the fire forever, suffering torments forever.”
In Scripture…Humans / mankind, are Not Mentioned, suffering torments forever…
Why do you ADD to Scripture, what is Not there?
Because there ARE no Scriptures of Humans Suffering Torments in a Fire forever!
Jesus didn’t make up any stories…You did!
The Rich man…
His body was DEAD and buried (not in hell).
His departed (out of his dead body) unsaved Living Soul was in hell, suffering torments.
His departed soul, shall remain (temporarily)in torments…
Until Judgement Day.
Judgement shall be Pronounced.
Then … Shall the Life of his Soul…( which IS Gods Breath, Belongs to God, shall Return to God…)
And what REMAINS of that Man?
A Dead Body… no Life.
A Dead Soul… no Life
A Dead “natural Spirit”…No born again Life.
Do tell… where Scripture Teaches the DEAD, know, feel, suffer, Anything…
But I agree " “everlasting Fire”, speaks of a fire that is never quenched."
It's FOREVER!
Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER!
Yeah, FOREVER in the fire.
EXACT same punishment!
Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
See above!
I quoted Jesus. Blame Him.
He died but was quite alive SCREAMING and CRYING for mercy. But he won't get any mercy.
I just did. I quoted Jesus. Luke 16
Why would Jesus warn us of THE FIRE so many times???
Taken
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You can quote Scripture all day long…
If you do not Understand Scripture…You will have the Truth, but know not what it means…
The devil and his Angels “ARE” Spirits, they can NOT Die. They suffer torments IN fire FOREVER… because they can NOT Die!
Now what about Humans?
Do their Bodies, Ever suffer…( temporarily or forever torments IN Hell? )
Temporarily, yes.
Forever, No.
Scripture teaches Human body’s Life is Blood…
Scripture teaches WHEN the Blood, stops moving, pumping the heart, or the Blood is Drained from a Body, the body becomes mortally Dead.
Scripture Teaches, mortally Dead Bodys are Buried, eaten by animals, return to dust.
Living Souls Depart OUT of Dead Bodys…
It is the “Unsaved Departed Living Souls that are SENT to Hell Temporarily”. Many UN-saved living souls have been in hell for centuries.
They like everyone else…Alive bodily men, Saved living souls… unsaved souls…holy angels….are All waiting for Judgement Day.
Judgement Day is the day Everyone is Judged… for their Belief And their Works.
All have their “Sentence” rendered to them.
There after “God Departs all Life” (which belongs to Him), from OUT of UN-saved Souls, and takes and keeps that LIFE unto Himself.
Guess what… a mans body without Blood, a mans Soul without Gods Breath, a mans natural spirit without Gods Seed…. “IS”???
Seems you do Not know…
It IS a Lifeless Body, Lifeless Soul, Lifeless Spirit…
And disposed of, thrown into Flames of Fire, that shall Burn up, return to Dust, be remembered NO More…
If Dead Bodys of man, could feel torment, pain, discomfort…
Don’t you think there would be an uproar regarding the thousands of Dead Human Bodys that are daily, autopsied, cremated, buried, eaten by animals???
God is Just.
God is Graceful.
God removes His Life from an UN-Saved Soul…. To END, that souls (Temporary) suffering.
God NEVER gives to an UN-saved mans natural spirit a born again spirit that (can Never die)…
That Would be cruel to manKIND… to cause human men to Remain Alive and Suffer Forever.
That is Not the case…
UN-saved Lifeless Bodys, Lifeless Souls, Non-born again spirits of Humans…
Are burned up, destroyed, in the Fire … return to Dust
They are wholly, Body, Soul, Spirit…DEAD!
Not forever living as you imply, and suffering Forever.
Scriptural study, teaches the knowledge.
God gives the understand of the Knowledge.
You are relying on a false understanding…
That is also NOT “reasonable” to believe Dead humans will remain Intact, remain alive and suffer torments in a fire forever.
Humans “living or dead” burn up, become dead, in a fire.
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Lots of opinions but ZERO Scripture!
Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
EXACT same punishment!
Taken
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So? You quoted Scripture…but don’t understand it….
The Rich man died and WAS BURIED…
Do you think men bury bodies of Dead men IN HELL?..
Explain, How, you reason, a dead body buried in a Grave, goes / gets to Hell, becomes Alive and Suffers forever…
Or a dead body, goes from a grave to Hell, and suffers, if that body remains Dead.
You highlighted the man was Dead… but… skipped over his body was buried…. But somehow you have him suffering torments forever.
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It means EXACTLY what it says! Why don't YOU understand it?
You conveniently omitted the FACT that he died but was still alive in THE FIRE that Jesus mentioned several times.
There you go!
Taken
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Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
EXACT same punishment!
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Same exact punishment?
How so…?
Unsaved Men are DEAD
Fallen Angels are ALIVE
Really? If you beat a dead horse or an alive horse…
Each horse SUFFERS, the Same PAIN, TORMENTS ?
No they do Not!
Taken
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False claim.
I expressly Mentioned… the Whole of a man…
Body, Soul, Spirit… and exactly what becomes of Each part of the Whole of man, that is Saved or Unsaved.
You say… vaguely… he, the man… ignoring… the whole of man, and each individual life…
Of a mans body
Of a mans soul
Of a mans spirit
Why continue to be vague…?
Speak to what becomes of Each part of A whole man.
No Scripture? I have lots! Jesus warned us several times of THE FIRE! "Death" NEVER means 'cease to exist' in the Bible'! NEVER! Hell Fire is FOREVER!
Dan Clarkston
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Yes and sadly your claim is that God LIED when He said He created man in His Own Image.
God's Word says God is a Spirit so when God said He created man in His Own Image that means God created man like He is.
Only those who disregard the Word of the Lord cannot understand this.
That's your problem right there, you are carnal minded and only understand the things of the flesh
I sure hope you grow up someday and quit being carnal
Some among us are yet carnal and as such they cannot understand God's Word which is spiritually discerned
Their spirit guides have them blinded to spiritual things so they can only think in terms if carnal minded understanding.
Taken
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Sure Hell has fire, and is unpleasantly Hot For ANY “Living” Thing IN Hell EVER experiencing such.
Not news… not rejected.
Unsaved LIVING souls shall experience The Heat. From fires in Hell…Temporarily!!
And THAT ^ is NOT the experience of a man, being THROWN INTO a fire.
Death in context has several meanings…
From “separation from God”… to Ending of Life…to a body no longer a body, but returned to dust.
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Taken
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Gaslighter, I said no such thing.
When you begin with a false accusation, the rest of your comment is irrelevant.
So how long is God gonna cook em?
Why would Jesus warn us of THE FIRE several times????
ZERO Scripture as usual! Hell Fire is "FOREVER"! Jesus said so.
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