This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

[covenantee]

I’ve been following this thread and you quoted Eusebius which got me thinking.



Matthew 24:40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.



The words “shall be taken”<3880> occurs 50 times and can have several different meanings. One meaning is to receive something transmitted, to receive with the mind. If I insert that meaning into Matthew 24:40 it says Then shall two be in the field; the one shall receive with the mind, and the other left.

Eusebius seems to be saying only the worthy people received the information about fleeing. What do you think? Is it possible that Matthew 24:40 was fulfilled and Eusebius described that fulfillment?

According to history it was Christians who fled, which would have included both Christian Jews and Christian Gentiles.

No mention of non-Christian Jews, who probably either didn't hear Jesus' warning, or didn't believe it.

Only worthy ones, i.e. Christians, acted on the warning.

 

[Zao is life]

I've twisted nothing.
The evidence confirms.
The twisting is yours.

You twisted what I was saying alright - twice now.

The only thing the phrase "abomination of desolation" refers to in the Bible is an idol in God's temple.

You can't change the meaning scripture gives to something into something your human imagination conjures up.

IMO your argument is as ridiculous - and blasphemous - as the thought that Jesus was inhabited by an idol.

In the above post I was not even talking to YOU or answering YOU - but someone else who claims that the crucifixion of Christ was the abomination of desolation in the holy place.

YOU chose to reply to my above post about the abomination of desolation with:

To the Judaean Christians just prior to 70 AD, it referred to the Roman armies advancing on the holy city Jerusalem.

They recognized the sign, and fled, and saved their lives.

THAT IS WHEN I REPLIED WITH THE WORDS:

In your opinion. Where does it say that

(a) In scripture; and

(b) in the history of the early church (ECF etc)?

Though you may dig up an opinion of some early Christian author, you won't find it in scripture - because it's not there and is not true.

Though you have now spoken with duplicity again, we were talking about your false claim about the abomination of desolation being the Roman armies marching on Jerusalem - NOT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE DISCIPLES KNEW TO FLEE JERUSALEM WHEN THEY SAW ARMIES GATHER AROUND JERUSALEM.

I have it in higher case for the sake of those who read this thread so they can see your underhandedness.

You have twisted my words again now to make it look like I was claiming that the apostles did not know to flee Jerusalem when they saw armies gathered around Jerusalem.

I will say this again - and without twisting YOUR words or claiming YOU said something you did not say - I will ADD to your words WHAT THE SUBJECT WAS ABOUT THAT YOU WERE TALKING TO ME ABOUT:

To the Judaean Christians just prior to 70 AD, it (the abomination of desolation in the holy place) referred to the Roman armies advancing on the holy city Jerusalem.

They recognized the sign, and fled, and saved their lives.

In your opinion. Where does it say that

(a) In scripture; and

(b) in the history of the early church (ECF etc)?

Though you may dig up an opinion of some early Christian author, you won't find it in scripture - because it's not there and is not true.

Now I will also say again:

The disciples knowing to flee Judea when they saw armies gathering around Jerusalem does not equal the disciples knowing that the temple was going to be destroyed at that time;

and it does not equal the abomination of desolation in the holy place, because Jesus DID NOT ADD:

".. because at that time, when you see armies gather around Jerusalem, you will know that at that time the temple will be destroyed. This is the abomination of desolation."

It's not surprising that you twist what Jesus said by pretending He said things He did not say by adding things to what He said that He did not say. Anyone can see how your duplicity makes you good at twisting what people say.

But your duplicity still gets you nowhere because not only have you made it obvious now that you are underhanded and twist what people say, but YOU have also proved that it is YOU who has added your false claims to Jesus's words when He told His disciples to flee Judea when they see armies gathered around Jerusalem.

I will say this again: It's easy to imagine the type of conversation that would have taken place between two people who had come to believe in Christ between AD 30 and AD 70. Based on what Jesus had said to His disciples 40 years earlier, It would have gone something like this:

Henry: "Lilian, see! Jerusalem is being surrounded by the Roman armies! Didn't Jesus say His disciples should flee Judea when they see it happening?"

Lilian: "Yes! We'd better flee then, immediately!"

On the road:

Lillian: "Henry, Jesus said the temple in Jerusalem would be destroyed. Do you think that the prophecy is soon to be fulfilled?"

Henry: "It certainly seems like it could be very soon, Lilian. But I heard from someone else who passed us on the road that the Romans are still battling to breach Jerusalem's walls. Even if they do - before Caesar for some reason changes his mind - they will still have to breach the temple walls. This is war. Anything could happen. The Jews in Jerusalem may surrender and make a deal with the Romans before anything happens to the temple. Who knows if this is the time that the temple will be destroyed."

You have twisted what Jesus told His disciples by adding meaning to His words that He did not utter. He did not tell them that Roman armies gathering against Jerusalem was the abomination of desolation IN THE HOLY PLACE. Nor did He say anything about the temple when telling His disciples that when they see armies gathering around JERUSALEM, they should flee Judea.

 

[covenantee]

You twisted what I was saying alright - twice now.



In the above post I was not even talking to YOU or answering YOU - but someone else who claims that the crucifixion of Christ was the abomination of desolation in the holy place.

YOU chose to reply to my above post about the abomination of desolation with:



THAT IS WHEN I REPLIED WITH THE WORDS:



Though you have now spoken with duplicity again, we were talking about your false claim about the abomination of desolation being the Roman armies marching on Jerusalem - NOT ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THE DISCIPLES KNEW TO FLEE JERUSALEM WHEN THEY SAW ARMIES GATHER AROUND JERUSALEM.

I have it in higher case for the sake of those who read this thread so they can see your underhandedness.

You have twisted my words again now to make it look like I was claiming that the apostles did not know to flee Jerusalem when they saw armies gathered around Jerusalem.

I will say this again - and without twisting YOUR words or claiming YOU said something you did not say - I will ADD to your words WHAT THE SUBJECT WAS ABOUT THAT YOU WERE TALKING TO ME ABOUT:





Now I will also say again:

The disciples knowing to flee Judea when they saw armies gathering around Jerusalem does not equal the disciples knowing that the temple was going to be destroyed at that time;

and it does not equal the abomination of desolation in the holy place, because Jesus DID NOT ADD:

".. because at that time, when you see armies gather around Jerusalem, you will know that at that time the temple will be destroyed. This is the abomination of desolation."

It's not surprising that you twist what Jesus said by pretending He said things He did not say by adding things to what He said that He did not say. Anyone can see how your duplicity makes you good at twisting what people say.

But your duplicity still gets you nowhere because not only have you made it obvious now that you are underhanded and twist what people say, but YOU have also proved that it is YOU who has added your false claims to Jesus's words when He told His disciples to flee Judea when they see armies gathered around Jerusalem.

I will say this again: It's easy to imagine the type of conversation that would have taken place between two people who had come to believe in Christ between AD 30 and AD 70. Based on what Jesus had said to His disciples 40 years earlier, It would have gone something like this:

Henry: "Lilian, see! Jerusalem is being surrounded by the Roman armies! Didn't Jesus say His disciples should flee Judea when they see it happening?"

Lilian: "Yes! We'd better flee then, immediately!"

On the road:

Lillian: "Henry, Jesus said the temple in Jerusalem would be destroyed. Do you think that the prophecy is soon to be fulfilled?"

Henry: "It certainly seems like it could be very soon, Lilian. But I heard from someone else who passed us on the road that the Romans are still battling to breach Jerusalem's walls. Even if they do - before Caesar for some reason changes his mind - they will still have to breach the temple walls. This is war. Anything could happen. The Jews in Jerusalem may surrender and make a deal with the Romans before anything happens to the temple. Who knows if this is the time that the temple will be destroyed."

You have twisted what Jesus told His disciples by adding meaning to His words that He did not utter. He did not tell them that Roman armies gathering against Jerusalem was the abomination of desolation IN THE HOLY PLACE. Nor did He say anything about the temple when telling His disciples that when they see armies gathering around JERUSALEM, they should flee Judea.

Are you claiming that Luke 21:20 was not the words of Jesus in the Olivet Discourse? Does your gnosis preclude that?

Stop twisting and attempting to deny inspired Scripture.

Neither Luke 21:20 nor I says or said anything whatever about the temple specifically. That's your imagination again, twisting Luke 21:20, and twisting my words.

You twist your own words. Please try to refrain from twisting mine, and from twisting and denying inspired Scripture.

 

[Zao is life]

Are you claiming that Luke 21:20 was not the words of Jesus in the Olivet Discourse? Does your gnosis preclude that?

It's already been seen how your disingenuous duplicity causes you to change Jesus's words and to assert that others have said things they did not say.

One would think that your deception and disingenuous duplicity having already been exposed, your dishonesty would have stopped.

It's worthless answering you. Your deceptive ways are not worth the time. Through your dis-ingenuity you have now once again exposed your words and opinions as being worthless.

Jesus did not say the reason He was telling then to flee Judea when they see Jerusalem surrounded by armies was because there would be wrath upon the temple in Jerusalem. You put many words into the mouth of Christ but you only expose your own dis-ingenuity each time.

 

[covenantee]

It's already been seen how your disingenuous duplicity causes you to change Jesus's words and to assert that others have said things they did not say.

One would think that your deception and disingenuous duplicity having already been exposed, your dishonesty would have stopped.

It's worthless answering you. Your deceptive ways are not worth the time.

Two questions.
Too difficult.
Too bad.

 

[Zao is life]

I simply asked did the disciples state the following

• “The coming of the Lord has drawn near”
• “The coming will be in a little while and without delay”
• “The end of all things has drawn near”
• “It IS the last hour”

You telling me what you believe is meant by the last hour doesn’t answer the question: did the disciples make the above statements.

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?" (Mark 13:3-4).

Circa AD 44: James, son of Zebedee: Beheaded by sword in Jerusalem by Herod Agrippa.
Circa AD 60: Andrew, brother of Peter: Crucified on x-shaped cross in Patras, Greece.
Circa AD 62: James, son of Alphaeus: Crucified in Ostakrine, Egypt.
Circa AD 62: James the Just: Thrown from the Temple pinnacle, then stoned and clubbed to death.
Between AD 64 and AD 67, but before AD68: Paul beheaded by sword in Rome.
Between AD 64 and AD 68: but before AD69: Peter crucified upside-down in Rome.

So Peter, James, and Andrew were not alive anymore by the time armies gathered around Jerusalem.

Matthew and Luke do different things when dating some of the events they are talking about:

-- birth pain -signs --

Luke21:12-24: Luke records Jesus telling them about what the living stones of the New Testament Temple will experience BEFORE any of the birth-pain signs begin to happen, beginning in verse 12 with the words:

"But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake",

and closing with the words:

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof (the desolation of JERUSALEM) is nigh. Then let them which are in Judea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." (Luke 21:20-24).

Not once did Jesus use the word "temple" again or mention what had been the sanctuary of God until His death on the cross.

But Jesus was talking to Peter and James and John and Andrew - three of whom died before anything written about in Luke 21:20-24 happened.

Matthew:

-- birth pain -signs --

See that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

All nations: This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and at that time [tote] shall the end come.

All nations: At that time [tote] shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

At that time [tote] shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Therefore [oun] when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) at that time [tote] let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains ..

(The holy place has nothing to do with the temple in Jerusalem following AD30 when Jesus died and the veil in that temple was torn in two).

.. For at that time [tote] shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Etc

Luke has Jesus dating the events Luke writes about in Luke 21:12-24 before the birth-pain signs even begin.
Matthew has Jesus dating the tribulation of the living stones of the New Testament Temple at the end of the age following the birth-pain signs.

In each case the gospel accounts of what Jesus was saying in His reply on the Mount of Olives are making it obvious that Jesus is concerned for and about the living stones of the New Testament Temple - NOT the temple which ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT He had twice said was going to be utterly destroyed.

The Old Covenant and its temple that represented it are the obsession of later Christians who call themselves Preterists - Jesus was not obsessed with it.

- and Jesus was talking to Peter, James, John and Andrew. By 70 AD when armies gathered around Jerusalem, of which Jesus said THE DESTRUCTION THEREOF would be nigh when His disciples see it, Peter, James and Andrew were not alive anymore.

So why was Jesus giving Peter, James and Andrew signs about the end of the age / His second coming and telling them that when they see armies gather around Jerusalem, they should flee Judea?

THEY ALL WROTE BEFORE AD 70. SO WHEN THEY SAID THINGS LIKE

• “The coming of the Lord has drawn near”
• “The coming will be in a little while and without delay”
• “The end of all things has drawn near”
• “It IS the last hour”

we need to understand that what they said is within the boundaries of Jesus stating that of that day and hour knoweth no man.

BY QUOTING JESUS THE APOSTLES WERE NOT SAYING THAT ANYTHING THAT THEY WERE RELAYING "WOULD TAKE PLACE IN 70 AD",

OR EVEN IN THE FIRST CENTURY - BECAUSE THEY DID NOT KNOW-

YOU PRETERISTS - AND ALL THOSE WHO ARE FROM AMONG THE AMILLENNIALISTS WHO AGREE WITH YOUR PRETERIST INTERPRETATIONS - ALONE ASSERT THAT JESUS WAS TELLING THEM ABOUT

THINGS THAT WERE ALL (including the end of the age which you have conflated with 70 AD) GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE 1ST CENTURY.

BUT THE APOSTLES KNEW THAT JESUS HAD GIVEN

(A) THE TRIBULATION THAT THE LIVING STONES OF THE NEW TESTAMENT TEMPLE WOULD EXPERIENCE AT THE END OF THE AGE

- AS SIGNS OF THE END OF THE AGE; AND

(B) ARMIES GATHERING AROUND JERUSALEM

- AS A SIGN THAT JESUS'S FOLLOWERS SHOULD FLEE JUDEA.

- THINGS WHICH DID NOT OCCUR IN THE LIFETIMES OF THREE OF THE APOSTLES WHO RELAYED WHAT JESUS SAID (LUKE WAS NOT AN EYEWITNESS BUT COLLECTED HIS INFORMATION FROM EYEWITNESSES).

(C) THE APOSTLES KNEW THAT JESUS HAD INSTRUCTED ALL THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS TO WATCH FOR THE SIGNS -

SIGNS WHICH YOU AND ALL PRETERISTS HAVE COMPLETELY BOTCHED UP WITH ALL YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE BY CONFLATING ALL THE SIGNS WITH WHAT TOOK PLACE IN 70 AD

- AND TO BE READY

- BECAUSE THE COMING OF THE LORD HAS BEEN NEAR SINCE THE LAST DAYS BEGAN.

- and Luke dated the things he wrote about in Luke 21:12-24 as things that would take place BEFORE any birth-pain signs even begin to occur, whereas Matthew did not.

If only your questions asked in your ignorance were based less on your ignorance (and your arrogance expressed by your choice of words typed in your ignorance),

and less on lack of understanding (the kind of lack of understanding that is always produced solely in the minds of humans),

and more on what was in the mind of God when Jesus was

(a) on the Temple Mount when He said the Old Testament temple was going to be destroyed; and

(b) On the Mount of Olives when He began giving the tribulation and experiences that the living stones of the New Testament Temple were to endure

- as the signs of His coming and the end of the age.

If only your questions were based less on your ignorance, then you would not continuously falsely claim that your questions "have not been answered" - just because the only correct answer is not the answer you wanted.

 

[Trekson]

Sure.

Matthew 24
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Luke 21
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

I have no idea what you're talking about.

Neither do you.

If the Judaean Christians did not flee, what is the reason that they did not flee?

Try not to respond with bilge, bunk, or bafflegab.

Matt. 24 and Luke 21 are "not" the same. General abominations and desolations which Israel has been through a myriad of times throughout history is 'not" the same as THE AoD, spoken of by Christ about Daniel in 11:31 and 12:11, "not" 9:27. Lk. 21:20-24 is a stand alone prophecy among the gospels that directly deals w/ 70ad. Matthew and Mark don't.

 

[Trekson]

And as he sat upon the mount of Olives over against the temple, Peter and James and John and Andrew asked him privately, "Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign when all these things shall be fulfilled?" (Mark 13:3-4).

Circa AD 44: James, son of Zebedee: Beheaded by sword in Jerusalem by Herod Agrippa.
Circa AD 60: Andrew, brother of Peter: Crucified on x-shaped cross in Patras, Greece.
Circa AD 62: James, son of Alphaeus: Crucified in Ostakrine, Egypt.
Circa AD 62: James the Just: Thrown from the Temple pinnacle, then stoned and clubbed to death.
Between AD 64 and AD 67, but before AD68: Paul beheaded by sword in Rome.
Between AD 64 and AD 68: but before AD69: Peter crucified upside-down in Rome.

So Peter, James, and Andrew were not alive anymore by the time armies gathered around Jerusalem.

Matthew and Luke do different things when dating some of the events they are talking about:

-- birth pain -signs --

Luke21:12-24: Luke records Jesus telling them about what the living stones of the New Testament Temple will experience BEFORE any of the birth-pain signs begin to happen, beginning in verse 12 with the words:

"But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name’s sake",

and closing with the words:

"And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof (the desolation of JERUSALEM) is nigh. Then let them which are in Judea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto. For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people. And they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled." (Luke 21:20-24).

Not once did Jesus use the word "temple" again or mention what had been the sanctuary of God until His death on the cross.

But Jesus was talking to Peter and James and John and Andrew - three of whom died before anything written about in Luke 21:20-24 happened.

Matthew:

-- birth pain -signs --

See that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.

All nations: This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and at that time [tote] shall the end come.

All nations: At that time [tote] shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name’s sake.

At that time [tote] shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall hate one another.And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.

But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Therefore [oun] when you see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) at that time [tote] let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains ..

(The holy place has nothing to do with the temple in Jerusalem following AD30 when Jesus died and the veil in that temple was torn in two).

.. For at that time [tote] shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened.

Etc

Luke has Jesus dating the events Luke writes about in Luke 21:12-24 before the birth-pain signs even begin.
Matthew has Jesus dating the tribulation of the living stones of the New Testament Temple at the end of the age following the birth-pain signs.

In each case the gospel accounts of what Jesus was saying in His reply on the Mount of Olives are making it obvious that Jesus is concerned for and about the living stones of the New Testament Temple - NOT the temple which ON THE TEMPLE MOUNT He had twice said was going to be utterly destroyed.

The Old Covenant and its temple that represented it are the obsession of later Christians who call themselves Preterists - Jesus was not obsessed with it.

- and Jesus was talking to Peter, James, John and Andrew. By 70 AD when armies gathered around Jerusalem, of which Jesus said THE DESTRUCTION THEREOF was nigh, Peter, James and Andrew were not alive anymore. So why was Jesus's giving Peter, James and Andrew signs about the end of the age / His second coming and telling them that when they see armies gather around Jerusalem, they should flee Judea?

THEY ALL WROTE BEFORE AD 70. SO WHEN THEY SAID THINGS LIKE

• “The coming of the Lord has drawn near”
• “The coming will be in a little while and without delay”
• “The end of all things has drawn near”
• “It IS the last hour”

Jesus said of that day and hour knoweth no man.

BY QUOTING JESUS THE APOSTLES WERE NOT SAYING ANYTHING THEY WERE RELAYING WOULD TAKE PLACE IN 70 AD, OR EVEN IN THE FIRST CENTURY - BECAUSE THEY DID NOT KNOW-

YOU PRETERISTS - AND ALL THOSE WHO ARE FROM AMONG THE AMILLENNIALISTS WHO AGREE WITH YOUR PRETERIST INTERPRETATIONS - ALONE ASSERT THAT JESUS WAS TELLING THEM ABOUT

THINGS THAT WERE ALL (including the end of the age which you have conflated with 70 AD) GOING TO HAPPEN IN THE 1ST CENTURY.

BUT THE APOSTLES KNEW THAT JESUS HAD GIVEN

(A) THE TRIBULATION THAT THE LIVING STONES OF THE NEW TESTAMENT TEMPLE WOULD EXPERIENCE AT THE END OF THE AGE

- AS SIGNS OF THE END OF THE AGE; AND

(B) ARMIES GATHERING AROUND JERUSALEM

- AS A SIGN THAT JESUS'S FOLLOWERS SHOULD FLEE JUDEA.

- THINGS WHICH DID NOT OCCUR IN THE LIFETIMES OF THREE OF THE APOSTLES WHO RELAYED WHAT JESUS SAID (LUKE WAS NOT AN EYEWITNESS BUT COLLECTED HIS INFORMATION FROM EYEWITNESSES).

(C) THE APOSTLES KNEW THAT JESUS HAD INSTRUCTED ALL THE DISCIPLES OF JESUS TO WATCH FOR THE SIGNS - (WHICH YOU AND ALL PRETERISTS HAVE COMPLETELY BOTCHED UP WITH ALL YOUR FALSE DOCTRINE BY CONFLATING ALL THE SIGNS WITH WHAT TOOK PLACE IN 70 AD)

- AND TO BE READY

- BECAUSE THE COMING OF THE LORD HAS BEEN NEAR SINCE THE LAST DAYS BEGAN.

- and Luke dated the things he wrote about in Luke 21:12-24 as things that would take place BEFORE any birth-pain signs even begin to occur, whereas Matthew did not.

If only your questions asked in your ignorance were based less on your ignorance (and your arrogance expressed by your choice of words typed in your ignorance),

and less on lack of understanding (the kind of lack of understanding that is always produced solely in the minds of humans),

and more on what was in the mind of God when Jesus was

(a) on the Temple Mount when He said the Old Testament temple was going to be destroyed; and

(b) On the Mount of Olives when He began giving the tribulation and experiences that the living stones of the New Testament Temple were to endure

- as the signs of His coming and the end of the age.

If only your questions were based less on your ignorance, then you would not continuously falsely claim that your questions "have not been answered" - just because the only correct answer is not the answer you wanted.

There will be a future temple as several prophecies show. If constructed as it was, there will be part of the temple that will be called the Holy Place. That doesn't mean "it will be" a holy place, that is just it's name. The temple won't be honored by God, but it will be by the faux messiah/antichrist. Remember at this future time, it's the deception of Israel and the world that counts, not reality.

 

[Zao is life]

There will be a future temple as several prophecies show.

There will be a future temple as several prophecies show

All prophecies regarding "the temple in the future" are fulfilled and will be fulfilled in the 3rd Temple, a.k.a, the body of Christ, a.k.a the church - and there are multiple scriptural and prophetic witnesses to this fact, for example:

The Greek New Testament uses two different words for

(a) the Jerusalem temple structure (hieron); and

(b) the sanctuary of God (naos)

Hierón: The entire temple complex in Jerusalem (always in Jerusalem). It includes the naós (the sanctuary of God) because it enclosed/housed the naos.

Naós: The Sanctuary: Once in the New Testament it's referring to shrines for the goddess Diana (Acts 19:24). In every other verse the word is used, it's referring to the sanctuary of God.

Jesus was not a priest in terms of Moses's law, and hence in accordance with Moses's law, was not allowed into the naós (the holy place, where only the priests were allowed). So it makes sense that without exception, whenever you read of Jesus entering the temple in Jerusalem, the Greek word employed for "temple", is hierón.

Naos is used:-

-- in the temple complex --

Luke 1:9 & 21-22; Matthew 23:16-17 & 21; Matthew 23:35; Matthew 27:5.

-- Body of Christ --
(John 2:19 & 21; Matthew 26:61; Matthew 27:40; Mark 14:58; Mark 15:29)

-- The veil torn -- *

(Matthew 27:51; Mark 15:38; Luke 23:45.)

* After the verses talking about the tearing of the veil in the temple, the first time the word naos is used again, is in Acts:

Acts 7:48a
But, the Most High does not dwell in a sanctuary (Greek: naos) made with (human) hands.

-- naos used for the church & the temple in heaven --

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 & 1 Corinthians 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Ephesians 2:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 3:12; Revelation 7:15; Revelation 11:1-2; Revelation 11:19; Revelation 14:15 & Revelation 14:17; Revelation 15:5-6 & Revelation 15:8; Revelation 16:1 & Revelation 16:17; Revelation 21:22

(The Jerusalem temple continued to be referred to as the hierón following the death and resurrection of Christ - multiple times in Acts, and by Paul in 1 Corinthians 9:13).

The last days and The mountain of the LORD's house

-- Jesus said to her, Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you shall neither worship the Father in this mountain nor yet at Jerusalem. You worship what you do not know, we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such to worship Him. God is a spirit, and they who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth. -- John 4:21-24.

-- And it shall be, in the last days the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow into it. And many people shall go and say, Come, and let us go to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob.

And He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths. For out of Zion shall go out the Law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

And He shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. O house of Jacob, come and let us walk in the light of the LORD. -- Isaiah 2:2-5.

He teaches us His ways

-- God, who at many times and in many ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds, -- Hebrews 1:1.

The 3rd Temple has already come and is fulfilled in and by Christ, who is the "He" in Isaiah who judges among the nations.

And all nations shall flow into it.

-- whom He also called, not only us, of Jews, but also of the nations | Gentiles? -- Romans 9:24

-- (as it has been written, "I have made you a father of many nations") --before God, whom he believed, who makes the dead live, and calls the things which do not exist as though they do exist. -- Romans 4:17

The mountain of the LORD's house. Exalted above the hills.

-- But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are written in Heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. -- Hebrews 12:22-25.​

If constructed as it was, there will be part of the temple that will be called the Holy Place. That doesn't mean "it will be" a holy place, that is just it's name.

"Do you not know that you are a temple [naós] of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple [naós] of God, God shall destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which you are." -- 1 Corinthians 3:16-17.

The delusions that you re under are very strong, I know. Despite your delusions, Matthew 24:15 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 will be fulfilled in the only sanctuary of God that can be defiled by idol-worship - the 3rd Temple, a.k.a the New Testament Temple. Like its biblical type (the abomination of desolation which was placed in the temple by Antiochus IV Epiphanes), it will not result in the destruction of the Temple - the New Testament Temple can be defiled but it cannot be destroyed.

The abominations associated with the coming of Messiah in Daniel 9:26-27 are associated with the destruction of the 2nd temple

- but the abomination of desolation - the idol placed in the 2nd temple (Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31; and Daniel 12:11-12), which is the type or forerunner of the abomination of desolation mentioned by Jesus - did not result in the 2nd temple's destruction.

Matthew 24:15 (2 Thessalonians 2:4) will take place in the only temple that can be defiled by an idol in it - the 3rd Temple, a.k.a the Church.

"And what agreement does a temple [naós] of God have with idols? For you are the temple [naós] of the living God, as God has said, "I will dwell in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." -- 2 Corinthians 6:16.​

 

[Earburner]

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the (national) transgression, and to (This affirms that it is upon Israel and Jerusalem TO fulfill the following tasks) make an end of (national) sins, and to make reconciliation for (national) iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, (escort Christ into Jerusalem after Armageddon for the true triumphal entry) and to seal up the vision and prophecy, (When the next task is done the prophecies concerning Christ and this present dispensation will be completed) and to anoint the most Holy" (As King and Messiah of Israel and the earth as kings were anointed in OT days).

There are no prophecies about the duration of his ministry and as you can see the anointing of the HS is “not” the anointing being spoken, so neither of these qualify as the starting point of the 70th week. There is only one prophecy that speaks of Christ coming as King and that is Zech. 9:9 - “Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. This is at the end of his ministry just 2 - 3 days before his being ‘cut off”. Christ’s death was the last day of the 69th week. In the context of Dan. 9, the 70th week is separate from the other 69 and in Dan. 9:26b we have the prophecy about 70ad so in a linear reading of events, vs. 27 comes at an unknown amount of time “after” 70ad.

Also, considering the vast majority of biblical scholars put the writing of Rev. at around 95ad, John is prophesying about a time well into the future from his time. There are a few prophecies in Rev. that could never be understood until we reached a level of technology that made them possible. If one reads Rev. as some sort of false spiritual writing/interpretation instead of the literal interpretation as it should be, one will not even get close to the truth.

Also telling is the fact that the 4th beast of Rev. 7 wasn’t Rome. The ten horns equate w/ the 5th kingdom of the ten toes from Dan. 2. A proper understanding of Dan. 7:17 shows that these beasts are future to Daniel’s time thus eliminating Babylon as being the first beast of Dan. 7. This should bring one to the realization that the 5th kingdom of Dan. 2 and the 4th kingdom of Dan. 7 has not yet arrived. No gap = no church. It was always part of God’s plan and the 70th week will begin in His timing, not ours.

What most Christians fail to consider and understand about the 70th week is that it is a prophetic period of 7 literal years. Within those 7 years all of the six works of God in Dan. 9:24 were to be finished/fulfilled in the midst of that 70th week, which was 3.5 years.
Jesus literally said that he had "finished" the work that God the Father gave him to do, which was to confirm the (new) covenant.
John 17:4
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Now, when the Messiah was cut off, it was in the midst of that 70th week and NOT the 69th week! But we all do (or should) know that the joint ministry of John the Baptist and Jesus (Zech. 4:14) was for 1260 days (3.5 years). John for 6 mos. and Jesus (in the flesh) for 3.0 years, leaving 3.5 more years still to be fulfilled.
Those remaining prophetic 3.5 years, to be fulfilled in the latter part of the 70th week, were completed by Jesus in the Spirit, as revealed when Paul was on the road to Damascus, while Jesus had been confirming the (new) covenant still with the Early Church. Acts 9:1-5.

 

[covenantee]

Matt. 24 and Luke 21 are "not" the same. General abominations and desolations which Israel has been through a myriad of times throughout history is 'not" the same as THE AoD, spoken of by Christ about Daniel in 11:31 and 12:11, "not" 9:27. Lk. 21:20-24 is a stand alone prophecy among the gospels that directly deals w/ 70ad. Matthew and Mark don't.

Did the Judaean Christians flee?

 

[Trekson]

There will be a future temple as several prophecies show

All prophecies regarding "the temple in the future" are fulfilled and will be fulfilled in the 3rd Temple, a.k.a, the body of Christ, a.k.a the church - and there are multiple scriptural and prophetic witnesses to this fact, for example:

The Greek New Testament uses two different words for

(a) the Jerusalem temple structure (hieron); and

(b) the sanctuary of God (naos)

Hierón: The entire temple complex in Jerusalem (always in Jerusalem). It includes the naós (the sanctuary of God) because it enclosed/housed the naos.

Naós: The Sanctuary: Once in the New Testament it's referring to shrines for the goddess Diana (Acts 19:24). In every other verse the word is used, it's referring to the sanctuary of God.

Jesus was not a priest in terms of Moses's law, and hence in accordance with Moses's law, was not allowed into the naós (the holy place, where only the priests were allowed). So it makes sense that without exception, whenever you read of Jesus entering the temple in Jerusalem, the Greek word employed for "temple", is hierón.

Naos is used:-

-- in the temple complex --

Luke 1:9 & 21-22; Matthew 23:16-17 & 21; Matthew 23:35; Matthew 27:5.

-- Body of Christ --
(John 2:19 & 21; Matthew 26:61; Matthew 27:40; Mark 14:58; Mark 15:29)

-- The veil torn -- *

(Matthew 27:51; Mark 15:38; Luke 23:45.)

* After the verses talking about the tearing of the veil in the temple, the first time the word naos is used again, is in Acts:

Acts 7:48a
But, the Most High does not dwell in a sanctuary (Greek: naos) made with (human) hands.

-- naos used for the church & the temple in heaven --

1 Corinthians 3:16-17 & 1 Corinthians 6:19; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Ephesians 2:21; 2 Thessalonians 2:4; Revelation 3:12; Revelation 7:15; Revelation 11:1-2; Revelation 11:19; Revelation 14:15 & Revelation 14:17; Revelation 15:5-6 & Revelation 15:8; Revelation 16:1 & Revelation 16:17; Revelation 21:22

(The Jerusalem temple continued to be referred to as the hierón following the death and resurrection of Christ - multiple times in Acts, and by Paul in 1 Corinthians 9:13).

The last days and The mountain of the LORD's house

-- Jesus said to her, Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you shall neither worship the Father in this mountain nor yet at Jerusalem. You worship what you do not know, we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father seeks such to worship Him. God is a spirit, and they who worship Him must worship in spirit and in truth. -- John 4:21-24.

-- And it shall be, in the last days the mountain of the LORD's house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow into it. And many people shall go and say, Come, and let us go to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob.

And He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths. For out of Zion shall go out the Law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem.

And He shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning-hooks. Nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. O house of Jacob, come and let us walk in the light of the LORD. -- Isaiah 2:2-5.

He teaches us His ways

-- God, who at many times and in many ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets, has in these last days spoken to us by His Son, whom He has appointed heir of all things, by whom also He made the worlds, -- Hebrews 1:1.

The 3rd Temple has already come and is fulfilled in and by Christ, who is the "He" in Isaiah who judges among the nations.

And all nations shall flow into it.

-- whom He also called, not only us, of Jews, but also of the nations | Gentiles? -- Romans 9:24

-- (as it has been written, "I have made you a father of many nations") --before God, whom he believed, who makes the dead live, and calls the things which do not exist as though they do exist. -- Romans 4:17

The mountain of the LORD's house. Exalted above the hills.

-- But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels, to the general assembly and church of the first-born who are written in Heaven, and to God the judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect, and to Jesus the Mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling that speaks better things than that of Abel. -- Hebrews 12:22-25.​

"Do you not know that you are a temple [naós] of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone defiles the temple [naós] of God, God shall destroy him. For the temple of God is holy, which you are." -- 1 Corinthians 3:16-17.

The delusions that you re under are very strong, I know. Despite your delusions, Matthew 24:15 and 2 Thessalonians 2:4 will be fulfilled in the only sanctuary of God that can be defiled by idol-worship - the 3rd Temple, a.k.a the New Testament Temple. Like its biblical type (the abomination of desolation which was placed in the temple by Antiochus IV Epiphanes), it will not result in the destruction of the Temple - the New Testament Temple can be defiled but it cannot be destroyed.

The abominations associated with the coming of Messiah in Daniel 9:26-27 are associated with the destruction of the 2nd temple

- but the abomination of desolation - the idol placed in the 2nd temple (Daniel 8:11; Daniel 11:31; and Daniel 12:11-12), which is the type or forerunner of the abomination of desolation mentioned by Jesus - did not result in the 2nd temple's destruction.

Matthew 24:15 (2 Thessalonians 2:4) will take place in the only temple that can be defiled by an idol in it - the 3rd Temple, a.k.a the Church.

"And what agreement does a temple [naós] of God have with idols? For you are the temple [naós] of the living God, as God has said, "I will dwell in them and walk among them; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people." -- 2 Corinthians 6:16.​

There is today and there is tomorrow. In the millennium, there will be a temple or call it a church, a palace, a storehouse for the nations to bring their tithes and offerings Christ will be here physically for a thousand years, do you expect him to hover in the air the whole time?

 

[Trekson]

What most Christians fail to consider and understand about the 70th week is that it is a prophetic period of 7 literal years. Within those 7 years all of the six works of God in Dan. 9:24 were to be finished/fulfilled in the midst of that 70th week, which was 3.5 years.
Jesus literally said that he had "finished" the work that God the Father gave him to do, which was to confirm the (new) covenant.
John 17:4
I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Now, when the Messiah was cut off, it was in the midst of that 70th week and NOT the 69th week! But we all do (or should) know that the joint ministry of John the Baptist and Jesus (Zech. 4:14) was for 1260 days (3.5 years). John for 6 mos. and Jesus (in the flesh) for 3.0 years, leaving 3.5 more years still to be fulfilled.
Those remaining prophetic 3.5 years, to be fulfilled in the latter part of the 70th week, were completed by Jesus in the Spirit, as revealed when Paul was on the road to Damascus, while Jesus had been confirming the (new) covenant still with the Early Church. Acts 9:1-5.

The 70th week never began. Christ was cut off on the last day of the 69th week. Dan. 9:24 is for Israel to accomplish, not Christ although he laid the foundation for national Israel to complete them when they will, on a national level, accept Christ as Lord and savior. What was finished was becoming the perfect acceptable sacrifice which was His purpose for being on the earth in human form. The time of his ministry was not prophesied anywhere. He fulfilled the prophecy about His coming as king and messiah, just a couple of days before his crucifixion when Zech. 9:9 was fulfilled.

 

[Trekson]

Did the Judaean Christians flee?

Yes, there are over 200,000 of them presently and they will flee again as Israel is where the a/c will be and where the AoD will occur.

 

[Zao is life]

There is today and there is tomorrow. In the millennium, there will be a temple or call it a church, a palace, a storehouse for the nations to bring their tithes and offerings Christ will be here physically for a thousand years, do you expect him to hover in the air the whole time?

Just read this carefully - because you've never heard anything like this before:

Paul stated that the regeneration of the entire creation awaits the resurrection of the sons of God. Besides this, there is plenty in the Revelation and the New Testament that connects the commencement of the new heavens and new earth to the time immediately following the casting of the beast and false prophet alive into the lake of fire.

But there is also plenty that connects the commencement of the thousand years at the same time.

You need to replace the words forever and ever that you see more than once in the New Testament and in the Revelation with the more accurate phrase to the ages of the ages (which is what the Greek says).

Christ will begin to reign to the ages of the ages when the 7th trumpet sounds (it says so). That's when the ages of the ages begins.

The last three chapters of the Bible mirror the first three.

First three chapters: Beginning of time: God's creation (Genesis 1:1-31).
Last three chapters: Christ makes all things new (Revelation 21:5).

First three chapters: Perfectly good (Genesis 1:31).
Last three chapters: Only righteousness dwells in it (Revelation 21:27).

First three chapters: Tree of life (Genesis 2:9, 16-17).
Last three chapters: Tree of life (Revelation 21:6; Revelation 22:1-2, 14, 17).

First three chapters: Adam given dominion (Genesis 1:26-28).
Last three chapters: The dominion of the last Adam (Revelation 20:4 - also see Revelation 3:21).

First three chapters: Satan's deception - even during the sabbath that began when God rested from His works of creation.
Last three chapters: Satan's final deception at the close of the thousand years.

First result: God prevented Adam and Eve from eating from the tree of life and living forever in that sinful state. Jesus would come and die for our sins, and rise again from the dead. He is the resurrection and the life. He is our life. Eternal life is in Christ.

Final result: "And fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them. And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night to the ages of the ages." (Revelation 20:7-10).

In Mark 9:44 Jesus refers to gehennah as a place "where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

The beast and false prophet were already cast alive into the lake of fire - and what Jesus said about gehennah was a general first-century Jewish belief - we know this because in his discourse to the Greeks concerning hades, Josephus says the exact same thing, saying that:

"In hades there is a certain place set apart, as a lake of unquenchable fire, whereinto we suppose no one hath hitherto been cast; but it is prepared for a day afore-determined by God, in which one righteous sentence shall deservedly be passed upon men."

Josephus wrote that this region "is the destiny of the unjust", to whom he writes "belong the unquenchable fire, and that without end, and a certain fiery worm, never dying, and not destroying the body, but continuing its eruption out of the body with never-ceasing grief."

The thousand years and the New Heavens and New Earth - the ages of the ages - will both commence when Christ has returned, at the sounding of the 7th trumpet. There will be no mortals in it. The rebels you read about at the close of the thousand years in Revelation 20 are those who belonged to Christ when He returned and were raised to life

- but like Adam and Eve, they will rebel against the Word of God and commandment of God when Satan is released at the close of the millennium. Fire will come down from God and devour them and they will be alive forever experiencing gehennah - "where their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched".

"Fear not them which kill the body [soma], but are not able to kill the soul [psuche]: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul [psuche] and body [soma] in gehennah [G1067 geenna]." (Matthew 10:28).

Revelation 20:1-10 are parenthetic verses - the chapter divisions were only inserted into scripture in 1227 AD, in the wrong place in some chapters (and the verses were only added even later).

The Day of judgment mentioned at the close of (what since 1227 AD has been) Revelation "chapter 20" will have already occurred when - as Jesus said - death and hades will deliver the dead to be judged by Him - at the time of His return.

There is only one day of judgment mentioned in scripture when all the dead will be raised - when Christ returns - and Paul stated that the resurrection will fulfill the prophecy "death has been swallowed up in victory". There will be no more death. When Christ returns there will be a resurrection - either unto life, or unto condemnation.

There will be no mortals rebelling at the close of the millennium. They will be immortals - just as Adam and Eve were before they were prevented from eating of the tree of life and living forever in that fallen sinful state - but the rebels of Revelation 20:9 will not die. They will be judged by fire and remain alive forever in a state which is a.k.a 'gehennah', "where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched."

The last three chapters of the Bible mirror the first three chapters - and there are only certain saints who scripture says will reign with Christ - over all the other resurrected, immortal saints - for a thousand years. The 2nd death will have no authority over them. The lake of fire and the 2nd death are the same. ​

 

[covenantee]

Yes, there are over 200,000 of them presently and they will flee again as Israel is where the a/c will be and where the AoD will occur.

Matthew 24 and Luke 21 both refer to Christ warning, and to the Judaean Christians fleeing.

And history confirms that they fled.

So the only way that Matthew 24 and Luke 21 are not the same is by futurized fantasy and fallacy.

No other way.

Posttribbers have the witness of both Scripture, and of history which confirms Scripture.

You don't.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Matt. 24 and Luke 21 are "not" the same.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Yes, there are over 200,000 of them presently and they will flee again as Israel is where the a/c will be and where the AoD will occur.

How do you think people in Judea who are used to today's modern conveniences would be able to flee to the mountains and survive there? Most would have no clue how to survive in the mountains. But, that was not a problem in 70 AD since people knew how to survive without the modern conveniences we have today.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The 70th week never began. Christ was cut off on the last day of the 69th week.

How was the last day of the 69th week AFTER the 69th week? The text says He would be cut off AFTER the 69th week, not on the last day of the 69th week. You are blatantly twisting scripture to fit your doctrine.

Dan. 9:24 is for Israel to accomplish, not Christ

Impossible! Only Christ can, and did, accomplish those things! This is blasphemy!

 

[Earburner]

Did the Judaean Christians flee?

Though many have heard the Pre-mil view about the 70 weeks in Daniel, not many have heard the true understanding of the 70 weeks through the Amil view.

If you can relate to what I am saying in post #230, you all might see Dan. 9:27 this way:
27 And he [Jesus] shall confirm the [new] covenant with many for one week [7.0 yrs.]: and in the midst of the week [3.5 yrs] he [Jesus] shall cause the [temple] sacrifice and the oblation to cease [by His Sacrifice of Himself], and for the overspreading [continuance] of abominations [by the temple animal sacrifices] he [Jesus] shall make it desolate [destroyed/void of God], even until the consummation [the end of time], and that determined [the six works of God in Dan. 9:24] shall be poured [out] upon the desolate [those who are void of God, beginning on Pentecost].
Acts 2:16-17
16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:
18 And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy: