Is it ok for parents to use corporal punishment to discipline their children?

[Armour of God]

Corporal punishment defenition
The use of physical force to discipline children

A child doesn't know where the boundaries are. It is natural for them to push the boundaries to learn where they sit. That's why kids are naughty and that's why parents often have to discipline them in some way or another.

Corporal punishment isn't used as much these days. It used to be very popular and was used by not only parents but teachers as well.

Corporal punishment has been banned by many countries. They say its not good for mental health, can cause serious injury and increase a child's aggression.

Child aggression.
As a kid I used to use physical force against anyone who picked on me or annoyed me. Maybe because my parents used physical force to correct me.
It worked well for me, kids soon learnt if they started me then they would have to fight me, and they avoided that. But then I had to change because that isn't acceptable as an adult. You will soon end up in jail if you keep doing that.

Serious injury can be a problem.
Many parents punched or kicked or used blunt weapons which caused serious injury. If corporal punishment is used it should be used correctly. Using techniques that will not cause serious injury.
My parents used to use a thin branch to whip us with. No matter how hard you swing that whip it cannot cause any serious injury. They also used the open hand slap, but never to the face, and my favourite, the old fashioned ear pull.

It used to make me cry and gave me bitter feelings against my parents. But those feelings would pass over a few days and today I'm not resentful at all. I'm actually greatful that they disciplined me like they did. It was how they were disciplined and it was the only way they knew how to discipline.

Today's generation are very undisciplined and disrespectful, so maybe a good old fashioned spanking would be helpful instead of just grounding a kid which doesn't seem to work so well. Locking them in their room with a TV, or computer, or video games, or a mobile phone is not a punishment at all.

Bible verses that appear to support corporal punishment

Proverbs 13:24
Whoever spares the rod hates their children,
but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.

Proverbs 22:15
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child,
but the rod of discipline will drive it far away.

Proverbs 23:13-14
Do not withhold discipline from a child;
if you punish them with the rod, they will not die.
Punish them with the rod
and save them from death.

Bible verses that appear to oppose corporal punishment

Ephesians 6:4
Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord

Colossians 3:21
Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged.

So what do you think?
Is it ok for parents to use corporal punishment to discipline children?
What are some disciplinary alternatives?

 

[Wrangler]

Corporal punishment has been banned by many countries. They say its not good for mental health, can cause serious injury and increase a child's aggression.

No compelling evidence supports this claim. It’s just a feminized “nice” virtue signaling claim. Because women cannot compete on the violent arena, feminists want to deny it as it offends their delicate sensibilities. If the premise were correct, these same countries would abolish their own police and military forces.

On the contrary, the world is and always will be ruled by the effective use of violence and children better learn this sooner rather than later. Lions and little children can be as aggressive as they want AND need to mentally deal with the reality of meeting a superior force.

The claim is an anti-truth that corporal punishment is not good for kids mental health. What about their life, physical health in learning to avoid it? Kids mental health suffers if they don’t learn violent consequences is a real possibility at any moment in this world, which should guide every decision they make. The goal of parenting is to prepare children for the real world, not shield them from it. Did you see the vid of the woman hammered to death by an illegal? She was mentally oblivious to her imminent death, didn’t even attempt to block the attack. How’s her mental health now?

 

[Wrangler]

This Karen was undoubtedly raised where there was no corporal punishment! She was raised to use her voice when she sees something wrong.

Women and children has NO BUSINESS approaching an armed man acting violently! Men should always be respected, PERIOD. If nothing else, women and children should respect men for their capacity for violence. As one comment post stated,
PLAY KAREN GAMES
WIN KAREN PRIZES.

 

[Taken]

Is it ok for parents to use corporal punishment to discipline their children?

Yes….wisely.
Not in anger.
One Only Warning.
Patience to “calmly” follow through, without speaking.
Appropriate sting, Not beating.

 

[Armour of God]

No compelling evidence supports this claim

I'm not sure which claim your referring to because there was actually 4 claims being made.

1st claim. Corporal punishment has been banned in many countries. This is true

2nd claim. Corporal punishment is bad for the mental heath of the child. I agree there is no compelling evidence for this.

I'm skeptical of the whole mental health narrative. On one hand there are things like psychosis where people hear voices. But on the other hand there is depression, anxiety, ADHD and such, which are just normal feelings and behaviours that big pharma want to medicate people for.

3rd claim. Corporal punishment increases a child's aggression. I haven't looked into it but it would be hard to link one to the other. I was aggressive as a kid but there is no way of knowing if it was just me or if it was from my parents using physical force to correct me. I know cousins and family friends that used corporal punishment and they were no where near as aggressive as I was as a kid. So I agree, no compelling evidence of that

4th claim. Corporal punishment can cause serious injury. This is true of parents that don't do it properly and use too much force. Like a dunken father that punches and kicks a child, I've heard of this happening before. Not every parent is considerate. There are some parents that are off the rails and have no moral standards.
Would you agree with that?

That's why it's important to use correct techniques, you want to sting the child, not beat them up to the point of breaking bones or causing internal damage.
Would you agree with that?

 

[Armour of God]

If the premise were correct, these same countries would abolish their own police and military forces

I think that's taking it out of context. I dont see the similarity. We're talking about corporal punishment not the police or the military. Two totally different issues

 

[Riven]

For what it's worth, I was a kid once, and I hated corporal punishment. So I'm going to vote no.

 

[Lambano]

Is it ok for parents to use corporal punishment to discipline their children?​

If you're an officer, you can use Major punishment instead of Corporal punishment. Generally speaking. But keep it Private.

 

[Wrangler]

2nd claim. Corporal punishment is bad for the mental heath of the child. I agree there is no compelling evidence for this.

This is what I was referring to.

3rd claim. Corporal punishment increases a child's aggression.

The whole idea of punishing children is in getting them to submit to parental authority. So, if Corporal punishment is done independent of this alignment, then yes. Otherwise no.

Let me give an example of a bad punishment, useless work. One story is the mother would make the child put all her clothes in the appropriate drawers. When complete, the mother would take all the clothes out and tell the child to do it again.

4th claim. Corporal punishment can cause serious injury.

Strawman. This falsely equates Corporal punishment with abuse. IMO, one pathway for the devil is to raise children too soft, not dealing with painful consequences at an early age. They never learn no until they are adults. The Trump 2016 campaign showed this at college campuses, where they wore safety pins to let other young adults they would not be exposed with them to idea they were not comfortable with.

You also saw these same young adults not able to handle their candidate not winning.

Corporal punishment is a slap on the butt or face, not breaking bones, NOT “serious injury.” This is an attempt to change the meaning of words, a common ploy of the devil.

 

[Wrangler]

I think that's taking it out of context. I dont see the similarity. We're talking about corporal punishment not the police or the military. Two totally different issues

Nope. Not different at all one little bit. We embrace as a society the use of physical force or not. Military and police are known for causing serious injury. Why exclude them from the analysis? And why focus only on children being the recipients of corporal punishment? Only difference is who imposes the corporal punishment.

I saw a couple of weeks ago a vid headline of a sovereign citizen, who told the judge that he doesn’t consent to go to jail. I wonder how those who oppose Corporal punishment suppose that young man will be taken to jail if physical force is not imposed?

I bring this point up because I’ve also heard those who oppose Corporal punishment oppose using physical force to either restrain the child or take things from the child. You guessed it, more false claims of harmful mental health effects. If a 2 yo grabs something, their power move should go uncontested, lest their mental health from being over-powered destroys their god complex of being sovereign.

 

[GodsGrace]

Corporal punishment defenition
The use of physical force to discipline children

A child doesn't know where the boundaries are. It is natural for them to push the boundaries to learn where they sit. That's why kids are naughty and that's why parents often have to discipline them in some way or another.

Corporal punishment isn't used as much these days. It used to be very popular and was used by not only parents but teachers as well.

Corporal punishment has been banned by many countries. They say its not good for mental health, can cause serious injury and increase a child's aggression.

Child aggression.
As a kid I used to use physical force against anyone who picked on me or annoyed me. Maybe because my parents used physical force to correct me.
It worked well for me, kids soon learnt if they started me then they would have to fight me, and they avoided that. But then I had to change because that isn't acceptable as an adult. You will soon end up in jail if you keep doing that.

Serious injury can be a problem.
Many parents punched or kicked or used blunt weapons which caused serious injury. If corporal punishment is used it should be used correctly. Using techniques that will not cause serious injury.
My parents used to use a thin branch to whip us with. No matter how hard you swing that whip it cannot cause any serious injury. They also used the open hand slap, but never to the face, and my favourite, the old fashioned ear pull.

It used to make me cry and gave me bitter feelings against my parents. But those feelings would pass over a few days and today I'm not resentful at all. I'm actually greatful that they disciplined me like they did. It was how they were disciplined and it was the only way they knew how to discipline.

Today's generation are very undisciplined and disrespectful, so maybe a good old fashioned spanking would be helpful instead of just grounding a kid which doesn't seem to work so well. Locking them in their room with a TV, or computer, or video games, or a mobile phone is not a punishment at all.

Bible verses that appear to support corporal punishment

Proverbs 13:24
Whoever spares the rod hates their children,
but the one who loves their children is careful to discipline them.

Proverbs 22:15
Folly is bound up in the heart of a child,
but the rod of discipline will drive it far away.

Proverbs 23:13-14
Do not withhold discipline from a child;
if you punish them with the rod, they will not die.
Punish them with the rod
and save them from death.

Bible verses that appear to oppose corporal punishment

Ephesians 6:4
Fathers, do not exasperate your children; instead, bring them up in the training and instruction of the Lord

Colossians 3:21
Fathers, do not embitter your children, or they will become discouraged.

So what do you think?
Is it ok for parents to use corporal punishment to discipline children?
What are some disciplinary alternatives?

You'd have to explain what physical force is...
is it pushing someone up against a wall?
Is it hitting a kid on the head with a hammer?
It it using some Karate moves on him?

I will say this:
NO ONE but parents should use ANY type of force on a child...no matter the age.
I used to have a teacher in high school that made fun of kids.
I think this was worse than pushing them up against a wall...
maybe not hitting them on the head with a hammer.

As to the rest...
there are methods...
but we're afraid of them these days so I won't get into it.

And
Let's keep in mind that the kids are now the parents
and the parents are now the kids.

There's some confusion going on that isn't helping kids much.

 

[GodsGrace]

This is what I was referring to.



The whole idea of punishing children is in getting them to submit to parental authority. So, if Corporal punishment is done independent of this alignment, then yes. Otherwise no.

Let me give an example of a bad punishment, useless work. One story is the mother would make the child put all her clothes in the appropriate drawers. When complete, the mother would take all the clothes out and tell the child to do it again.



Strawman. This falsely equates Corporal punishment with abuse. IMO, one pathway for the devil is to raise children too soft, not dealing with painful consequences at an early age.

Gee Wrangler...
whatsamattawhichu?

ANYTHING is better than hitting a 2 year old on the butt !!
He might grow up to be a mass murderer for goodness sakes !!

Or have irreprobale mental damage !!

He might get married and tell his wife to shut up or something terrible like that.

I say let the kid do whatever he wants to do.

Including running into the street from a sidewalk.

If he gets hit by a car....
too bad.

At least he won't have any mental problems when he grows up.

Wait...
There's something wrong with that statement....

They never learn no until they are adults. The Trump 2016 campaign showed this at college campuses, where they wore safety pins to let other young adults they would not be exposed with them to idea they were not comfortable with.

You also saw these same young adults not able to handle their candidate not winning.

Corporal punishment is a slap on the butt or face, not breaking bones, NOT “serious injury.” This is an attempt to change the meaning of words, a common ploy of the devil.

 

[Armour of God]

Strawman. This falsely equates Corporal punishment with abuse

No my friend its a fact. Some parents take it too far. They break bones and cause internal damage.
Corporal punishment can become abuse in the hands of idiots like these



Minor boy injured after alleged assault by drunk father in Idukki's Udumbannoor



https://www.newsnationnow.com/us-news/northeast/drunk-dad-beats-son-nyc-queens/



Father jailed for assaulting his baby while drunk | The Crown Prosecution Service

I could show more cases but three is enough to prove that it does happen. There is no use denying it. Some parents are idiots

Nope. Not different at all one little bit

Police... Military...
I have no idea what your talking about.
We're talking about parents using Corporal punishment. Please stick to the topic.

Why not just ground the kid? That's an alternative punishment to using physical force. Why not leave them in their room for a fee hours without TV or a phone or anything and make them write an essay about what they did and why it was wrong. Or taking privileges away from them?

 

[Armour of God]

For what it's worth, I was a kid once, and I hated corporal punishment. So I'm going to vote no.

Can you elaborate? Maybe you can suggest an alternative punishment for a naughty child

 

[amigo de christo]

Is it ok for parents to use corporal punishment to discipline their children?

Yes….wisely.
Not in anger.
One Only Warning.
Patience to “calmly” follow through, without speaking.
Appropriate sting, Not beating.

Yes not in anger . Seeing it as only a good and necessary need for the good of the child .
But i do agree not in anger .
The problem is that of ten some parents keep overlooking the errors of their child .
Then one day THEY blow their top out of dire frustration and then DO go overboard .
THE KEY is to stay atop on the child . If error is seen correct it .
But never do as did the churches . T hey kept h ollering judge not correct not and leaven took over as a result .
An uncorrected child left to his own is a child that will grow w orse and worse .
SAME with the churches and those who dwell within .
Correction should always have been done from hearts that desired the good of the people .

 

[amigo de christo]

For what it's worth, I was a kid once, and I hated corporal punishment. So I'm going to vote no.

of course i hated corporal punishment . But it works good to the child
if done so through the correct godly way .
Now no present chastisment might feel good but rather grievious
but it will work to the good of those who love God .
Wanna hear something odd . I notice that most of these folks
that are dead set against any kind of coporal punishement
and rather go with the flow of the it can cause mental problems for the child ,
SURE SEEM to be quite confused about gender
about same sex marriage
about how many genders their even are .
And one has to wonder , WHO IS the one suffering from mental problems .
If you spank the child you will not kill him . And while
it was never joyous at all for me to have to spank mine ,
As it was never joyous for me to ever once have been spanked ,
IT SURE do help and sure did help .
Folks act like warnings and etc are so bad for the child
and so bad for even the church
But YOU LOOK at society NOW
go on take a peek at many undisciplined churches .
SIN and evil has taken them over . And what they love is abomination to GOD
and what they hate ARE HIS W ORDS and HIS REMINDERS now .
OH correction is good and very needful .
And as i said , its not joyous to have to do it or experience it
BUT IT IS NEEDFUL .

 

[amigo de christo]

Can you elaborate? Maybe you can suggest an alternative punishment for a naughty child

of course i hated corporal punishment . But it works good to the child
if done so through the correct godly way .
Now no present chastisment might feel good but rather grievious
but it will work to the good of those who love God .
Wanna hear something odd . I notice that most of these folks
that are dead set against any kind of coporal punishement
and rather go with the flow of the it can cause mental problems for the child ,
SURE SEEM to be quite confused about gender
about same sex marriage
about how many genders their even are .
And one has to wonder , WHO IS the one suffering from mental problems .
If you spank the child you will not kill him . And while
it was never joyous at all for me to have to spank mine ,
As it was never joyous for me to ever once have been spanked ,
IT SURE do help and sure did help .
Folks act like warnings and etc are so bad for the child
and so bad for even the church
But YOU LOOK at society NOW
go on take a peek at many undisciplined churches .
SIN and evil has taken them over . And what they love is abomination to GOD
and what they hate ARE HIS W ORDS and HIS REMINDERS now .
OH correction is good and very needful .
And as i said , its not joyous to have to do it or experience it
BUT IT IS NEEDFUL .

 

[Wrangler]

No my friend its a fact. Some parents take it too far.

True but one thing is not the other thing. And you can go out of bounds with anything. Exceptions don't make rules.

For cops safety, should we allow pull overs? Some violent criminals take it too far ...

 

[Wrangler]

Police... Military...
I have no idea what your talking about.
We're talking about parents using Corporal punishment. Please stick to the topic.

You might be talking about a small application of the use of force. I'm not willing to pick and choose its righteousness in the name of "sticking to the subject." And I think you know what I'm talking about.

 

[ProDeo]

As a general rule, corporal punishment of kids is failure of parenthood, words should do.

And on every rule there are those exceptions, for example kids with an autistic spectrum, some of them will drive parents to despair.