Reviving Biblical Christianity (The Way) Part 2

[Episkopos]

Do you find this confusing?

Philippians 3:4-6 KJV
4) Though I might also have confidence in the flesh. If any other man thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust in the flesh, I more:
5) Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a Pharisee;
6) Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless.

Do you really wonder what Law Paul is speaking of here?

Here Paul is talking about the lower righteousness of what men can do. It's just like the rich young ruler saying...these things I have done since my youth. The rich man had asked WHICH COMMANDMENTS? Jesus responded by citing the 5 righteousness commandments (2nd tablet)

"as touching the Law, a Pharisee". What Law would a Pharisee be concerned with? What Law would Paul have followed being a Pharisee?

The holiness laws. Having no other god...keeping the sabbath holy ...big hint, notice the circumcision remark at the beginning of the sentence...(NOT the righteousness law....but ....the FIRST tablet) Holiness laws.

What kind of righteousness? The righteousness that is in the Law. I'm surprised you don't see what is so clearly said here.

Much love!

I'm surprised you can't count all the way up to 2. That's all you need to count to. Two main commandments. Two kinds of love...2 levels of obedience, two levels of righteousness. 2 levels of faith (from faith to Faith). Simple so a child can understand it. But evangelically bent religious people can't count that high.

How many testaments does your bible have? Are there too many to count?

 

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You are not getting the transition between testaments.

We seek not a physical place, but a spiritual one. But you are stuck in between having neither.

Don't act like you know me. You only show yourself false.

Much love!

 

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The holiness laws. Having no other god...keeping the sabbath holy (NOT the righteousness law....the FIRST tablet)

The Law is one thing, as James, and Jesus both attest. You don't have the right to carve the Law into pieces that suit you. Either you keep the Law, "all that you say we will do", the Law and the Prophets, or you are a lawbreaker. That's just the way it is.

Much love!

 

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I'm surprised you can't count all the way up to 2.

Do you consider yourself spiritual? Is this your version of walking in the Spirit? Seriously.

 

[Episkopos]

You are just spinning out words at this point. The parts you are correctly presenting are elementary in Scripture. And you've got unscriptural parts mixed in, but that comes to me with no surprise.


Don't act like you know me. You only show yourself false.

Much love!

This forum is not about you and how special you think you are. We are discussing doctrinal points and a proper exegesis. All you present is what you've been taught in error by men... and it suits your self-love. Any truth that doesn't tally with your own obsession with self you rail against. So yes I know you...better than you know yourself.

You need to LOSE your life to find it in Christ. But your whole bent is based on self-preservation. That goes directly against the message of the cross.

 

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This forum is not about you and how special you think you are. We are discussing doctrinal points and a proper exegesis. All you present is what you've been taught in error by men... and it suits your self-love. Any truth that doesn't tally with your own obsession with self you rail against. So yes I know you...better than you know yourself.

You need to LOSE your life to find it in Christ. But your whole bent is based on self-preservation. That goes directly against the message of the cross.

Once again you've descended completely into pejorative and ad hominem. Your malignant words come as no surprise, and they reveal you, not me.

May God give understanding to your soul!

 

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Proverbs 25:28 KJV
He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

 

[Episkopos]

Once again you've descended completely into pejorative and ad hominem. Your malignant words come as no surprise, and they reveal you, not me.

May God give understanding to your soul!

You are proving my point. Completely? Do I do these videos just to harass you? Or am I trying to wake up the sleep-walkers like yourself?

Once an easy-believism version of the truth takes hold...that's it. Nothing afterward can make a person open their eyes, or think clearly, or read the text or even count. The devil knows people and he knows his work.

The only way out is to love the truth more than self and love not your life unto death.

 

[Episkopos]

Proverbs 25:28 KJV
He that hath no rule over his own spirit is like a city that is broken down, and without walls.

But what I am seeing here is a resistance to the tearing down of religious strongholds. Spiritual warfare begins with tearing down imaginations and every consideration that raises itself up against the actual knowledge of God.

The Spirit wars against the flesh...so you will always take offense.

 

[Episkopos]

Christians should be honest...selfless, and humble. Anyone coming to this thread should at least know what they are criticizing and watch what is being presented before going into condemnation mode.

As in....at such and such a time you said this and you backed it up with this verse...do you have any further evidence for your statement than that? (As in I'm just not seeing it and can't agree)

A respectful review gets a respectful response. Trollers will be rebuked. Hucksters as well. Those who can't count or have no reading skills will be counseled to start over again. ;)

 

[Lizbeth]

Here Paul is talking about the lower righteousness of what men can do. It's just like the rich young ruler saying...these things I have done since my youth. The rich man had asked WHICH COMMANDMENTS? Jesus responded by citing the 5 righteousness commandments (2nd tablet)


The holiness laws. Having no other god...keeping the sabbath holy ...big hint, notice the circumcision remark at the beginning of the sentence...(NOT the righteousness law....but ....the FIRST tablet) Holiness laws.

I'm surprised you can't count all the way up to 2. That's all you need to count to. Two main commandments. Two kinds of love...2 levels of obedience, two levels of righteousness. 2 levels of faith (from faith to Faith). Simple so a child can understand it. But evangelically bent religious people can't count that high.

How many testaments does your bible have? Are there too many to count?

Is there something wrong with being "evangelically bent"....? Surely that is the commission Jesus gave to His church.

The Law was given before Jesus and before the Holy Spirit was given. Surely that counts for something in the lives/hearts of those who have received Him by faith not of our own. A change of the priesthood necessitated a change of the law. Though the law is still instructive and profitable etc, it doesn't apply to the believer the same way as before knowing Christ and being under grace.

But I do consider that we follow the same "pattern" as Israel in our learning and growing......the law and God's discipline tutoring us to Christ in a deeper way than we first received, teaching us to know and understand our need, bringing us to repent on a deeper level.......except we start out on a higher level than the Israelites already.......being under grace, not under the Law, having received Christ and His Spirit within. We are not to seek to establish our own righteousness, but to submit/yield to the righteousness of God within, which we have received through Christ (and in that way HE is glorified, not we)....that is the path we are on, learning that our own righteousness falls short and that we need to be walking in His righteousness. It is deep calling unto deep........the fountain of the deep springing up at the same time the Lord rains down.......until His glory completely covers our "earth"...earthen vessel.

 

[Episkopos]

Is there something wrong with being "evangelically bent"....? Surely that is the commission Jesus gave to His church.

What I was referring to was "evangelicalism" which is the decoy system that undermines the gospel.

The Law was given before Jesus and before the Holy Spirit was given.

The law was and continues to be, the law of God. God gave us His law. So this law is absolutely foundational unless you want to switch Gods...which evangelicalism seeks to do by overturning lawfulness in favour of a salvation scheme that is based merely on beliefs and not on behaviour.

Surely that counts for something in the lives/hearts of those who have received Him by faith not of our own. A change of the priesthood necessitated a change of the law.

A change in the law for holiness, yes. But things like humility, faith, fear of the Lord, honesty....and such....have not changed. If anything these need to be seen and entered into in a deeper way. Evangelicalism puts no value on human righteousness...although lip-service is given to the necessity of obedience in some.

Though the law is still instructive and profitable etc, it doesn't apply to the believer the same way as before knowing Christ and being under grace.

The opposite is true. The law serves as a meter or gauge that tells us if we are indeed walking in God's will. There are many spirits out there. And the law is our measuring stick that determines whether we are throwing out love in favour of a religious hubris.

But I do consider that we follow the same "pattern" as Israel in our learning and growing......the law and God's discipline tutoring us to Christ in a deeper way than we first received, teaching us to know and understand our need, bringing us to repent on a deeper level.......except we start out on a higher level than the Israelites already.......being under grace, not under the Law, having received Christ and His Spirit within.

Agreed. But that higher departure level (regeneration by the Spirit) means we will also be judged harder. To whom much is given... more is required. And we are just as likely as they (the Jews) to be cut off. And more so since we have the bible as a reference for avoiding their mistakes...which my ministry brings to light. What I get is the same unbelief that was exemplified by the Israelites. Their promised land was physical...they entered not because of unbelief. And the New Covenant promised land is a spiritual place in Zion, which is likewise not entered into through unbelief. Modern Christianity is AGAINST the will of God and against the Spirit. People are trying to improve themselves through vain philosophy and religious decoys. Anything but to seek God for the full measure of grace.

We are not to seek to establish our own righteousness, but to submit/yield to the righteousness of God within, which we have received through Christ (and in that way HE is glorified, not we)....that is the path we are on, learning that our own righteousness falls short athe Spirit

Our righteousness is not an end to itself. Our righteousness is supposed to work together with God's righteousness to fulfill His will on earth. God includes us in His works. What is NOT happening is faith in God on the holiness level (The faith OF Christ). Nobody seems to understand that ALL things are possible through Christ who empowers us to act with righteousness IN HIS POWER.

 

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But what I am seeing here is a resistance to the tearing down of religious strongholds. Spiritual warfare begins with tearing down imaginations and every consideration that raises itself up against the actual knowledge of God.

The Spirit wars against the flesh...so you will always take offense.

Then I think you need to start looking at yourself.

 

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Do I do these videos just to harass you?

It's not the video silly! It's the posts you've replied to me with. Examine yourself.

You post your pejoratives to me because I've posted Scripture that is contrary to your teaching. That's all this is.

Much love!

 

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Nobody seems to understand that ALL things are possible through Christ who empowers us to act with righteousness IN HIS POWER.

What makes you to think that? Of course this is so, that God can and does work all righteousness in us and through us. I know as a fact this is so.

Nobody seems to understand? Excepting yourself of course. You are the one who understands what nobody else does. Yet your manner and your claims diverge. That's not good.

Much love!

 

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James 3:9-16 KJV
9) Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God.
10) Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be.
11) Doth a fountain send forth at the same place sweet water and bitter?
12) Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.
13) Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
14) But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth.
15) This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish.
16) For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work.

 

[Episkopos]

It's not the video silly! It's the posts you've replied to me with. Examine yourself.

You post your pejoratives to me because I've posted Scripture that is contrary to your teaching. That's all this is.

Much love!

I've actually gone to the trouble to make a chart and framework that show where the verses you misunderstand fit in.

 

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Philippians 3:4-11 LITV
4) Even though I might have trust in flesh; if any other thinks to trust in flesh, I more;
5) in circumcision, the eighth day, of the race of Israel, the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; according to Law, a Pharisee;
6) according to zeal, persecuting the assembly; according to righteousness in Law, being blameless.
7) But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss because of Christ.
8) But, no, rather I also count all things to be loss because of the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them to be trash, that I might gain Christ
9) and be found in Him; not having my own righteousness of Law, but through the faith of Christ, having the righteousness of God on faith,
10) to know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, having been conformed to His death,
11) if somehow I may attain to a resurrection out of the dead.

You can trust in your lineage, you can trust in your sacraments, you can trust in your "lawkeeping" (self-righteousness), you can trust in your fervency, all these things are trusting in your flesh. It's all about what you do to earn your salvation. But God is not like that. He's not fooled by anything we think or do, He knows the truth, He knows that our justification is in Christ alone.

And so Paul rejects all of these, for the excellency of the knowledge of Jesus Christ his Lord, desiring His righteousness, not the righteousness that is of the Law. Paul doesn't want his own righteousness, he recognized the truth about himself, that he could not somehow make God his debtor.

Some may attempt to parse this passage to overturn it's plain meaning, simply stated, there is no benefit to defending the flesh, and what it wants. We must sacrifice all our aspirations of self righteousness. When we "throw ourselves on the mercy of the court", this is when we find mercy.

Much love!

 

[Episkopos]

Philippians 3:4-11 LITV
4) Even though I might have trust in flesh; if any other thinks to trust in flesh, I more;
5) in circumcision, the eighth day, of the race of Israel, the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of the Hebrews; according to Law, a Pharisee;
6) according to zeal, persecuting the assembly; according to righteousness in Law, being blameless.
7) But what things were gain to me, these I have counted loss because of Christ.
8) But, no, rather I also count all things to be loss because of the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them to be trash, that I might gain Christ
9) and be found in Him; not having my own righteousness of Law, but through the faith of Christ, having the righteousness of God on faith,
10) to know Him and the power of His resurrection, and the fellowship of His sufferings, having been conformed to His death,
11) if somehow I may attain to a resurrection out of the dead.

You can trust in your lineage, you can trust in your sacraments, you can trust in your "lawkeeping" (self-righteousness), you can trust in your fervency, all these things are trusting in your flesh. It's all about what you do to earn your salvation. But God is not like that. He's not fooled by anything we think or do, He knows the truth, He knows that our justification is in Christ alone.

And so Paul rejects all of these, for the excellency of the knowledge of Jesus Christ his Lord, desiring His righteousness, not the righteousness that is of the Law. Paul doesn't want his own righteousness, he recognized the truth about himself, that he could not somehow make God his debtor.

Some may attempt to parse this passage to overturn it's plain meaning, simply stated, there is no benefit to defending the flesh, and what it wants. We must sacrifice all our aspirations of self righteousness. When we "throw ourselves on the mercy of the court", this is when we find mercy.

Much love!

Another strawman that is basically done as a virtue-signalling attempt at self-affirmation. Look to God for affirmation. You won't get it on this thread. A fact that enervates you. Go elsewhere for you affirmation.

Of course you are going to self-justify based on Christ alone. It doesn't mean that God affirms you. I have you on ignore but you keep trolling my threads.

 

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I have you on ignore

That's probably for the best.

Much love!