Trump and Politics

[Dan Clarkston]

And on the other side of the narrow path is over-spiritualization, reaping what you don't sow. 2 Thessalonians 3:10 If you don't work, you don't eat.

In our national guilt, this lack of discipline to fleshy constraints is seen in $39T in debt and $127T in unfunded liabilities. No wonder the 3rd horse of the apocalypse is the collapse of the global economy.

All caused by man refusing to allow the Lord to correct us

 

[Wrangler]

Consider how the roles are being played out before the world. Donald Trump speaks with the language of power, security, war, national interest. Pope Leo XIV speaks with the language of conscience, peace, morality, global responsibility. These are not mutually exclusive forces. They are complementary. One compels. The other persuades. One enforces. The other legitimizes.

This is the very combination that history has shown to be most effective in guiding and controlling societies.

Well written post. I hope you’re right.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Leo XIV speaks with the language of conscience, peace, morality, global responsibility.

Actually the catholics "pope" dude guy represents false doctrine when it comes to teaching others how to get born again and walk with the Lord. He is in error and his teachings along with the carnal minded religious club he represents does not result in people going to Heaven.

Trump does not claim to be leading anyone to Heaven so it's easier to ignore his blah blah verses the false doctrine espoused by the catholics "pope" dude and the carnal minded religious club he represents that fail to teach the Doctrine of Christ.

2 John 1:9
Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.

 

[amigo de christo]

Not my original writing....

THE ILLUSION OF CONFLICT
How THE Trump–Papal Clash Masks A Coming Union OF Power

The present clash of words between Donald Trump and Pope Leo XIV has captured global attention. To many observers, it appears to be a genuine conflict, sharp, public, even personal. One speaks with political force, the other with moral restraint. One advances national strength, the other pleads for peace. And so the conclusion is quickly drawn: "These two powers stand opposed to each other. Surely this disproves any idea that they could ever unite."

But that conclusion rests on a shallow reading of events. History, Scripture and careful observation all warn us that what appears on the surface is not always the true movement underneath. Public tension does not necessarily mean private separation. In fact, it often serves the opposite purpose.

When one steps back and examines these seemingly war of words more carefully, something far more subtle begins to emerge. The disagreement itself is unreal, and its function is hidden. It is not dismantling the relationship between religious authority and political power, it is refining it, shaping it, preparing minds to accept a future alignment under the illusion that such unity would be necessary, even righteous.

Consider how the roles are being played out before the world. Donald Trump speaks with the language of power, security, war, national interest. Pope Leo XIV speaks with the language of conscience, peace, morality, global responsibility. These are not mutually exclusive forces. They are complementary. One compels. The other persuades. One enforces. The other legitimizes.

This is the very combination that history has shown to be most effective in guiding and controlling societies.

In past ages, the union of religious influence and state authority did not begin with open agreement. It was often preceded by visible tension, by moments where the two appeared to stand apart. Yet beneath those moments, cooperation continued, relationships remained intact, and eventually, unity emerged, not as something forced upon the people, but as something welcomed by them.

The present situation follows that same pattern.

Even now, despite the sharp rhetoric, there is no true severing of ties between the United States and the Vatican. Diplomatic channels remain. Mutual influence continues. The apparent divide exists largely in the realm of public perception, where it performs a very specific function: it convinces the watching world that these two powers are independent, even incompatible. And that belief is very important to their end times agenda.

Because when the time comes for closer alignment, especially in the face of a created global crisis, the world will not see it as a dangerous consolidation of power. Instead, it will be viewed as a necessary coming together of former rivals for the "greater good." What once seemed divided will now unite, and that unity will be embraced precisely because the division appeared so real beforehand.

This is where many critics of prophetic interpretation unintentionally play their role. When they point to this present conflict and say, “Look, these powers are clearly opposed, there can be no collaboration,” they are responding exactly as the moment encourages them to respond. They are taking the surface narrative at face value. They are mistaking appearance for reality.

In doing so, they help reinforce the very illusion that makes future developments more acceptable.

The issue is not whether disagreement exists. The issue is whether this disagreement equals disunity at a structural level. History answers that question clearly: IT DOES NOT. Powers can disagree publicly while still moving within a shared framework of influence and long-term alignment.

More importantly, the prophetic outline does not describe a constant, visible harmony between these powers from the beginning. It points to a progression, a development, where influence deepens, cooperation strengthens and eventually authority is combined in a way that shapes the world religiously, politically, and economically.

What we are witnessing now fits within that progression, not outside of it.

The current exchange between Donald Trump and Pope Leo XIV is not proof that such a union cannot happen. It is part of the process by which the world is being conditioned to accept this union, even call for it.

It creates the illusion of independence while secretly preparing the structure for unity. It builds contrast so that future convergence appears meaningful and necessary. It draws global attention to both powers, elevating their voices, increasing their influence, and positioning them as central figures in the resolution of international crises.

This is how large-scale deception often works, not through obvious falsehood, but through partial truth carefully framed. People are not misled because they see nothing real; they are misled because they see only part of what is real.
And so the greater danger is not the conflict itself, but the interpretation of it.

If one assumes that visible disagreement proves permanent separation, then one is unprepared for sudden alignment. If one believes that these powers cannot work together, then one will not recognize the significance when they do.

The wiser course is to look beyond the moment, to trace the pattern, to understand how influence operates over time. When that is done, the present situation no longer appears as a contradiction, but as a stage with a larger unfolding scene.

What is being built is not merely a political or religious moment, but a framework, one that brings together authority, influence, and global reach in a way that can guide the direction of nations and the conscience of peoples.

And when that framework is finally revealed in its fullness, many will accept it without hesitation, because they were first convinced it could never exist.

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when one has no hope in men , politics or systems of global christendom
But rather by grace has their HOPE IN GOD , N CHRIST ALONE
this one can surely see the smoke screen going on my friend .
You can rest assured these two are NOT OPPOSED to the one the other .
IN fact they both do the same one agenda .
Same solution has been g iven by both sides
but in slightly differning ways as to blend in with each side .
THE SOLUTION of all solutions , is already at work . And it be of anti christ too .
And the solution will come from the voice of one who appears neutral .
And the solution will be what was already being pumped into both sides by ecumeincalism .
BUT IT WILL BECOME LAW .
Welcome to ecumenical farm coming to a digital world . THEY been duping every last one who sat under them my friend .
For it is satan who has been working through them all in differeing ways
and promises of power . Sie agenda IS a unfied love religoin and it will and it is a love
that ALL false religions ,
That all within even christendom will beleive is LOVE , OF GOD and IS THE ONLY WAY
for to attain world peace n safety .
NOW when i said all , I mean ALL NOT IN THE LAMBS booK of LIFE .
They gonna buy it my friend . THEY GONNA BUY IT . many arleady have and many more soon will .
And i would not run to ya churches
I would not run to ya politics
WE BEDDA RUN TO JESUS and OPEN US A BIBLE and learn for ourselves . IF NOT
prepare one and prepare all TO WAIL ON JESUS DAY . That my friend IS A FACT .
THEY are decieving us all now . And the peoples groan and groan
and wear down through the divisoins and SEEK and plead for the great unifyer
WHO WILL BE NONE other than THE DEVIL HIMSELF , HIS BEAST , HIS SON OF PERDTION .
THIS IS REAL brakelite . ITS REAL and its gonna peak . WHEN IT DO
they coming for blood against all that conformed not .
But fear not man , fear not he who has the power to ONLY KILL the body .
The end of a sheep is real good . BUT i cannot and will not say the same for any of them others . That end REAL BAD .

 

[Dan Clarkston]

when one has no hope in men , politics or systems of global christendom
But rather by grace has their HOPE IN GOD , N CHRIST ALONE

What do you do about the scripture that tells us God ordained civil government?

1 Peter 2:13,14
Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

Romans 13:1-4
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Granted if / when civil government does not allow Christians to practice their faith then we are to rebel against that, but other than that God says in His Word for us to obey civil government.

How do you explain this away?

 

[amigo de christo]

What do you do about the scripture that tells us God ordained civil government?

1 Peter 2:13,14
Submit yourselves to every ordinance of man for the Lord's sake: whether it be to the king, as supreme; Or unto governors, as unto them that are sent by him for the punishment of evildoers, and for the praise of them that do well.

Romans 13:1-4
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Granted if / when civil government does not allow Christians to practice their faith then we are to rebel against that, but other than that God says in His Word for us to obey civil government.

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i dont twist it like THE NAZIS did to the churches . JUST Like many have been doing to you all .
You think
the nar realm invented this garbage . OH NO mr dan
EVEN the nazis and those churches under its sway SOLD THEM THE SAME TWISTED LINE
you trying to sell me . MY ADVICE , FLEE ALL POLITICS , the nar realm and the RCC , anything ecmeincal AND NOW .
That would in;clude YA PRESIDENT and NO dont run to the left either . THEY ALL IN ON IT .
But seeing your hope be in men , NO WONDER you cannot see this . THOUgh you do see somE OF it .
WELL its time YOU SEE ALL of it dan .
Not just on the lib eral left , BUT YOU NEED TO KNOW DONALD IS BEHIND IT TOO , THEY ALL ARE .
We are all being decieved by men , no matter who seems to sit the throne
And that would include a TON of even christain leaders of churches . THEY FLEEcING us all
JUST like the kabbla jews , the im ams and other leaders of their own relgoins HAVE been their own as well .
WE are being prepared to the DAY of TOTAL DESTRUCTION . AND it will come upon all
who joined hand in hand with anything ecumeincal that which is of anti christ intefaith and etc .
nOW stop HOPING IN MEN . DONALD is not gonna save america NOR israel .
NONE OF THEM WILL . THEY only plan TO USHER IN a savoir and savoirs WHO will seem to be
the answer . ONLY , IF ya said beast and son of perdtion , YOU WOULD BE RIGHT . THAT IS Exactly
who these spiirits groom and prepare all sides FOR my friend .

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Like many have been doing to you all

They ain't been doing it to me. I'm not a nazi.

Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. - Romans 13:2

So you do not believe in the ordinance of God that established civil government?

Would you describe yourself as a law breaker then, in rebellion to 1 Peter 2:13 - 14?

 

[amigo de christo]

They ain't been doing it to me. I'm not a nazi.

Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. - Romans 13:2

So you do not believe in the ordinance of God that established civil government?

Would you describe yourself as a law breaker then, in rebellion to 1 Peter 2:13 - 14?

Dan i know you are not a Nazi .
But that was how they sold it .
You should see what a nazi commander told corrie ten boom .
Trying to use the bible to cause her to submit to the cause .
Just like the nar realm does .
I mean i never see you saying this when biden was in power . AND thank goodness ya did not .
But why COME when TRUMP is in power ALL of a sudden this big and mighty uptick .
That my friend is what i am trying to get you to see .

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Trying to use the bible to cause her to submit to the cause

OK, so when civil government is not requiring people to not practice Christianity, are you still in favor off living in rebellion to the civil government which God has established?

Did you remove this passage from your Bible?

Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. - Romans 13:2

If not, then how will you escape damnation since you seem to be teaching everyone should be in rebellion to civil government when God's Word is clear that it is HE that established the authority by which civil government exists?

 

[amigo de christo]

OK, so when civil government is not requiring people to not practice Christianity, are you still in favor off living in rebellion to the civil government which God has established?

Did you remove this passage from your Bible?

Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. - Romans 13:2

If not, then how will you escape damnation since you seem to be teaching everyone should be in rebellion to civil government when God's Word is clear that it is HE that established the authority by which civil government exists?

Our govt itself has become very anti christ , THOUGH it sure do use the name of GOD .
I follow ONLY the laws THAT DO NOT contradict GOD .
So far there are only a few laws that might be able to get one in trouble .
not too much YET , but it will get worse .
WHEN this govt or IF this govt you so
keen on following
ever asks me to s upport gay marriage or even marry them . DO YA THINK i am gonna THEN FOLLOW THAT .
NO SIR .
WHEN this govt tells us , AND SOON IT WILL THROUGH A POWERFUL DIGITAL system .
HEY you cannot preach against homosexaulity
or you cannot tell other religoins they do not serve GOD and that ONE MUST BELIEVE ON JESUS to be saved .
TELL ME , DO YA THINK I SHOULD OBEY THAT .
SORRY son , I DONT honor any laws contrary to GOD .
Now much has not yet BEEN enforced . BUT SOON through the inclusive religious tolerance act
and digital system , OH YOU BET IT WILL BE ENRFORCED THEN .
And you all thought this was all about RELIGIOUS FREEDOM . NOPE .
IT was about establishing AN INCLUSIVE RELIGOIN . we got duped my dear friend . Duped .

 

[amigo de christo]

They ain't been doing it to me. I'm not a nazi.

Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. - Romans 13:2

So you do not believe in the ordinance of God that established civil government?

Would you describe yourself as a law breaker then, in rebellion to 1 Peter 2:13 - 14?

I am going to write a sentence .
RELIGIOUS FREEDOM ACT .
now i want you to put on the special glasses and go see what is within this act .
THEN you will see this is what it really says .
TO ESTABLISH A INCLUSIVE RELIGOIN . that is WHAT IS WAS ALWAYS about .
In other words , you free to THINK , you free to beleive as you desire
But you DARN SURE AINT FREE TO SPEAK IT , IF IT OFFENDS ANY OF THEM , TO INCLUDE THE HOMOSEXUAL.
WE GOT DUPED danny boy . DUPED i tell us all .
This is all a sham .

 

[Lizbeth]

Total denial. This is precisely what Jesus put on us with Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s.

And we are so blessed in being citizens compared to subjects of the empire in Jesus’ day. Our government expects us to provide more than treasure but guidance and participation.

Today’s over-spiritualized Christians ignore our God given responsibility to DO JUSTICE. Micah 6:8.

Give to Caesar what is Caesar's was about paying your taxes and obeying the laws, nothing more. Submit to the governing authorities is not a command or instruction for the church to try and change those authorities. There are always plenty of people of the world engaged in activism.

Sure, we are to do justice.....act justly, fairly, equitably, honestly....do what is right. That does not equate to political activism.

 

[Wrangler]

Give to Caesar what is Caesar's was about paying your taxes and obeying the laws, nothing more.

Really? More denial! Jesus answered a specific question with a general principle that applies to way more than just a specific area of what Uncle Sam needs from us.

Sure, we are to do justice.....act justly, fairly, equitably, honestly....do what is right. That does not equate to political activism.

Sure we are to do Justice but ignore the principle means Justice is accomplished in practice? The command does not apply to just our personal actions but in those agents of justice who act on our behalf.

Having said that, ‘political activism’ is a Strawman, implying more than what Scripture requires. Caesar requires us to vote, not protest daily.

 

[Wrangler]

Submit to the governing authorities is not a command

hmmm. Never read Romans 13:1
Everyone must submit to governing authorities.

 

[n2thelight]

Soooo when trump says take the mark, y'all gonna obey, again y'all delusional

 

[Marvelloustime]

when one has no hope in men , politics or systems of global christendom
But rather by grace has their HOPE IN GOD , N CHRIST ALONE
this one can surely see the smoke screen going on my friend .
You can rest assured these two are NOT OPPOSED to the one the other .
IN fact they both do the same one agenda .
Same solution has been g iven by both sides
but in slightly differning ways as to blend in with each side .
THE SOLUTION of all solutions , is already at work . And it be of anti christ too .
And the solution will come from the voice of one who appears neutral .
And the solution will be what was already being pumped into both sides by ecumeincalism .
BUT IT WILL BECOME LAW .
Welcome to ecumenical farm coming to a digital world . THEY been duping every last one who sat under them my friend .
For it is satan who has been working through them all in differeing ways
and promises of power . Sie agenda IS a unfied love religoin and it will and it is a love
that ALL false religions ,
That all within even christendom will beleive is LOVE , OF GOD and IS THE ONLY WAY
for to attain world peace n safety .
NOW when i said all , I mean ALL NOT IN THE LAMBS booK of LIFE .
They gonna buy it my friend . THEY GONNA BUY IT . many arleady have and many more soon will .
And i would not run to ya churches
I would not run to ya politics
WE BEDDA RUN TO JESUS and OPEN US A BIBLE and learn for ourselves . IF NOT
prepare one and prepare all TO WAIL ON JESUS DAY . That my friend IS A FACT .
THEY are decieving us all now . And the peoples groan and groan
and wear down through the divisoins and SEEK and plead for the great unifyer
WHO WILL BE NONE other than THE DEVIL HIMSELF , HIS BEAST , HIS SON OF PERDTION .
THIS IS REAL brakelite . ITS REAL and its gonna peak . WHEN IT DO
they coming for blood against all that conformed not .
But fear not man , fear not he who has the power to ONLY KILL the body .
The end of a sheep is real good . BUT i cannot and will not say the same for any of them others . That end REAL BAD .

@amigo de christo

 

[Lizbeth]

hmmm. Never read Romans 13:1
Everyone must submit to governing authorities.

Why aren't you posting the entire sentence? You've taken it out of context which completely changes my meaning.

 

[Wrangler]

Why aren't you posting the entire sentence? You've taken it out of context which completely changes my meaning.

Yea, right! Fact is, you are wrong but are too prideful to admit it. We ARE commanded to submit to governing authorities as Roman 13:1 explicitly says.

Now, if you want to analyze the whole verse, chapter, book and the other 65 books of the Bible for context, knock yourself out. IF the context makes it say what it doesn’t say, you would have already showed us rather than assert such a thing.

 

[Taken]

The adherents of OSAS believe these people will still go to Heaven as many of them claim to be Christians.

Since OSAS always claims nobody can lose their salvation so they embrace the woke LGBBQ groups and the drag queens in the Libraries and Blue haired nose ringed teachers teaching our children that you can be whatever gender you choose to be.

The OSAS people are a freaky bunch that's for sure.

Apparently you believe… Once you ARE Saved, You CAN LOSE your Salvation…

Do tell…(according to you)
What is Required to RECEIVE Salvation…?

And…
What causes one to LOSE their Salvation?

And …
Can one EVER get Their Salvation Back, that they HAD and then Lost?

If So? How?

 

[Lizbeth]

Really? More denial! Jesus answered a specific question with a general principle that applies to way more than just a specific area of what Uncle Sam needs from us.

The specific question was about paying taxes to Rome, nothing more. The general principle Jesus answered with is to give what we owe to the governing authority but give to God what we owe to God, which is of far greater value than mere money, being all that we have and are.
No idea where you are getting anything about voting in that.....did the Jews vote for the Roman Caesars?

Sure we are to do Justice but ignore the principle means Justice is accomplished in practice? The command does not apply to just our personal actions but in those agents of justice who act on our behalf.

Having said that, ‘political activism’ is a Strawman, implying more than what Scripture requires. Caesar requires us to vote, not protest daily.

Of course accomplish in practice, yes.....for example do not withhold wages from the workmen you hire, do not use cheating scales, do not falsely accuse, help those who need your help, esp widows/orphans who are without protection and being taken advantage of, etc.

Scripture is clear that those who are called into God's service/army are not to be entangled or caught up in civil affairs. Can't serve two masters, can we? I think it's ok to vote though, according to conscience.