This is the context of how Dan. 9:24-27 should be considered!

[David in NJ]

Where does it "say" that Dan. 9:24-27 was something for Messiah to fulfill?

24“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.


And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, blessed and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is My body.”

Then He took the cup, and gave thanks, and gave it to them, saying,
“Drink from it, all of you. For this is My blood of the New Covenant, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. But I say to you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until that day when I drink it new with you in My Father’s kingdom.”


After this, Jesus, knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” 29Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth. 30So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit.

For if by the one man’s offense death reigned through the one, much more those who receive abundance of grace and of the Gift of Righteousness will reign in life through the One, Jesus Christ.)

 

[Trekson]

Good Morning Trekson,

"God is for us"

Thank you for sharing your pov on scripture and end-time eschatalogy.

PLEASE allow introspection upon 'dispensationalism' by the LIGHT of God's Word.

I have and the correct view of dispensationalism began in Genesis and the bible has been futurist from the beginning w/ the first prophecy of Gen.3:15 which took a little over 4000 yrs. to fulfill. Darby and the Jesuits did "not" introduce dispensationalism to the world, that is a false teaching begun by historicists.

 

[covenantee]

He only fulfilled the prophecies regarding "himself". Lk. 24:44.

If the prophecies regarding "himself" aren't in Daniel 9:24, then where else in Daniel are prophecies regarding "himself"?

 

[Trekson]

24“Seventy weeks are determined
For your people and for your holy city,
To finish the transgression,
To make an end of sins,
To make reconciliation for iniquity,
To bring in everlasting righteousness,
To seal up vision and prophecy,
And to anoint the Most Holy.

For your people and for your holy city, to: Nothing there about Messiah accomplishing them. If you can't see how, read the OP again.

 

[covenantee]

For your people and for your holy city, to: Nothing there about Messiah accomplishing them. If you can't see how, read the OP again.

What word in Daniel 9:24 means "accomplish"?

 

[David in NJ]

I have and the correct view of dispensationalism began in Genesis and the bible has been futurist from the beginning w/ the first prophecy of Gen.3:15 which took a little over 4000 yrs. to fulfill. Darby and the Jesuits did "not" introduce dispensationalism to the world, that is a false teaching begun by historicists.

I believe in Biblical Dispensation

Biblical Dispensation is NOT what 'dispensationalists' follow

 

[CTK]

It's how prophecy works, some parts of his first advent were prophesied and some weren't. Christ ministered for 3 1/2 yrs but the fact is, that part wasn't prophesied. From age 12-30 we know nothing about his life. So, to get the timeline correct we have to deal w/ what was prophesied, not what wasn't. Prophetically, His crucifixion and resurrection was more important than the duration of His ministry. We are given one prophecy regarding His coming as King at the end of His ministry, as His last Passover was more important then the previous three combined. Perhaps this was done so folks would not get the false idea that the 70th week was fulfilled, when it wasn't, but that hasn't worked out very well so far. Only men say it was fulfilled, the bible never does. In this case, this proves the fact of telescoping prophecy which is where the prophets saw the mountain tops of events but not the valley of time between them. The prophecies given about his first advent highlight the important parts of his ministry. The bible says in John 21:25, "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written." Since that is true, we can see why not every single thing

Well, I wish the best for you but I would respectfully ask that you might consider getting into a Bible study — there are plenty online that you can choose from, and I hope there are groups where you live that you can attend.

You are indeed missing out on so much of meaning of His Word. Many knowledgeable folks within this site have been willing to give you different and valuable interpretations on Daniel … perhaps you might ask them to explain why they interpret certain verses differently than you … and you can offer why you have a different interpretation.

Good luck.

 

[David in NJ]

For your people and for your holy city, to: Nothing there about Messiah accomplishing them. If you can't see how, read the OP again.

You are not thinking Biblically.

You are thinking and dwelling on man-made dispensationalism.

The Jewish people CANNOT save themselves, nor can Jerusalem on earth find forgiveness of sins apart from CHRIST.

Brethren, my heart’s desire and prayer to God for Israel is that they may be saved.
For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge.
For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and seeking to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted to the righteousness of God.
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

 

[CTK]

For your people and for your holy city, to: Nothing there about Messiah accomplishing them. If you can't see how, read the OP again.

Yes, the prophecies are FOR YOUR PEOPLE (Daniel’ people) and FOR YOUR CITY (Daniel’s city). Because they were part of God’s plan of restoring them back to Jerusalem - Daniel is written TO THEM, but they (Jews) are not the ones that will be fulfilling them.

Jesus came TO THEM TO FULFILL HIS PLAN OF RESTORATION AND SALVATION.

The Jews were the receivers of His mission that was given to Him by God. God did not give the Jews any other requirement other than to rebuild and restore the PHYSICAL elements of the restoration.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

For your people and for your holy city, to: Nothing there about Messiah accomplishing them. If you can't see how, read the OP again.

How exactly can the Jews make an end of sins, finish the transgression, make reconciliation for iniquity, bring in everlasting righteousness, anoint the most holy and seal up vision and prophecy apart from Jesus? I'd love to know how you think that is possible.

 

[Jay Ross]

"Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the (national) transgression, and to (This affirms that it is upon Israel and Jerusalem TO fulfill the following tasks) make an end of (national) sins, and to make reconciliation for (national) iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, (escort Christ into Jerusalem after Armageddon for the true triumphal entry) and to seal up the vision and prophecy, (When the next task is done the prophecies concerning Christ and this present dispensation will be completed) and to anoint the most Holy" (As King and Messiah of Israel and the earth as kings were anointed in OT days).

This is my take, which has been published previously: -




Perhaps you may like to demonstrate your insight as to why you believe that I am wrong in my understanding.

 

[Trekson]

This is my take, which has been published previously: -

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Perhaps you may like to demonstrate your insight as to why you believe that I am wrong in my understanding.

The second half of verse 24 is also for Israel to fulfill. Christ laid the foundation for Israel to accomplish them. To see how, re-read the OP. The last three will be post Armageddon which is also the time that Matt. 23:39 will be fulfilled.

 

[Jay Ross]

The second half of verse 24 is also for Israel to fulfill. Christ laid the foundation for Israel to accomplish them. To see how, re-read the OP. The last three will be post Armageddon which is also the time that Matt. 23:39 will be fulfilled.

nan

 

[covenantee]

For your people and for your holy city, to: Nothing there about Messiah accomplishing them. If you can't see how, read the OP again.

Luke 24
25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

Daniel was a prophet. Therefore, there were things concerning Jesus, written by Daniel the prophet, which Jesus had fulfilled.
What things do you think those were?
Hint: Try Daniel 9:24.

You've said "He only fulfilled the prophecies regarding "himself". Lk. 24:44." Post 440

You're absolutely correct, because Daniel 9:24 is all about Himself, and no one else. Only He could fulfill it.

And He did. Luke 24:44

Thanks for your confirmation.