Who, can Not Sin and Why?

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And he showed me a pure river of the Water of Life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.

2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, there was the Tree of Life, which bore twelve kinds of fruit and yielded her fruit every month; and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

3 And there shall be no more curse, but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve Him.

4 And they shall see His face, and His name shall be in their foreheads.

5 And there shall be no night there, and they will need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light. And they shall reign for ever and ever.

6 And he said unto me, “These sayings are faithful and true,” and the Lord God of the holy prophets sent His angel to show unto His servants the things which must shortly be done.

7 “Behold, I come quickly.” Blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.

8 And I, John, saw these things and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel who showed me these things.

9 Then said he unto me, “See that thou do it not, for I am thy fellow servant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them that keep the sayings of this book. Worship God!”

10 And he said unto me, “Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book, for the time is at hand.

11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still; and he that is filthy, let him be filthy still; and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still; and he that is holy, let him be holy still.”

12 “And behold, I come quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every man according as his work shall be.

13 I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”

14 Blessed are they that do His commandments, that they may have right to the Tree of Life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

15 For outside are dogs and sorcerers, and whoremongers and murderers and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.
 

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Yes… since You were asked No less than 6 times to define Sin according to you…
And failed.
Glad you remember. Your turn. List your sins for all to witness, as you demand from Paul!
 

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You have been Warned, Told Repeatedly…
Learn the meanings of Words!

Can Not sin…
Does Not mean;
HAS NO Sin!
I'll take John's Word over yours any day.

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves,
and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
 

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You sins Christ took away and by His one offering, He perfected you forever.
Well He is our great high priest, the shepherd of the sheep.
With the Holy Ghost also as witness to these truths as he said long ago beforehand in scripture by the prophets.

“This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.”


"having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water."

4 But after the kindness and love of God our Savior toward man appeared,

5 He saved us not by works of righteousness which we had done, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration, and by the renewing of the Holy Ghost,

6 which He shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

7 that, being justified by His grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.


Hebrews 10
11 And every priest standeth daily ministering and offering time and again the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins.

12 But this Man, after He had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down at the right hand of God,

13 from henceforth to wait until His enemies be made His footstool.

14 For by one offering He hath perfected for ever those who are sanctified.

15 Of this the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us; for after He had said before,

16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord: I will put My laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;

17 and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.”

18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

19 Having therefore boldness, brethren, to enter into the Holiest by the blood of Jesus,

20 by a new and living Way, which He hath consecrated for us through the veil (that is to say, His flesh),

21 and having a High Priest over the house of God,

22 let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience and our bodies washed with pure water.

23 Let us hold fast to the profession of our faith without wavering (for He is faithful who promised),

24 and let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works,

25 not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as ye see the Day approaching.

26 For if we sin willfully after having received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

27 but a certain fearful expectation of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.

29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath accounted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath despised the Spirit of grace?

30 For we know Him that hath said, “Vengeance belongeth unto Me; I will recompense,” saith the Lord. And again, “The Lord shall judge His people.”

31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32 But call to remembrance the former days in which, after ye were illuminated, ye endured a great fight of afflictions,

33 partly while ye were being made a gazingstock both by reproaches and afflictions, and partly while ye became companions of those who were so used.

34 For ye had compassion on me in my bonds and took joyfully the despoiling of your goods, knowing in yourselves that ye have in Heaven a better and an enduring substance.

35 Cast not away therefore your confidence, which hath great recompense of reward.

36 For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God, ye might receive the promise.

37 “For yet a little while, and He that shall come will come, and will not tarry.

38 Now the just shall live by faith; but if any man draw back, My soul shall have no pleasure in him.”

39 But we are not of those who draw back unto perdition, but of those who believe, to the saving of the soul.
 

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I'll take John's Word over yours any day.

1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves,
and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.

Prove that applies to me.
 

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What does hate mean? A Strong dislike.
That’s at least somewhat true in the worldly sense, but in the Biblical sense not so much. Did God “strongly dislike” Esau… and thus all who are not among His elect? Well no, God is love, of course, and loves all His creation and especially His special part of it, all mankind. But yet God hated Esau (and thus all those not among His elect). At the very least, Biblical, godly, holy hate is absolutely not “a strong dislike.” That’s actually sinful, and, well, you know, God most certainly does not do sin… <smile> …God is absolutely incapable of sin and cannot and will not be in the presence of sin.

The Lord Loves All people…
Sure. Absolutely.

… while at the same time, dislikes and strongly dislikes (hates) some of those same people.
You’re contradicting what you just said. There is no contradiction with God. God’s holy hate is very different from man’s ~ our ~ sinful hate.

Never Again, Can I sin (not Believe In God)… be against God.
But you can… and very often do… do sinful things, and do even good things sinfully. Even if we say we do good things with good, loving, graceful intentions, we are still guilty, just because we are yet still, at least to some small extent… <chuckles> …sinful beings. Of course it’s no laughing matter. In this life we Christians will always be, in Paul’s words, struggling to put off the old man and put on the new. But, thanks be to God, the Spirit helps us in our weakness, and God is conforming us to the image of His Son, and… again, He will bring His good work in us to completion at the day of Christ.

I Trust His Power IN me, is sufficient to Keep His Forgiveness Constant.
Sure. But Taken, His power is made perfect in our weakness.

No, I do NOT repeatedly ASK Him, for what He Has Already Given me.
Ah, you don’t understand the simultaneous now and not yet… That’s a common thing even among Christians. Or, maybe you do but are just not applying it here as it should be. You can, though, I’m sure. In this life, as Christians, we live a life of confession and repentance.

And hey, yeah, you dont have to confess the same sin multiple times. <smile> Well, unless you keep doing it… <smile>

So… now, I’m certainly not saying you’re not a Christian, or that you cannot or are not forgiven. But… well, as James says, at least in the moment, generally speaking, you do not have, because you do not ask. Again, though, if we confess our sins and ask forgiveness in the name of Christ, God is faithful and just to forgive. Our justification in Christ is a once-and-for-all thing, but we are in constant need in this life of forgiveness.

As you “imply” I can Still Sin…
Well I don’t just imply it… <chuckles> But also that you do. And I do too.

How would that (if it were possible) AFFECT Christ Jesus’ Glorified Body, (in which I dwell)?
We are not glorified yet, Taken. We will be, and we can even live as if we are, but we are not yet glorified. Here again is the simultaneous now and not yet…

Wouldn’t THAT… mean…Christ Jesus Would have SIN IN His glorified Body?
No. <smile>

Grace and peace to you.
 

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Prove that applies to me.
John ~ the disciple whom Jesus loved ~ is saying that even of himself, Taken. It “applies” to all of us, as we are disciples ~ followers ~ of the Lord. Goodness gracious.

Grace and peace to you.
 
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Glad you remember. Your turn. List your sins for all to witness, as you demand from Paul!

I demanded nothing from Paul.

You have revealed you are not equipped to have a meaningful discussion about sin.
 

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At the very least, Biblical, godly, holy hate is absolutely not “a strong dislike.” That’s actually sinful,

Disagree.
Holy hate? Strange term.

You’re contradicting what you just said. There is no contradiction with God. God’s holy hate is very different from man’s ~ our ~ sinful hate.

Disagree.

But you can… and very often do… do sinful things, and do even good things sinfully.

According to WHAT exactly?
Mosaic Law…?
What reveals the “sinful” things you speak of?

Even if we say we do good things with good, loving, graceful intentions, we are still guilty, just because we are yet still, at least to some small extent… <chuckles> …sinful beings.

Yet… according to God …He forgives Sin, Once done, and dwells in a man… who…. By what you say… such man continues to commit sin.

Disagree.

Of course it’s no laughing matter. In this life we Christians will always be, in Paul’s words, struggling to put off the old man and put on the new.

Seems like Paul struggled, maybe felt guilty as (you mentioned guilt), for still having his flesh body.

I don’t. And I don’t begrudge Paul’s feelings about his flesh, or anyone else.
I Rather, believe, my accounted Dead body, (Crucified with Jesus) has already been Sanctified…ie. prepared… forgiven, washed, justified, sealed, overcome with light, that God Himself can no longer See, my forgiven Sin….and neither do I.

But, thanks be to God, the Spirit helps us in our weakness, and God is conforming us to the image of His Son, and… again, He will bring His good work in us to completion at the day of Christ.

I don’t experience Weakness in Christ. I do, accept His Power as absolute, and Trust His Comfort, when men of this world stir the pot.

Sure. But Taken, His power is made perfect in our weakness.

I do not know what “weakness” plagues you.

Ah, you don’t understand the simultaneous now and not yet… That’s a common thing even among Christians. Or, maybe you do but are just not applying it here as it should be. You can, though, I’m sure. In this life, as Christians, we live a life of confession and repentance.

Between myself and God… No I do not live my life in a constant confession and repentance.

Between myself and other men…continual confession of Trespasses and Repentance to men for Trespasses …Sure.
 
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1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves,


LOL… proving you can copy and paste Scripture Does NOT Prove your accusation toward me…

Now a lesson in how to PROVE your accusation against me….
Is to Quote ME Saying what YOU accuse.

Duh!
 

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Paul and John confessed for all the world to witness that they were sinners, but the 'CANNOT sin' professers CANNOT! Satan LOVES his 'CANNOT sin' doctrine!

No confession, NO forgiveness! Jesus said so!
 
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