I understand you said you CANNOT sin!
John and Paul CLEARLY included themselves as sinners!
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Who, can Not Sin and Why?
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John and Paul CLEARLY included themselves as sinners!
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Ziggy
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Do you believe John and Paul confessed their sin?
Do you believe they were forgiven of that sin?
Do you believe that they were cleansed from all unrighteousness as the Lord had promised?
Do you believe that they are teaching others what they themselves recieved?
Do you believe that John and Paul remained sinners after having been cleansed from all sin?
Do you believe God?
Hugs
Absolutely!
Absolutely!
Absolutely!
I guess you missed my quotes of Paul and John.
Can Not Sin….Does NOT mean…Have no Sin.
So? Not news, Duh…Everyone is naturally born Having Sin! Haven’t heard ONE person claim they “Have no sin”…
Not news, been there, done that.
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
John and Paul admitted for all the world to witness that they were still sinners.
Confess / be forgiven! Judgment Day will be too late.
Repeating yourself to ad nauseam has confirmed …
1 Cor 2:
14:
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
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Ziggy
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Paul and John are teaching others how to receive the Grace that washes all Sin away.
They are not saying that they are still sinners after having been made righteous through the Holy Spirit.
You are misinterpreting what they are saying by having them attribute sin to themselves, when they are truly speaking to others how to be forgiven.
If you start at the beginning:
1Jo 1:5
This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
Paul and John are relaying the message to those who have not heard, have not confessed, have not been saved.
1Jo 1:6
If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
Are Paul and John walking in darkness?
Are they lying?
Here is the BUT:
1Jo 1:7
But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Sin sometimes? Just a partial sin removal? Only a temporary fix?
Now speaking to those who have not heard:
1Jo 1:8
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
Most Jews believed that if they kept God's commandments and did not sin according to the written law, then they were saved.
Luk 18:18
And a certain ruler asked him, saying, Good Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
Luk 18:20
Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother.
Luk 18:21
And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.
He believed he had no sin.
Luk 18:22
Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
What was the one thing the young man lacked? selling his stuff? Distributing to the poor?
Or was it the command to Come, and follow me?
He believed because he had kept the law he was sinless.
1Jo 1:10
If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
This young man did not know the Lord, in fact he went away sorrowful.
He will remain in his sin and his sinful nature, until he takes up his cross and follows Christ.
At that time, ALL SIN will be forgiven.
Hugs
Couldn't be any clearer! They were referring to themselves!
Romans 7:19-24
19 For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice.
24 O wretched man that I am!
1 John 1:8-10
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
Ziggy
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Don't stop there, Keep on reading brother,
Rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:1
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom 8:2
For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
Rom 8:3
For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
Rom 8:4
That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Ziggy
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Ziggy
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Gen 18:20
And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Gen 18:21
I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
Many believe that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah must have something to do with homosexuality, as if the entire city men women and children were all guilty of homosexuality.
But there is a place where the Lord tells us exactly what Sodom's sin was.
Eze 16:49
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
Eze 16:50
And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
Psa 12:5
For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.
Psa 72:4
He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.
Eze 22:29
The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.
Gen 18:20
And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Gen 18:21
I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
1Pe 4:7
But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
1Pe 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
1Pe 4:9
Use hospitality one to another without grudging.
Sodom was godless.
There was no love in the city.
They were reprobates.
Rom 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Their cup runneth over.
And this was before the 10 commandments and the Law that God gave to Moses.
Sin is more than just transgression of the law. It is unbelief in God.
Hugs
And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Gen 18:21
I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
Many believe that the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah must have something to do with homosexuality, as if the entire city men women and children were all guilty of homosexuality.
But there is a place where the Lord tells us exactly what Sodom's sin was.
Eze 16:49
Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
Eze 16:50
And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
Psa 12:5
For the oppression of the poor, for the sighing of the needy, now will I arise, saith the LORD; I will set him in safety from him that puffeth at him.
Psa 72:4
He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.
Eze 22:29
The people of the land have used oppression, and exercised robbery, and have vexed the poor and needy: yea, they have oppressed the stranger wrongfully.
Gen 18:20
And the LORD said, Because the cry of Sodom and Gomorrah is great, and because their sin is very grievous;
Gen 18:21
I will go down now, and see whether they have done altogether according to the cry of it, which is come unto me; and if not, I will know.
1Pe 4:7
But the end of all things is at hand: be ye therefore sober, and watch unto prayer.
1Pe 4:8
And above all things have fervent charity among yourselves: for charity shall cover the multitude of sins.
1Pe 4:9
Use hospitality one to another without grudging.
Sodom was godless.
There was no love in the city.
They were reprobates.
Rom 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29
Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30
Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31
Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32
Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
Their cup runneth over.
And this was before the 10 commandments and the Law that God gave to Moses.
Sin is more than just transgression of the law. It is unbelief in God.
Hugs
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First, let's look at Ezekiel 16:1-3. This prophecy is addressed to Jerusalem, as representative of the southern kingdom of Judah. Jerusalem's idolatry with other gods is described as like an unfaithful wife prostituting herself and committing multiple adulteries against her husband. Then verse 46 identifies Jerusalem's "older sister Sodom" as Samaria, the northern kingdom of Israel. Knowing what Sodom is notorious for, Samaria's sin is metaphorically analogous to forcibly sodomizing the poor and needy and committing "abominations" (same Hebrew word תּוֹעֵבָה used in the Leviticus 18:22 clobber verse) with other gods. And yet God considered Judah twice as bad as Israel. Rather graphic, no?
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