It does not say that. He is the god of this world - the antichrist system around us. That is completely different. He is not god over our world.
The Relationship Between Israel and the Church
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Spiritual Israelite
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The religious leaders of Israel were proven to be wrong about a lot of things, including that. Why would you trust that they got that right when they were proven wrong about so many things?
Paul taught that Gentiles are "fellow heirs" of God's promises (Ephesians 3:1-6), but you don't believe that. You do not accept what is taught in the New Testament. You do not allow the New Testament to shine light on the Old Testament for you and that's why you have no understanding of end times doctrine whatsoever.
How can it be false, if it's what the bible mainly teaches. I'll make it easy for you, about the "only" passage about Christ's 2nd coming is Rev. 19, everything else is the rapture.
The rapture/resurrection is for the church, the 2nd coming is for Israel!
Again, all noise, zero Scripture. That sums up your theology. Your mentors have deceived you and you have nothing to support it.
And He has.
2 Corinthians 1
20 For all the promises of God in him are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us.
Galatians 3
16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.
29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
Galatians 4
28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
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Spiritual Israelite
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Spiritual Israelite
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Amen. I don't think those verses are included in the Dispensatanist Bible.
Earburner
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I agree and never said differently. But there is more going on than what meets the eye!
Satan, and the evil fallen horde with him, still have rulership of those who are of this world, and often "sits in" the potential "temples of God", their mortal bodies, as he pleases.
But as for born again Christians, the Lord rules within the temple of our mortal bodies [houses], and because He now permanently dwells within us, Satan, etc. can never Re-enter within us [house] again.
It's all about correctly understanding "The Strongman". Many Christians really do not understand it as they should.
Mat. 12:29 Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil** his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil** his house.
Mark 3:27 No man can enter into a strong man's house [our bodies] , and spoil** his goods, except he will first bind the strong man; and then he will spoil** his house.
Luke 11
21 When a strong man armed keepeth his palace, his goods are in peace:
22 But when a stronger than he shall come upon him [into our bodies], and overcome him, he taketh from him all his armour wherein he trusted, and "divideth" his spoils** [goods]. See Rev. 3:20
**Note: "to the victor of war, go the spoils"
In this situation, their bodies [houses] are the spoils. The Victor is Jesus.
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The details for all of that is shown in
Luke 11
24 When the unclean spirit [satan etc.] is gone [cast] out of a man, he [satan] walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house [mortal body] whence I came out.
25 And when he [satan] cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished [cleansed from sin, but having no new resident, aka the Holy Spirit].
26 Then goeth he [satan], and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first [classic case of Demonic possession].
Rom. 8:9 But [spiritually] ye are not [no longer] in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is NONE of his.
Through repentance, every living mortal person is the potential Temple [house] of the Living God, through faith in Christ.
1 Cor. 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple [house] of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
Now maybe, you might have a BETTER understanding about The Feast of Tabernacles.
It was and is NOT about the Jews living in temporary "houses", but rather it is about God Himself, who is still ONLY Spirit, seeking to permanently dwell within the temporary mortal bodies of man, whom He has created.
John 14:23
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and WE will come unto him, and make OUR abode [dwelling place] with[in] him.
2 Cor. 4:7 But we have this treasure [God himself] in earthen vessels [our temporary mortal bodies], that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Did you know that NO ONE under the OC ever had the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit? (Most Christians can not handle that question.)
Q. Do you know why they didn't??
A. John 7:39 (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)
There is so much that you have to UN-learn and then RE-learn. Its like trying to string a bag of real Pearls, but mixed in with the real Pearls, fake pearls had been added in.
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It is both. The millennial era won't be that much different than now in regards to dwelling. Yes, God resides within us but we also go to church to have fellowship w/ others of like mind. When He dwells among man, He will be physically living on earth. There will still be meeting places. Just replace the concept of a "temple" to a "church". When we get to heaven, we're not going to be floating in the air. It will be like it is now except we will be more. We will talk to Jesus face to face, shake his hand, etc. Israel and those gentiles who enter the millennial era will do the same things. Our connection w/ Christ will be similar as well. We don't have to be in the same physical area to know that he hears us when we pray, he sees what we need and he speaks to us through his word. In his presence, that will be all enhanced for the church. Really, the only difference between his first advent and his second after, Armageddon when everything has settled down is he will be wearing a crown and this time He will "have a place to lay his head", if He chooses. He will have a throne so that would be what the temple/church will be for, and folks will come to him as they came before Solomon, to settle disputes or other earthly matters.
Earburner
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After Jesus returns in all His flaming/fiery Glory, there is no such thing as an additional literal 1000 years, that church-ianity loves to call "THE Millennium". That scripture in 2 Peter 3 about "a thousand years", is a metaphor, for an unspecified amount of time during this Age of His Grace and Longsuffering, for man's repentance and to come to have faith in Jesus.
Are you a JW?
So then, you see the KoG as being nothing but this same old earth, living like Adam and Eve, restored back to the way it was, before their fall into sin in the Garden.
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Do you have corroborative Scripture to support your position? I see nothing, only opinions.
Is 2 Peter a metaphor? Sure, but the 6 times that a thousand years are mentioned in Rev. 20:2-7 are not. Metaphors aren't generally mentioned multiple times in the same context of scripture. How often would Christ have to say it before you will believe Him? 3 more times? 10 more times? Jesus is talking about it as a fact. Basically, yes for the first few hundred years or so. No. I'm not a JW, silly me, I just believe the bible as written. More people should, they would be a whole lot less confused.
Spiritual Israelite
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LOL. The number of times something is mentioned does not prove one way or another as to whether it is literal or not. The beast is mentioned over 30 times in the book of Revelation, so that means it's a literal beast? Premils just have nothing to support their beliefs, so they have to resort to nonsense like this instead.
LOL. As if He only ever spoke literally? Obviously not. So, whether He says something literally or figuratively, He should only have to say it once for us to believe Him.
Very few are more confused than you are about end times doctrine.
Earburner
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No, it's not that way at all, for us who believe and understand that the 1000 year metaphor began during the first appearance/coming of Christ.
We also see that metaphor as the beginning of the Age of God's Grace, to all people, through having faith in Jesus Christ.
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Using the word "metaphor" didn't set right w/ me so I did a little research and concluded that the phrase from 2 Peter 3:8 "But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day," isn't a metaphor, it's a simile because it is contrasting two very real things. This comparison was first mentioned in Ps. 90:4. Comparatively, it is most likely a true statement. How will one measure time when they are eternal? Is eternal life a metaphor? Is a day a metaphor? There is no logical reason to suggest the thousand years aren't literal. Most of Rev. should be taken literally and while some symbolism is used they usually are explained somewhere else in the text.
Where did you get that? The Bible constantly calls us sheep. Are we literal sheep?
Re the “one hour” that the beast reigns with the “ten kings” in Revelation 17:12, is that sixty minutes?
10, 100, 1,000 and 10,000 are often used as round figures in Scripture to describe greater truths. We do the same today.
The term "a thousand" is used in most languages in a general figurative sense to represent a large number or a large indefinite period. Certain common numbers are frequently used in Scripture as valuable symbols to represent particular divine truths or ideas; a thousand and ten thousand are two such numbers. They are employed as familiar figures to impress deep spiritual principles in a distinctly comprehendible and identifiable way. It is not necessarily the exact numerical size of the figure outlined that is important but the spiritual idea that it represents. In fact, English dictionaries recognize the indefinite nature of a thousand defining it variously as a very large number or a great number or amount. This use is very common in our daily language.
The phrase “a thousand” comes up a lot in every day conversation. For example: “a picture is worth a thousand words” is a familiar saying. This simply tells us that much can be gleaned from a still print. An image can be more revealing and more influential than a substantial amount of text.
Another well-known phrase that some use is: “A journey of a thousand miles starts with one step.” This suggests that the greatest of endeavors starts with the first move – a great undertaking must start somewhere.
We may in passing say: “I have a thousand things to do today.” However, the expression is no way intended to delineate an exact number, but rather a notion. Also, in everyday life, when someone says “I've heard that a thousand times,” no one sensible would take that as anything other than a figure of speech.
Tourists are welcomed to Dublin airport, Ireland, by the popular Irish expression: “Welcome to the City of a Thousand Welcomes.” This is simply a figurative communication epitomizing the friendliness and hospitality of the place.
People also use ‘a thousand’ as a round figure or as a phrase to describe a general amount. If they had $1053 (literally pronounced one thousand and fifty-three dollars) it wouldn't be uncommon or unusual to say I had a thousand dollars. They would simply round it off to a familiar even number. This is where 10, 100, 1,000, and 10,000 are often used. These are not wooden numbers.
This figure is also used to describe a long indeterminate period of power and government. Hitler boasted that the Third Reich would last a thousand years. The Nazi Party used the terms Drittes Reich and Tausendjähriges Reich (Thousand-Year Reich) to describe the rule, power and vision of the Fascist kingdom. It wasn’t that Hitler limited his wicked dream to that period, but that it symbolically represented a long period of unparalleled supremacy.
Churchill also infamously said of the victory of the war, “if we fail, the whole world, including the United States, including all that we have known and cared for, will sink into the abyss of a new Dark Age, made more sinister, and perhaps more protracted, by the lights of perverted science. Let us therefore brace ourselves to our duties, and so bear ourselves that if the British Empire and its Commonwealth last for a thousand years, men will say, ‘This was their finest hour’” (Churchill in his speech on June 18, 1940).
People often mistakenly concentrate upon the actual figure revealed rather than what that figure represents. One hundred and forty and four thousand on the other hand, whilst rarely used (being found only in the deeply symbolic book of Revelation), is similarly used, only in an increased manner to impress a number that is completely unfathomable by human capability. The figure of one hundred and forty and four thousand should be viewed in relation to the biblical use of a thousand representing vastness and 12 representing authority.
A thousand years is simply a simile for a long period of time. Revelation is full of figurative language. Amils acknowledge the symbolic setting and let other clear and explicit Scripture explain it. Premils explain away the clear and explicit by their faulty understanding of Revelation 20.
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