Poll: What happens to faithful Christians when they die?
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I believe our souls consciously are with the Lord when we die faithfully but we won't get our resurrected bodies till the end comes.
Taken
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What happens to faithful Christians when they die?
* Living soul departs dead body, escorted to Heaven.
* Quickened living spirit departs dead body, goes to Heaven.
* Dead body, goes to morgue / autopsy…
And / Or
* Goes to funeral home to be prepped for funeral viewing / service / burial
And / Or
* Cremation
And / Or
* IF in wilderness alone: Bowels / urine releases, Riga-mortis, gut gases build up, gut bursts, putrid stink, bugs / animals feast / flesh / organs decay.
Glory to God,
Taken
* Living soul departs dead body, escorted to Heaven.
* Quickened living spirit departs dead body, goes to Heaven.
* Dead body, goes to morgue / autopsy…
And / Or
* Goes to funeral home to be prepped for funeral viewing / service / burial
And / Or
* Cremation
And / Or
* IF in wilderness alone: Bowels / urine releases, Riga-mortis, gut gases build up, gut bursts, putrid stink, bugs / animals feast / flesh / organs decay.
Glory to God,
Taken
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The Biblical witness is not cut-and-dried.
The primary narrative is Resurrection; however, there are a few verses which support "being present with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:8) and others which support "being saved through fire", i.e. Purgatory (1 Corinthians 3:15).
The primary narrative is Resurrection; however, there are a few verses which support "being present with the Lord" (2 Corinthians 5:8) and others which support "being saved through fire", i.e. Purgatory (1 Corinthians 3:15).
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Yes as you say, we are with the lord should we die in Jesus Christ. Since the Rapture has not happen YET, our resurrected bodies will come at the Rature event, long before the 2nd coming of Christ on the earth.
PS95
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1 Thes 4
13But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. 15For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. 18Therefore comfort one another with these words.
1 Thes 5-9-11
For God has not destined us for wrath, but for obtaining salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10who died for us, so that whether we are awake or asleep, we will live together with Him. 11Therefore encourage one another and build up one another, just as you also are doing.
Ecc 3:31
“Who knows whether the spirit of man goes upward and the spirit of the beast goes down into the earth?”
Ecc 9:5
For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing, and they have no more reward, for the memory of them is forgotten.
(not for believers- obviously- we do anticipate a reward and are not forgotten!)
Ecc. 12:7
-then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.
James 2:26
For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead
Job 32:8,18
But it is a spirit that is in mankind, And the breath of the Almighty gives them understanding.
For I am full of words; The spirit within me compels me.
1 Cor 2:11
11For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of the man, which is in him? Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Spirit of God.
Romans 8:16-17
“The Spirit himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God, and if children, then heirs — heirs of God and fellow heirs with Christ, provided we suffer with him in order that we may also be glorified with him.
Ro 8:10-11
But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness.
11And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit, who lives in you.
Psalm 31:5
Your hands I commit my spirit; You have redeemed me, O LORD, God of truth.
Luke 23:46
“Father, into Your hands I commit My spirit”
Acts 17:59
While they were stoning him, Stephen appealed, “Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.”
Phil 1:21
For to me to live is Christ, and to die is gain.
Philippians 1:23
I am hard pressed between the two. My desire is to depart and be with Christ, for that is far better.
Phil 1:24
But to remain in the flesh is more necessary on your account.
2 Cor 5:1
For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 Cor 5:6-8
So we are always of good courage. We know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord, for we walk by faith, not by sight. Yes, we are of good courage, and we would rather be away from the body and at home with the Lord.
1 Thes 5;23
Now may the God of peace himself sanctify you completely, and may your whole spirit and soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
1Cor 15:51-54
Behold! I tell you a mystery. We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we shall be changed. For this perishable body must put on the imperishable, and this mortal body must put on immortality. When the perishable puts on the imperishable, and the mortal puts on immortality, then shall come to pass the saying that is written: “Death is swallowed up in victory.
cont..
PS95
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1 Cor 15:44
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
Philippians 3;21
who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body.
2 Cor 4:14
knowing that He who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and will present us with you.
John 14:13
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also
Heb 11:16
But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.
Rev 21:2
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
Heb 9:27-28
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
2 Tim 4:6-8
For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing.
John 11:25-26
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies. / And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”
Luke 23:43
And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.
Ro 8:37-39
37But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
feel free to add what i missed
It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
Philippians 3;21
who, by the power that enables Him to subject all things to Himself, will transform our lowly bodies to be like His glorious body.
2 Cor 4:14
knowing that He who raised the Lord Jesus will raise us also with Jesus and will present us with you.
John 6:54
Whoever feeds on my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.John 6:44
No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
John 6:40
For this is the will of my Father, that everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day.”John 6:39
And this is the will of him who sent me, that I should lose nothing of all that he has given me, but raise it up on the last day.John 14:13
And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself, that where I am you may be also
Heb 11:16
But as it is, they desire a better country, that is, a heavenly one. Therefore God is not ashamed to be called their God; for He has prepared a city for them.
Rev 21:2
And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.
Col 3:4
When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory.Heb 9:27-28
And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.
2 Tim 4:6-8
For I am already being poured out as a drink offering, and the time of my departure has come. I have fought the good fight, I have finished the race, I have kept the faith. Henceforth there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, will award to me on that day, and not only to me but also to all who have loved his appearing.
John 11:25-26
Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. Whoever believes in Me will live, even though he dies. / And everyone who lives and believes in Me will never die. Do you believe this?”
Luke 23:43
And He said to him, “Truly I say to you, today you will be with Me in Paradise.
Ro 8:37-39
37But in all these things we overwhelmingly conquer through Him who loved us. 38For I am convinced that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor things present, nor things to come, nor powers, 39nor height, nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
feel free to add what i missed
ScottA
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1/3 vs 2/3s ...sounds biblical.
The end of life, the passing of these bodies of flesh, is the end and the beginning for us all. With the exception of those "born again" referred to by Paul as "we who are alive and remain", who are the first resurrection, the firstfruits following Christ to pass from death to life while remaining in this world to continue the ministry of Christ as His body--as Paul also said, "for me, to live is Christ."
However, without complicating things with the exception of those born again--first understand that we all enter and leave this world--again as Paul said, "but each one in his own order." Start there, for what comes next will require (as Paul also said) "the renewing of your mind."
And then there is the nature of Time vs Eternity. From God's side of that equation, the only time that passes in heaven, is not time at all, but rather a dividing of "the light from the darkness", biblically referred to as "silence in heaven for half an hour." "Silence" because the Word went out from heaven (causing the "silence in heaven") into all the world. Which is simply a translation into worldly terms for elementary understanding for us while we remain on this worldly side of the equation, not fully aware of God's eternal perspective. Another such saying, is "a time, times, and half a time", breaking our side of the equation down into segments of time dividing "the light from the darkness."
All biblical.
But in answering the thread pole question, looking at the matter from both sides of the Time vs Eternity equation (as God does), it means we enter and leave this world "each one in his own order" or time--but enter heaven (the Kingdom of God)--together.
Now...I understand that none have ever heard or understood it this way--but that is the truth from God and His perspective--and these are the times in which He has promised to lead us "unto all truth" and that "the mystery of God would be finished." I also understand--and it would be good if you did as well--that every revelation from God that goes against the limited knowledge that was believed before, has been rejected. But we have been here before--before this they killed the prophets and even the most knowledgeable Priests of Jesus's time rejected what He said as crazy or demonic, as if He were a heretic, and they crucified Him. That was Israel. This time, it is our turn in the hot seat, our time to stop what we believe short and reject "all truth" as promised, or prove our full alignment with the Holy Spirit, and do better than those who went before us. Either way, the promises are to be fulfilled. Just as it was for them, your decision, your alignment with the truth that you may think you know...is on you. So shall it be written.
The end of life, the passing of these bodies of flesh, is the end and the beginning for us all. With the exception of those "born again" referred to by Paul as "we who are alive and remain", who are the first resurrection, the firstfruits following Christ to pass from death to life while remaining in this world to continue the ministry of Christ as His body--as Paul also said, "for me, to live is Christ."
However, without complicating things with the exception of those born again--first understand that we all enter and leave this world--again as Paul said, "but each one in his own order." Start there, for what comes next will require (as Paul also said) "the renewing of your mind."
And then there is the nature of Time vs Eternity. From God's side of that equation, the only time that passes in heaven, is not time at all, but rather a dividing of "the light from the darkness", biblically referred to as "silence in heaven for half an hour." "Silence" because the Word went out from heaven (causing the "silence in heaven") into all the world. Which is simply a translation into worldly terms for elementary understanding for us while we remain on this worldly side of the equation, not fully aware of God's eternal perspective. Another such saying, is "a time, times, and half a time", breaking our side of the equation down into segments of time dividing "the light from the darkness."
All biblical.
But in answering the thread pole question, looking at the matter from both sides of the Time vs Eternity equation (as God does), it means we enter and leave this world "each one in his own order" or time--but enter heaven (the Kingdom of God)--together.
Now...I understand that none have ever heard or understood it this way--but that is the truth from God and His perspective--and these are the times in which He has promised to lead us "unto all truth" and that "the mystery of God would be finished." I also understand--and it would be good if you did as well--that every revelation from God that goes against the limited knowledge that was believed before, has been rejected. But we have been here before--before this they killed the prophets and even the most knowledgeable Priests of Jesus's time rejected what He said as crazy or demonic, as if He were a heretic, and they crucified Him. That was Israel. This time, it is our turn in the hot seat, our time to stop what we believe short and reject "all truth" as promised, or prove our full alignment with the Holy Spirit, and do better than those who went before us. Either way, the promises are to be fulfilled. Just as it was for them, your decision, your alignment with the truth that you may think you know...is on you. So shall it be written.
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Interestingly enough, the term for "Hell" Jesus usually used, Gehenna (in Hebrew, Gehinnom, the Valley of Hinnon), in rabbinic Judaism functions similar to Catholic Purgatory. It is not eternal, but has a one-year limitation. Whatever is left of a soul (if anything) after purification in Gehinnom moves on to the "World to Come".
Gehenna - Wikipedia
Taken
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Interestingly enough, the term for "Hell" Jesus usually used, Gehenna (in Hebrew, Gehinnom, the Valley of Hinnon), in rabbinic Judaism functions similar to Catholic Purgatory. It is not eternal, but has a one-year limitation. Whatever is left of a soul (if anything) after purification in Gehinnom moves on to the "World to Come".
Gehenna - Wikipedia
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Valley of Hinnon…Ancient, outside Jerusalem.
Place where trash was dumped from the city.
…
Gehenna / Hinnon, same place different Language spelling.
Also in ancient days, some who followed the teachings of human sacrifices, would at times hold their nighttime “human sacrifices of staking and burning humans alive”…in that valley.
The screams echoing into the city and “stench”… ( burning human flesh is a most horrific putrid smell)…
Gave the city dwellers, a sort of imaginative parallel as to what hell would be like….
Thus the comparison, when speaking of literal hell, that no one could actually see or smell or hear the torments.
Glory to God,
Taken
Taken
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John 11:25-26 KJV
25) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
26) And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
We continue to live.
Much love!
Ronald Nolette
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Their body goes to teh ground and rots ( or in teh sea) but the soul and regenerated spirit goes to be with teh Lord.
As Paul said: "yo be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord."
Dan Clarkston
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OK so make a case for what you believe from scripture.
You believe that based on what passages?
quietthinker
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What happens to faithful Christians when they die?
The big word is....are you listening?....HORRIZONTAL.....just like cows and chimpanzees. In fact, there are some stages after Horizontal. If nobody has noticed, here's the heads-up. A kind of stiffness comes on and if you leave it long enough, well, a twitching party begins....little white things; I dunno, rap or somfing similar which they have a rhythm to. Yup, corruption is doing its job, true and tested.It's a good thing there's a resurrection however. I know, I know, all you folks with disembodied spirits and souls floating around, yes, I mean floating, I s'pose around with Jesus the only one grounded with a body. What! He's gonna send you back to pick your new body up some time down the track? I guess You'll just have to settle on floating in the meanwhile (is it with an immaterial harp also?) hmmmmm.
Ok, jest aside, at least for those who can laugh at themselves and the wacky concepts programmed in many from childhood or popular opinion. Consider that the scripture is silent on the floating of disembodied spirits and souls waiting for their bodies. Strange hey? You'd think it had somfing to say about it. Maybe take the courage to look at what scripture is vocal about?
Now for the dyed in the wool traditionalists, will a charge of sacrilegious be thrown at me? All I can say is get over yourself. Jesus has got a sense of humour also!
Dan Clarkston
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Horizontal is listening to and accepting man's wisdom.
Vertical is is listening to and accepting GOD's wisdom.
Nope. No human spirits are floating around here on earth
People all leave here and either go north, or south.
Only for those who are ignorant of the whole counsel of God.
No, we'll just feel sorry for you seeing you don't know what's going on.
Yeah, he saw your post is rolled His eyes!
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