Why I hate the Bible... Or so they say?

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Any derogatory remarks about God (including the Son and Holy Spirit) will be removed. The same goes for remarks about Christianity. Do not hold the Bible to be the Word of God? We are not interested, then.

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Not the original post - that was about mis-use of Scripture and lack of knowledge about the history of the Bible.

Could be me? Pretty sure I said somewhere in there that I put the prophets above the other books.
 
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Not the original post - that was about mis-use of Scripture and lack of knowledge about the history of the Bible.

Could be me? Pretty sure I said somewhere in there that I put the prophets above the other books.
But look at the subsequent comments by St SteVen in this thread.

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Was the Bible (New Testament canon) God's idea?
(since he didn't NEED a book to communicate with us)
Did God hand Adam a KJV Bible to communicate?
Enoch? Noah? Abraham?

Some say it has God's fingerprints all over it, I say it has humankind's fingerprints all over it.
God never touched it.

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I use the Bible every day and appreciate it. Better than nothing, I suppose.

You say, "God has chosen the written word to convey His message to us."
There is no evidence, to my knowledge, that he did choose such.

Humankind depended on an oral tradition prior to things being written down.
And writing it down was probably a good idea, but probably a human idea.

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But look at the subsequent comments by St SteVen in this thread.

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Was the Bible (New Testament canon) God's idea?
(since he didn't NEED a book to communicate with us)
Did God hand Adam a KJV Bible to communicate?
Enoch? Noah? Abraham?

Some say it has God's fingerprints all over it, I say it has humankind's fingerprints all over it.
God never touched it.

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I use the Bible every day and appreciate it. Better than nothing, I suppose.

You say, "God has chosen the written word to convey His message to us."
There is no evidence, to my knowledge, that he did choose such.

Humankind depended on an oral tradition prior to things being written down.
And writing it down was probably a good idea, but probably a human idea.

END QUOTE
That all seems pretty reasonable to me? A little skeptical, but no lies detected
 
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Some say it has God's fingerprints all over it, I say it has humankind's fingerprints all over it.
God never touched it.
Do you have a link to that quote. I would love to add it to STV's Bible attacking resume'.
 

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I would say a hard core Bible defender is much more likely to get banned. Look at STV's hundreds of Bible attacking threads.
 

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But look at the subsequent comments by St SteVen in this thread.

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Was the Bible (New Testament canon) God's idea?
(since he didn't NEED a book to communicate with us)
Did God hand Adam a KJV Bible to communicate?
Enoch? Noah? Abraham?

Some say it has God's fingerprints all over it, I say it has humankind's fingerprints all over it.
God never touched it.

END QUOTE


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I use the Bible every day and appreciate it. Better than nothing, I suppose.

You say, "God has chosen the written word to convey His message to us."
There is no evidence, to my knowledge, that he did choose such.

Humankind depended on an oral tradition prior to things being written down.
And writing it down was probably a good idea, but probably a human idea.

END QUOTE
Thanks for your insightful contribution @Anchorite. I began listening to Bible readings while I was in the womb, and now in my 72nd year of mostly daily Bible reading, study, devotion, prayer, and worship, I have come to understand and appreciate why we have the written Word of God. I recall Bible College modules that went quite deeply into the logos and rhema, and also my time in Children's Ministry using visual aids to explain how we got our Bible. These days we have digital aids to teach those with ill-informed, cynical, or stilted views on the subject.

Examples:

Several people in Scripture were directly commanded by God to write His words, often with very specific instructions. Below is a clear, structured list of the strongest examples.



Key Biblical Instances Where God Explicitly Commanded Someone to Write​

1. Moses

  • Exodus 34:27 — God tells Moses: “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.” Bible Hub
  • Exodus 17:14 — God commands Moses to “write this for a memorial in the book” regarding Amalek. holybibleword.com
  • Deuteronomy 31:24 — Moses completes writing the entire law. Online Bible
Purpose: Covenant preservation, national memory, and authoritative law.

2. Joshua

  • Joshua 24:26 — Joshua “recorded these things in the Book of the Law of God.” Bible Hub
Purpose: Renewing and sealing the covenant for future generations.

3. Isaiah

  • Isaiah 30:8 — God commands: “Now go, write it before them on a tablet, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come.” biblerepository.com
Purpose: A permanent witness against the people’s rebellion.

4. Habakkuk

  • Habakkuk 2:2 — God says: “Write the vision and make it plain on tablets, that he may run who reads it.”
    Bible Hub holybibleword.com
Purpose: Clarity and public proclamation of God’s message.

5. Jeremiah

Purpose: Preservation of prophetic warnings and restoration promises.

6. John (Revelation)

  • Revelation 1:11 — The risen Christ commands John: “Write in a book everything you see, and send it to the seven churches.”
    Bible Hub biblerepository.com
Purpose: Delivering prophetic revelation to the churches.

7. Additional NT Writing Under Divine Commission


While not always phrased as direct “write this” commands, the New Testament affirms that:

  • Apostolic writings were produced under divine inspiration (e.g., 1 Corinthians 14:37 — Paul says his writings are “the Lord’s command”). Bible Hub
  • Luke intentionally writes an orderly account (Luke 1:3). Online Bible

Purpose: Authoritative testimony of Christ and instruction for the church.

Summary Table​


PersonPassageNature of CommandPurpose
MosesEx 17:14; 34:27; Dt 31:24Direct command to write laws & eventsCovenant, remembrance
JoshuaJosh 24:26Record covenant renewalHistorical & legal witness
IsaiahIsa 30:8Write on tablet & bookLong-term testimony
HabakkukHab 2:2Write vision plainlyPublic proclamation
JeremiahJer 30:2Write all God’s wordsPreservation of prophecy
JohnRev 1:11Write what he seesRevelation to churches
 

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But look at the subsequent comments by St SteVen in this thread.

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Was the Bible (New Testament canon) God's idea?
(since he didn't NEED a book to communicate with us)
Did God hand Adam a KJV Bible to communicate?
Enoch? Noah? Abraham?

Some say it has God's fingerprints all over it, I say it has humankind's fingerprints all over it.
God never touched it.

END QUOTE


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I use the Bible every day and appreciate it. Better than nothing, I suppose.

You say, "God has chosen the written word to convey His message to us."
There is no evidence, to my knowledge, that he did choose such.

Humankind depended on an oral tradition prior to things being written down.
And writing it down was probably a good idea, but probably a human idea.

END QUOTE
We pretty much need the scriptures to validate that what we hear is from God:

Isa 8:20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
 

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But look at the subsequent comments by St SteVen in this thread.

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Was the Bible (New Testament canon) God's idea?
(since he didn't NEED a book to communicate with us)
Did God hand Adam a KJV Bible to communicate?
Enoch? Noah? Abraham?

Some say it has God's fingerprints all over it, I say it has humankind's fingerprints all over it.
God never touched it.

END QUOTE


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I use the Bible every day and appreciate it. Better than nothing, I suppose.

You say, "God has chosen the written word to convey His message to us."
There is no evidence, to my knowledge, that he did choose such.

Humankind depended on an oral tradition prior to things being written down.
And writing it down was probably a good idea, but probably a human idea.

END QUOTE
Feel free to comment on what I have written. Thanks.
Welcome to the forum.
 
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But look at the subsequent comments by St SteVen in this thread.

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Was the Bible (New Testament canon) God's idea?
(since he didn't NEED a book to communicate with us)
Did God hand Adam a KJV Bible to communicate?
Enoch? Noah? Abraham?

Some say it has God's fingerprints all over it, I say it has humankind's fingerprints all over it.
God never touched it.

END QUOTE


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I use the Bible every day and appreciate it. Better than nothing, I suppose.

You say, "God has chosen the written word to convey His message to us."
There is no evidence, to my knowledge, that he did choose such.

Humankind depended on an oral tradition prior to things being written down.
And writing it down was probably a good idea, but probably a human idea.

END QUOTE
This mr steven you quoated , HE is a deconstructionist big time . very deadly indeed .
Men always t rying to down play the bible but acting like they Support said bible . THEY do not fool me my friend
but rather only themselves .
 

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Soon everybody will believe the Bible, even STV!
When every eye shall behold HIM on the DAY of THE LORD they shall indeed know and understand .
ONLY for the goats IT will be too late . And much wailing shall be heard from them on that Day .
Yes even the very lake of fire that many cliamed was a myth , THEY shall SEE with their own eyes
as they are cast ALIVE into it . T his is a real event my friend .
Its why we ought to have preached JESUS and not this univerisalism inclusivism fable . False hope does not save.
JESUS DO and HE SURELY WILL . But woe unto all who denied HIM . And WOE WOE WOE
unto all who used HIS NAME to pump a fable to the churches and the world . Oh it is clearly bible time in the building my friend .
For many are the hirelings and many are those who sat under such .
 

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This mr steven you quoated , HE is a deconstructionist big time . very deadly indeed .
Men always t rying to down play the bible but acting like they Support said bible . THEY do not fool me my friend
but rather only themselves .
It's good to see people are catching on to "mr steven"! I think he only convinces those who are already Bible attackers also.
 
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How can there be an Unorthodox forum without Satan's Bible attackers?
 

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Three worlds....

1. The World of the Spirit
2. The World of the Flesh
3. The World of the Devil

I have heard that the flesh and the devil are so akin it is hard to discern between the two of them. Outside of the world of the Spirit it is impossible to take delight in the Word of God.
 
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Any derogatory remarks about God (including the Son and Holy Spirit) will be removed. The same goes for remarks about Christianity. Do not hold the Bible to be the Word of God? We are not interested, then.

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But are you familiar with the concept of "the loyal opposition?"
 
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