TODAY IS NOT GOD'S GATHERING OF ISRAEL
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Spiritual Israelite
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Where does this say that we have a spiritual body inside of our natural body? Nowhere. Paul goes on to say that to be absent from the body is to be present with the Lord. That shows that you don't need a body to be present with the Lord.
LOL. Not at all. What did I say to lead you to ask this question? Looks like your reading comprehension skills are still terrible.
All whose names are not written in the book of life will be cast into the lake of fire and that is the second death (Revelation 20:14-15). But, Revelation 14:9-11 indicates they will experience eternal torment and will not be annihilated. Death is separation, not annihilation.
Nowhere did I say the spiritual body is not heavenly. Your reading comprehension skills are non-existent. That makes it impossible to have an adult discussion with you. You apparently never learned reading comprehension in school.
That 2 Corinthians 5:1 verse is plain as day that Paul is pointing to TWO separate body types, the one dissolved being a flesh body, and the other Paul said "we have", which is a building of God, not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. Can't get any more plain than that. Then the very next verse Paul says in this (flesh) body we groan, desiring to be clothed with our house (body) from heaven. With that 2nd verse Paul is pointing to our soul (our person) which is what is inside us that groans because it wants to be manifested with that body that's eternal in the heavens.
If you cannot get to that basic understanding from Apostle Paul, then the rest of that Chapter certainly is meaningless to you, and all other Bible Scripture on that subject.
Biblical Chronology and not on today's English understanding of what the Hebrew and Greek words for "Generation" means.
Spiritual Israelite
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In the heavens equates to inside our bodies to you? Can't get any more confused than that.
From heaven. Not from inside of us. Good grief.
Now, you're calling a soul a body. You just make things up. How do you live with yourself when you equate things you make up in your imagination with truth from scripture? You are so confused.
Paul would be laughing if he read your posts. You definitely are not understanding Paul at all.
I based my view of a generation being 70 years on Psalms 90:10.
What bible verse are you basing a generation being 1024 years ?
As I stated above you are basing your understanding on today's understanding of the English word "generation" which is vastly very different to the meaning that the original Hebrew and Greek text held. The time frames of history support my understanding, just as the scriptures do as well.
Now you well know that is a not... a valid idea.
The word "generation" in the Greek for Matthew 24:34 can mean the same thing it means to this day... either an age or era, or a people living at a certain time, etc. It requires recognizing how it is used (context) to determine which meaning it has...
NT:1074
genea (ghen-eh-ah'); from (a presumed derivative of) NT:1085; a generation; by implication, an age (the period or the persons):
KJV - age, generation, nation, time.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright © 1994, 2003, 2006, 2010 Biblesoft, Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
Matt 24:33-34
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
KJV
The context above by Lord Jesus? The generation that will "see all these things". What "things"? The Signs of the END leading up to His future coming that He gave there in His Olivet discourse. That clearly means the final generation living upon this earth that will literally see... Christ's 2nd coming.
Maybe you ought to stick with the actual Greek NT manuscript word 'genea' for "generation" instead of trying to supplant it with a Hebrew word.
Jay, I looked at the KJV with strong's numbers for Matthew 24:34. "generation" had as strong's number of G1074. Which referred to an age of persons.
Matthew 24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
People can't expect to live 1024 years. The normal life expectancy for a generation is 70 years is what Psalms 90:10 indicates.
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Also, Jay, what site are copying and pasting from ?
Davy, I also agree with you, however, how you are interpretating Matt 24:34 is not in keeping with what Jesus was stating in Matthew 24:34, If He had been referring to only the people who were alive at that time it would have been recorded with a very different Greek Word. Since "generation" and "age " are interchangeable I would suggest that Jesus was referring to the Seventh Age and what was going to transpire during that age/generation.
What time frame would see the following unfolding: -
Matt 24:15-31: - The Abomination of Desolation
15 “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand), 16 then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17 Let the one who is on the housetop not go down to take what is in his house, 18 and let the one who is in the field not turn back to take his cloak. 19 And alas for women who are pregnant and for those who are nursing infants in those days! 20 Pray that your flight may not be in winter or on a Sabbath. 21 For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, no, and never will be. 22 And if those days had not been cut short, no human being would be saved. But for the sake of the elect those days will be cut short. 23 Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or ‘There he is!’ do not believe it. 24 For false christs and false prophets will arise and perform great signs and wonders, so as to lead astray, if possible, even the elect. 25 See, I have told you beforehand. 26 So, if they say to you, ‘Look, he is in the wilderness,’ do not go out. If they say, ‘Look, he is in the inner rooms,’ do not believe it. 27 For as the lightning comes from the east and shines as far as the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28 Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather.
The Coming of the Son of Man
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he will send out his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
ESV
When will Satan be standing is the Holy Place? Not until the Little While Period at the end of the Seventh Age.So, the question that needs to be answered is, when will this take place? This will take place after the Bottomless Pit is Unlocked.
So, by your definition the people alive when Jesus gave this prophecy would have to be around 3,100 years old and we know that that is not true because God had ordained that mankind would not live for more than 120 years in total.
Oh well, such is life.
I am using the same source as Davy and both of you have come to the same wrong understanding.
I am asking you what site are copying and pasting this material from ? Provide a link.
Doesn't matter, he's trying to replace the Greek word for 'generation' with Hebrew instead, thus altering the Greek manuscript.
That's why some Jews try to claim the Book of Matthew was originally written in Hebrew or Aramaic, yet no Hebrew or Aramaic manuscript of the Book of Matthew has ever been found.
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