ScottA
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You said all that and missed the exception. Hint: It's in verse 20.
But again, you are omitting.
What exactly is ''resting'' on the Sabbath as to keeping it 'Holy'?
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But again, you are omitting.
LawofLove
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Our righteousness has to be greater than the Pharisees that's not an exception so not sure how you equated that. The Pharisees depended on their traditions of man over the commandments of God- Jesus quoting once again from the Ten Commandments as He did in Mat5:19-30 and Jesus condemned them for this as shown in Mat 15:1-14 Mark 7:7-13. Following that example, Jesus made clear by no means will enter heaven.
Seems like we are going in circles. I do not believe we will agree and that's OK- God will sort it all out in His time.
Take care.
PS95
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No offense- but no thanks. Trying to discuss the Sabbath with an SDA is akin to discussing the trinity or their made righteous by death nonsense with a JW- a waste of time. I don't find SDA's to be truthful on it anyway. You say you don't hinge salvation on keeping a certain day it- of course you do-
LawofLove
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We do not pluck out one of God's commandments when God didn't. Deut4:13 Exo20:6 Rev14:12 Sin is breaking the law of God 1John3:4, its never been about just one commandment. God does not look at breaking the 1st commandment as any different than breaking the 4th or the 9, its all sin James 2:10-12 Mat5:19-30. I know mainstream Christianity does not like to be reminded of this so they shoot the messenger. Its nothing new. 2Chron33:16 and what we were foretold Rev12:17
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ScottA
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The "exception" is--and what He was saying is--that doing the best to follow and keep the law and commandments--is not at all what "fulfills" them.
PS95
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AND here we go--- who said you think it's good to break the commandments? Now you are making stuff up. Again if you would only use your heart to hear the beauty of God's true Sabbath- which is rest in Christ.. but you refuse because you are SDA whose name alone says it all. I have no problem if you want to assemble on Saturday- but you are very mistaken to think that earns favor with God. His provision for our rest is Christ.
Aint nobody shot the messenger- persecution complexes are common among the I'm in the one & only true church groups.- everyone is after me... No thanks. Now- you want to end this with me- I want to with you.
LawofLove
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This is where we need to go back to Scripture. What was Jesus quoting when He said this? Again, its OT.
There is no Scripture because God gives us rest that we can profane the 4th commandment- keeping it the way God said. Jesus plainly said not a jot or tittle can pass from the commandments yet alone an entire commandment. God wants us to both physically rest from our works Exo 20:10 so we can rest in Him keeping holy what God made for us. Exo20:8-11 Mark 2:27-28 so He can bless Isa56:2 and sanctify us Eze20:12 because we can't do this ourselves Isa66:17
Grailhunter
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Some of these are basic morals that carried over to Christianity, but for the commandments and law....
During Yeshua's ministry they were still in the Old Covenant and required to observe the 613 Mosaic Laws until He passed on the cross and the New Covenant.
As Paul explained many times, Christians are not bound by the Jewish Law.
PS95
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Wowee- lol You are NOT listening. I've said repeatedly no one is profaning a thing. It's obvious you are not reading my replies- you're stuck on repeat. I don't need to be reminded of why I don't discuss this with SDAs- you are the perfect example.-
Good day.
Oh come on , Jesus was not teaching the 613, mostly the Ten Commandments and He explained them all. don't mix things up the covenant is the 10 commandments, perpetual and Forever. the law of Moses was added for the Israelites because they constantly disobeyed and had a Stiff neck. I urge you to go back to scripture and stop propagating the 613 that CANNOT be followed today. we are bound by the New Covenant the Ten Commandments read Jer 31:31-33 we keep them because we Love God but not like the pharisees that added to them Jesus was clear about this and explained it all.
LawofLove
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Please quote the number 613 in Scripture.
This is what God said:
Deut 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.
God both wrote and spoke Ten Commandments. Exo31:18 and added No More Deut 5:22
And this is who God said they are for:
“but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments” — Exodus 20:6 (NKJV)
The group we should all strive to be in
“Here is the patience of the saints; here are those who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus” — Revelation 14:12 (NKJV)
Its not that the God of the Bible is not clear in His word- its a matter if we trust Him at His word and not try to change it to suit our life but change our life to suit His will.
Grailhunter
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As far as the "Commandments" Yahweh did not call the 10 laws in chapter 20 of Exodus Commandments. They are summaries of the 613 Mosaic Laws. And Yahweh never told Moses to write them on the Tablets. And they include some basic morals but Christians do not have restrictions on engraved images (you are looking at some now) Christians do not keep the Jewish Saturday Sabbath and our wives are not included in our property.
The Laws that Yahweh called the Ten Commandments and had Moses write them on the Tablets of the Testimony are in Exodus 34:10-28 And they are still Jewish Laws.
Grailhunter
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Notice you quote mostly Old Testament scriptures where as I quote New Testament scriptures. Christians are in the New Covenant with God.
2nd Corinthians 3:7-8 But if the ministry of death, in letters engraved on stones, came with glory, so that the sons of Israel could not look intently at the face of Moses because of the glory of his face, fading as it was, how will the ministry of the Spirit fail to be even more with glory?
Galatians 3:12 “Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us.....”
Galatians 3:1-5 You foolish Galatians! Who has bewitched you? Before your very eyes Jesus Christ was clearly portrayed as crucified. I would like to learn just one thing from you: Did you receive the Spirit by the works of the law, or by believing what you heard? Are you so foolish? After beginning by means of the Spirit, are you now trying to finish by means of the flesh? Have you experienced so much in vain—if it really was in vain? So again I ask, does God give you his Spirit and work miracles among you by the works of the law, or by your believing what you heard?
Galatians 5:4 You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen from grace.
1st Corinthians 9:20 “And to the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might win Jews; to those who are under the Law, as under the Law, through not being myself under the Law, that I might win those who are under the Law;”
Romans 4:15 “for the Law brings about wrath, but where there is no law, neither is there violation.”
Romans 6:14 “For sin shall no longer be your master, because you are not under the law, but under grace.”
Romans 8:2 “For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath me free from the law of sin and death.”
Romans 7:6 “But now we are released from the law, having died to that which held us captive, so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit and not in the old way of the written code.”
Romans 7:8 “But sin, taking opportunity through the commandment, produced in me coveting of every kind; for apart from the Law sin is dead.”
2nd Corinthians 3:3 “being manifested that you are a letter of Christ, cared for by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God, not on tablets of stone, but on tablets of human hearts.”
This follows Paul’s statement saying You foolish Galatians, who has bewitched you….
Galatians 4:21 “Tell me, you who want to be under the law, do you not listen to the law?”
Galatians 3:10 “For all who rely on works of the law are under a curse; for it is written, “Cursed be everyone who does not abide by all things written in the Book of the Law, and do them.”
Galatians 3:24-25 Therefore the Law has become our tutor to lead us to Christ, so that we may be justified by faith. But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Galatians 5:18 “But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under the law.”
Galatians 2:16 “Yet we know that a person is not justified by works of the law but through faith in Jesus Christ, so we also have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the law, because by works of the law no one will be justified.”
Galatians 2:21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Hebrews 8:13 “In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.”
Romans 3:20 For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.
Matthew 22:36-40 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And He said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the great and foremost commandment. The second is like it, ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ On these two commandments depend the whole Law and the Prophets.” Christ said this while the Old Covenant was still in effect, but still true.
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LawofLove
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Not according to Scripture God personally wrote His own commandments and claimed them as His Exo20:6 in a unit of Ten, not 9 or 613.
Deu 4:13 So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He (God) wrote them on two tablets of stone.
Exo 34:28 So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exo 32:16 Now the tablets were the work of God, and the writing was the writing of God engraved on the tablets.
Deu 5:22 "These words the LORD spoke to all your assembly, in the mountain from the midst of the fire, the cloud, and the thick darkness, with a loud voice; and He added no more. And He wrote them on two tablets of stone and gave them to me.
Exo 31:18 And when He had made an end of speaking with him on Mount Sinai, He gave Moses two tablets of the Testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
And in this unit of Ten that God added no more God said who they are for:
“but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments” — Exodus 20:6 (NKJV)
The law of Moses was written by Moses on paper in a book was added because of sin Gal3:19 for breaking the Ten Commandments, the law of God what sits under God's mercy seat that His blood atones for Exo25:21 Rev11:19
Why its still a sin to break the law of God even in the NT breaking one we break them all and become a transgressor of the law. 1 John3:4 James 2:10-12 Mat5:19-30
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LawofLove
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Jesus quoted OT for the greatest commandments and love to God always came with keeping His commandments- Love never went undefined God plainly wrote it out for us. Why His name is in each of the commandments on how to love Him. Jesus never deleted the OT He said mankind should live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God quoting OT Mat4:4
All the NT verses are taken out of context and I do not use Paul to correct God.
For example what law is Paul quoting in Galatians. There are lots of laws - is Paul teaching that only worshipping God of Creation Exo20:11 Rev14:7 written in the Ten Commandments we are not led by the Spirit when the Holy Spirit wrote the Ten Commandments and than placed the law of God in the hearts and minds of NV believers.
Grailhunter
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Grailhunter
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unless I am mistaken you mentionned you were a theologian? many many do not understand what Paul said you are one of them. I have no time or the will to teach you, a theologian. please refer to different commentaries and see where you err. I will grant you only One explanation for now of the verses you put forth but you will not listen , but I still offer.
LawofLove
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You claimed 613 commandments and Moses wrote the Ten Commandments and when I showed you by Scripture that's not true you disregard because its OC Scripture. I hate to break it to you but the God of the OT is the same God of the NT. Jesus is the Great I AM John 8:58 God does not change Mal 3:5 Heb13:8
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