Why did Jesus pray to himself?

[NayborBear]

Matthew 26:39
And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”

I've wondered the same thing myself with some (so called) believers RC?
Although, they say with their lips differently?
They certainly DON'T behave that way!

 

[NayborBear]

Matthew 26:39
And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”

I've wondered the same thing myself with some (so called) believers RC?
Although, they say with their lips differently?
They certainly DON'T behave that way!

 

[GRACE ambassador]

But I could never understand how Jesus can be God.

Precious friend, even if we cannot understand The Triune GodHead, we should still believe
All Scripture, Correct?:

163 Reasons Jesus Christ Is Almighty God!

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And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

 

[Justified]

This is the most nonsensical post that I have ever read AS IF two things can't be true at the same time. God is love AND Jesus was a man appointed according to Scripture.

Better critical thinking skills would allow you to see the problems with your response. First, I have not once argued that Jesus wasn’t a man appointed by God; and I wouldn’t. Second, you would see that you have done the very thing you (falsely) think I have done. You are denying that Jesus can’t be both truly God and truly man at the same time.

Of course, it seems that you missed the entire point of my post, namely, that if God is a single person, then he cannot be love, by definition; love cannot be intrinsic to his nature as John says it is. Any unitarian view of God, therefore, is deficient and cannot be the God of the Bible.

 

[Wrangler]

Any unitarian view of God, therefore, is deficient

There is nothing to support the "therefore." This is circular and repeating nonsense does not make it make sense. You write as though you are very confident but the words lack any coherent meaning. Make a blessed day. I'll gracefully bow out of this conversation with you.

 

[Armour of God]

Precious friend, even if we cannot understand The Triune GodHead, we should still believe
All Scripture, Correct?:

163 Reasons Jesus Christ Is Almighty God!

-----
And, precious friend(s), Please Be Very Richly Encouraged and Edified
In The Lord Jesus Christ and In His Precious Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided:

The Bible: The BIG Picture

Amen.

The way I understand it now, as someone explained it to me, is that the father and son are two different beings with the same nature. Would you agree?

 

[PS95]

The way I understand it now, as someone explained it to me, is that the father and son are two different beings with the same nature. Would you agree?

God the Father is a different "person" from His Son. The Son is of the Father- they share the same essence or nature.
Look at it this way- if I had a candle lit and I lit another candle- the flame is the same. The flame is not new or created. This is similar to the concept of God from God- Light from light-Fire from fire . Think of the flame as the essence.- same "stuff"! God is eternal and His Son is exactly like Him being of Him.
Here is where it got sticky--This- if taken literally-- happened before time existed in eternity. The Word was with God in the beginning- before time. Before anything was created.
Trinitarians do not take that as literally happening in time. Arians did- and that was their stupid fight. created vs begotten..
What comes out from God is God. God's Son- Same nature/essence as His Father- One God in 3 persons- F, S, HS.
Jesus stated that He came out from God more than once... People seem to ignore that and blow it off as if He meant He was sent- but Jesus said both in one sentence on several occasions which makes no sense if He only meant sent.

You wont hear much about what I just wrote you- Idk why other than people do not know church history. I nutshelled it for you very simply. There it is- believe it or don't.
I think that details are things people love to argue over. I do worship Jesus as my Lord & Savior. If He is not worthy of your worship- then He can't be God.
I'm not interested in arguing with Uni's or know it alls.

 

[Jack]

Matthew 26:39
And going a little farther he fell on his face and prayed, saying, “My Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as you will.”

Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct! Jesus did not pray to Himself. He clearly prayed to the Father! God spoke to Himself in the OT. Why can't He now? Just as He sent Himself in the flesh. Man was made in His image according to His likeness. Don't you ever talk to yourself?

 

[Justified]

There is nothing to support the "therefore."

And yet you haven't even tried to engage with my argument. Why is that? You can make your claim all you want, but until you at least attempt to address what I've written, it just looks like you want to think you're right without any basis.

This is circular and repeating nonsense does not make it make sense.

Prove that it's circular. Show, exactly, how it is nonsense and that it doesn't make sense.

What about John's claim that "God is love" doesn't make sense to you? Is it that you don't understand what love truly is? I stated that the highest form of love, which we should expect from God who is infinite and perfect in all his attributes, including love, is action toward another or others. A person can say they love someone all they want, but unless their actions show otherwise, those words are hollow.

Joh 15:13 Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends.

Do you disagree with Jesus? If that is the greatest love one person can show another, then what should we be expect from the One who is love in its perfection?

You write as though you are very confident but the words lack any coherent meaning.

They are quite coherent. You don't like them because they prove your god is not the God of the Bible, but that's on you. Your god has to create in order to love someone other than himself and therefore cannot actually be love. You are the one who argued to something I wasn't arguing, while ignoring the problems with your own claims. I sincerely hope that one day you'll learn proper critical thinking skills.

Make a blessed day. I'll gracefully bow out of this conversation with you.

Okay.

 

[Wrangler]

And yet you haven't even tried to engage with my argument.

Argument. Assertion. Not the same thing. You haven’t made an argument.

 

[TitusTwoWife]

You have no clue what you're talking about nor did any of the other countless fools who have pretended to know the unknowable and preached about it.

You show me someone who claims to know and fully understand God, Jesus, the Holy Spirit, and their intricate relationship with one another and I'll show you an arrogant fool.

Does this mean you believe the answer to your question is unknowable? Why did you create this thread?

I'm not assuming anything. I'd just like to know your thoughts.

 

[Anchorite]

Does this mean you believe the answer to your question is unknowable? Why did you create this thread?

I'm not assuming anything. I'd just like to know your thoughts.

He asks a question, then he gets angry at me for trying to provide an answer, calling me an arrogant fool?

So, yes, it seems like he thinks his question has no answer! His mind is already made up.

 

[Jack]

God gave us all we need to know about Him in the Bible. MANY 'Christians' are too lazy to STUDY God's Word! They sit in church and think that's all they need to do to be saved! Many will get a RUDE awakening!

 

[TitusTwoWife]

He asks a question, then he gets angry at me for trying to provide an answer, calling me an arrogant fool?

So, yes, it seems like he thinks his question has no answer! His mind is already made up.

I don't want to assume what his motives are. Will you do me a big favor and forgive and be as patient as you can with RepentingChristian? I believe he really is a decent and kind person but his sense of frustration may get the better of him at times.

 

[Justified]

Argument. Assertion. Not the same thing. You haven’t made an argument.

That is an assertion that shows you either don't know what an argument is or you're being dishonest. I have clearly made an argument, but I'll put it in syllogistic form:

P1 God has always existed
P2 God is perfect in all his attributes
C1 Therefore, God's attributes have always been expressed perfectly

P3 One of God's attributes is that he is love (love is a part of his nature--1 John 4:8, 16; it is actual)
P4 The highest form of love of is action of one towards another (John 3:16; 15:13)
P5 There was and is only one, true, living God
C2 Therefore, for God to actually be love, the one, true, living God must ontologically exist (prior to creation) as at least two "persons"

P6 A unitarian (one-person/monad) view of God means there was no other to love prior to creation
P7 Such a god has to create another in order to love--love is only potential, not actual
C3 Therefore, a unitarian view of God means God cannot actually be love and such a god cannot be the God of the Bible

Which premise(s) do you agree or disagree with?

 

[PeterAndroz]

Romans 8
9However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him. 10If Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is alive because of righteousness. 11But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.

Let the verses be the teacher

 

[Wrangler]

You show me someone who claims to know and fully understand ... and I'll show you an arrogant fool.

Not a very humble post there my friend. Expanding your point generally, it naturally follows that no one is qualified to teach on ANY subject. Something is wrong with your world view but more concerning is the apparent anger, vitriol you seem to have about it.

Recently, I've thought about all my teachers going back to elementary school, the effort they put into their career, how they personally helped me. That's quite the comparison to your sentiment as I'm sure that no teacher EVER on any subject had perfect knowledge of the subject he or she was teaching on.

Now, with respect to Jesus praying, one must concede the reason for him to pray is the same as anyone else, we're lacking something. (As you know, pray means to ask.) While we don't know the content of all Jesus prayers, we do know some. And these specific prayers were asking God the Father. Sure, he asked to submit to God's will but in John 17, I believe is the real Lord's Prayer, the passionate desperation shows through, concern for his friends. (He says there in verse 3 that he is praying to the only true God). And in v8 he says the words God gave him, he gave to his friends, And in v17, he says his God's words are true. All this builds to the climax of v20, where he says, "I ask not only on behalf of these (friends) but also on behalf of those who will believe in me through their word , that they may all be as one as you are in me and I am in you. That unity is quite the prayer, unity of current and future believers. Are you united?

What does our lord say? Matt 5:22 And if you call someone a fool, you will be in danger of the fire of hell. Be careful my friend.

 

[Jack]

The way I understand it now, as someone explained it to me, is that the father and son are two different beings with the same nature. Would you agree?

From the CYB Statement of Faith: "We believe that God is the Creator, Sustainer, and Ruler of the universe. We attest that God has eternally existed in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. These three are co-equal and are one God. (Genesis 1:1, 26-27, Genesis 3:22, Deuteronomy 6:4, Psalm 90:2, John 1:1, John 10:30, Romans 3:30, II Corinthians 13:14, I Peter 1:2)"

 

[TitusTwoWife]

@RepentingChristian

Have you left us? I hope you come back.

 

[NayborBear]

Seeing what is not there is a common human experience.

See 'some sort' of trinity? To answer your question, what you've presented is nothing like the doctrine of the trinity. To be clear, when I write that the trinity is not found anywhere in Scripture, I mean that neither the word nor the concept of the trinity is in the Bible – explicitly or implicitly. To avoid the inevitable Appeal to Strawman, there simply is no verse that reads something like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & Holy Spirit who are co-equal, co-substantial and co-eternal - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever. If there were such a verse, it would be the most quoted verse in Scripture by those who claim one’s salvation depends on believing it. The concept of the trinity is so important that in 66 books, it is not mentioned once! Yet, trinitarians act as though it is the central message of Scripture!

Well Actually Wrangler? It IS mentioned, but not "labelled" or called "Trinity."
The "moniker trinity" if you will, was placed by and further taught that this is the way one should refer to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit?
By "men!"
Matthew 28:19

Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the NAME of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit:

But as far as the "WORD" Trinity goes? You'd be correct.